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Refugees in Germany

kilroy_is_here — Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:48:00 GMT

do the refugees in Germany not realise that they are playing with fire , by aggressively flooding Germany's boarders and acting up once there , do they not realise that they are playing into the hands of the Neo nazi's, do they not remember history , ifear for the world if the average German be comes disenfranchised and angry as the nazi movement is long way from dead. History has shown and continues to show that what has been before can be again

Re: Refugees in Germany

icyfroth — Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:00:17 GMT

@kilroy_is_here wrote:
do the refugees in Germany not realise that they are playing with fire , by aggressively flooding Germany's boarders and acting up once there , do they not realise that they are playing into the hands of the Neo nazi's, do they not remember history , ifear for the world if the average German be comes disenfranchised and angry as the nazi movement is long way from dead. History has shown and continues to show that what has been before can be again

The neo-nazis are pretty powerless. look how quickly the Pegida movement faded away in the face of opposition from the rest of the German population.

They can burn down a few refugee centres, maybe, start up a few riots, but unless the German government drastically changes, they'll be easily overpowered.

Re: Refugees in Germany

k0llectable5 — Tue, 15 Sep 2015 22:35:32 GMT

@kilroy_is_here wrote:
do the refugees in Germany not realise that they are playing with fire , by aggressively flooding Germany's boarders and acting up once there , do they not realise that they are playing into the hands of the Neo nazi's, do they not remember history , ifear for the world if the average German be comes disenfranchised and angry as the nazi movement is long way from dead. History has shown and continues to show that what has been before can be again

What exactly are you insinuating? That all Germans are somehow sympathetic to the nazi movement and ready to go all "Hitler" on the refugees as soon as they make one wrong move? Germans have been portrayed as evil for too long, they deserve the right to be disenfranchised with the refugee crisis that is affecting their country (as do all the western nations' people that have and are being impacted by this) Being a nationalist is not synonomous with being a nazi or white supremecist. If you care about the traditions and culture of your country and want to preserve these things for your grandchildren does not make you evil and unsympathetic to the struggles of the middle eastern peoples. And if these refugees are "acting up" then the people of Germany have every right to be skeptical of the immigration/refugee policies imposed by their government.

Re: Refugees in Germany

bluecat*dancing — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 00:23:11 GMT

Its just more bashing of desperate people by those who are exhausted by fear, uncertainty, homelessness, trauma, loss etc.

Oh, wait........

Re: Refugees in Germany

bluecat*dancing — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 00:26:12 GMT

Oh, and I best tell my German friends that deep down, they are Nazis and it will be the fault of refugees if their inner nazi is released.

I have a German uncle, I best let him know, too.

Re: Refugees in Germany

lal-au0 — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 00:42:32 GMT

@kilroy_is_here wrote:
do the refugees in Germany not realise that they are playing with fire , by aggressively flooding Germany's boarders and acting up once there , do they not realise that they are playing into the hands of the Neo nazi's, do they not remember history , ifear for the world if the average German be comes disenfranchised and angry as the nazi movement is long way from dead. History has shown and continues to show that what has been before can be again

the emergence of the 4. Reich is as likely as australians mounting horses and hunting aborigines like deer.

Re: Refugees in Germany

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 00:52:26 GMT

@kilroy_is_here wrote:
do the refugees in Germany not realise that they are playing with fire , by aggressively flooding Germany's boarders and acting up once there , do they not realise that they are playing into the hands of the Neo nazi's, do they not remember history , ifear for the world if the average German be comes disenfranchised and angry as the nazi movement is long way from dead. History has shown and continues to show that what has been before can be again

this has been a hot topic over there.

Germany's refugee inferno: A disturbing dispatch with dark echoes of the past as the nation divides over the influx of foreigners

In the three-storey house in the neat village of Gerstungen, the smell of smoke and charred wood hangs heavy in the air. Shards of broken glass crunch beneath my feet and police stickers across the door warn against entry.

Just hours before, in the early hours of Friday morning, arsonists firebombed the empty building – shortly after its owner revealed he had offered it as a home for some of the 800,000 refugees pouring into Germany this year.

Such extreme violence feels at odds with the respectable rural village, filled with lovingly tended gardens, duck ponds and carefree children on bikes enjoying the late summer sun.

But this was just the latest in a series of vicious assaults on refugees and sinister arson attacks on their housing that reveal the dark side of German generosity towards the world’s refugees.

This year there have been 306 attacks on refugee accommodations – 46 of them torchings such as the one I witnessed in the eastern state of Thuringia. Nine of them have been in the past fortnight alone.

This is already four times the number last year, itself a threefold rise on 2013. There have also been attacks on buses of refugees and Syrians fleeing civil war. Recent victims include teenagers beaten with bottles, kicked to the ground and even urinated on in a train.

Shockingly, they show how the resurgent far-Right is exploiting the fears of many Germans over the influx of foreigners in such numbers, with incendiary talk of civil war. One neo-Nazi source even told me they were running secret military-style exercises with firearms.

It is plain a majority of Germans support Chancellor Angela Merkel’s decision to accept refugees in such high numbers. Recent arrivals have been greeted warmly with welcoming banners, food and hugs. Ministers predict the country may take another 500,000 annually over the next few years and have challenged other European nations, especially Britain, to display similar resolve.

Yet the cowardly attacks, bigots and fascists show another side to the story – and they are a chilling echo from the nation’s past, as I discovered arriving at Gerstungen less than one hour after passing the site of the former Buchenwald concentration camp.

The village of about 3,000 people currently hosts 160 refugees, housed in a seedy centre that greets visitors with a warning against xenophobia. These numbers will rise – and one after another, residents showed sympathy for the aims, if not the actions, of the bombers.

Heike, 52, a mother of two who, like others, urged me not to use her last name, claimed the mood in the village was tense after a series of break-ins blamed on refugees. ‘There are too many single men and there is nothing for them to do,’ she said.

Stefanie, a 34-year-old housewife and former casino worker, said she felt ‘uncomfortable’ amid so many foreigners and afraid even in her own house. ‘The village is going down the river. We go out to work but they come here and do nothing.’

She fears tensions between factions with opposing views on refugees may explode in Germany. ‘In this village, the divisions are getting worse and worse. It is very sad,’ she said.

Werner Hartung, Gerstungen’s mayor, rapidly condemned the attackers for hurting those most in need, while at the refugee centre I found a young couple unloading a car filled with clothes and toys for the mainly Syrian residents there.

The attacks are taking place across Germany. Recently, incendiary bombs were hurled at a new shelter in Berlin; a hostel in nearby Nauen was destroyed just before 130 asylum-seekers moved in; and a fire injured five people and forced the evacuation of 80 refugees from a unit in Baden-Württemberg.

There have also been threats to behead a conservative politician backing a new centre, while a mayor was forced out after a hate campaign over his support for refugees.

Last month, protesters shouting ‘Foreigners out’ attacked asylum-seekers arriving in a town near Dresden. Last week, a 14-year-old Syrian refugee in Potsdam was punched in the face and kicked on the ground.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3232234/Germany-s-refugee-inferno-disturbing-dispatch-dark-echoes-past-nation-divides-influx-foreigners.html

Re: Refugees in Germany

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 00:56:26 GMT

this is also very interesting

The small eastern German town of Heidenau made headlines, as several hundred supporters of the far-right National Democratic Party shouted "Heil Hitler" and clashed with police at anti-refugee riots last weekend. It also highlighted a continuing divide between Germany's east and west.

Once a typical, industrial town in the communist German Democratic Republic (GDR), where machine plants went bankrupt after the reunification, Heidenau has now become a symbol of the recent wave of neo-Nazi hatred and violence sweeping Germany. German Chancellor Angela Merkel traveled to Heidenau on Wednesday to condemn the violence and was greeted with boos as she stepped out of her car. One protester held a poster reading “Traitor” that was directed at the chancellor.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/29/the-migrant-crisis-is-dividing-germany-all-over-again/

Re: Refugees in Germany

kilroy_is_here — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:08:10 GMT

No country is immune , every country is 1 crisis and 1 charismatic leader away from ethnic cleansing , including Australia , to believe otherwise is dangerous , you don't need to be evil to commit an evil act , you only need to be caught put in the whirlwind

Re: Refugees in Germany

kilroy_is_here — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:26:43 GMT

The big problem with some of you is you look to the individual that you know or to the good you see in any country , in both Germany under Hitler and in Cambodia under pol pot there were thousands of good people , none of whom were able to stop the momentum many thousands payed with their lives in tiring to do so, is Germany evil not at all , is Germany an more likely to go down that path than any other, I don't know ask the Syrians if they expected Isis to drive them from their country , the one thing I do know is the nazi movement didn't end with the loss of the war , even if we don't see the wholesale slaughter we saw under hitler we will see an increase in attacks on refugees if the flooding of Germany continues and yes it will be under the banner of nazi pride

Re: Refugees in Germany

moonflyte — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:32:03 GMT

We can expect this to happen when uncontrolled migrants invade your country then riot because they have not got what they want.

I love the German people and they have been burdened for decades with the guilt of Hitler but that's no reason for Merkel to open up a coountry to social upheaval and hotbeds of resentment, we can all sypmpathise with the German people.

Merkle has made a mistake of huge proportions and now she's trying to close the gate, too late.

Re: Refugees in Germany

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:32:24 GMT

@bluecat*stopsdancing wrote:
Oh, and I best tell my German friends that deep down, they are Nazis and it will be the fault of refugees if their inner nazi is released.
I have a German uncle, I best let him know, too.

are they currently in germany?

Re: Refugees in Germany

azureline** — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 02:14:17 GMT

My niece and her family (dual citizenship) are currently living in Germany, she believes that the German people are doing it for all the right reasons but also feel they have such a lot of guilt to try and overcome.

Re: Refugees in Germany

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 03:20:42 GMT

what's your opinion on merkel's response

to the refugee crisis?

(was it you who expressed support for

pegida?)

Re: Refugees in Germany

bimberiretrosystems — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 03:32:22 GMT

this is truly frightening-

http://news360.com/article/311820821#

Re: Refugees in Germany

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 03:43:47 GMT

Lebanese minister warns of IS fighters posing as refugees

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/29528394/lebanese-minister-warns-of-is-fighters-posing-as-refugees/

Re: Refugees in Germany

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 03:47:39 GMT

@bimberiretrosystems wrote:
this is truly frightening-

http://news360.com/article/311820821#

http://m.snopes.com/isis-flag-refugees-germany/

The incident captured in the image (a protest by Muslims over a far right political group’s announced plans to display caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad) took place in Germany in May 2012. As such, the photograph could not also depict ISIS fighters who infiltrated Germany among a wave of Syrian refugees in the latter part of 2015.

Re: Refugees in Germany

bluecat*dancing — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 04:24:24 GMT

Yes, some are.

Re: Refugees in Germany

j*oono — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:32:41 GMT

@bimberiretrosystems wrote:
this is truly frightening-

http://news360.com/article/311820821#

'Isis flag' picture that claims to show refugees attacking police goes viral — and is a lie

Re: Refugees in Germany

kilroy_is_here — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:49:45 GMT

Isis operatives are not going to walk into a country waving a flag , they will go in quietly and strike when they are well prepared at a time that will provide maximum effect