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Turkey shoots down Russian jet fighter

ecar3483 — Tue, 24 Nov 2015 11:23:49 GMT

Tuesday, November 24th

The fighter jet of my enemy's friend is....

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-24/turkey-shoots-down-jet-near-syrian-border/6970776

As the story evolves, it's only going to become more and more labyrinthine.

Re: Turkey shoots down Russian jet fighter

kopenhagen5 — Tue, 24 Nov 2015 11:30:58 GMT

Pure misunderstanding I feel.

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the_great_she_elephant — Tue, 24 Nov 2015 11:44:55 GMT

One would hope so, but the whole thing is such a godawful mess it's hard to know who is supporting whom. any longer.

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tezza2844 — Tue, 24 Nov 2015 20:41:18 GMT

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
One would hope so, but the whole thing is such a godawful mess it's hard to know who is supporting whom. any longer.

This has been posted on another earlier thread:

Are you confused by what is going on in the Middle East? We support the Iraqi government in the fight against ISIS. We don’t like ISIS, but ISIS is supported by Saudi Arabia who we do like.

We don’t like Assad in Syria. We support the fight against him, but ISIS is also fighting against him. We don’t like Iran, but Iran supports the Iraqi government in its fight against ISIS.

So some of our friends support our enemies, some enemies are now our friends, and some of our enemies are fighting against our other enemies, who we want to lose, but we don’t want our enemies who are fighting our enemies to win.

If the people we want to defeat are defeated, they could be replaced by people we like even less. And all this was started by us invading a country to drive out terrorists who were not actually there until we went in to drive them out. It's quite simple, really.

Do you understand now?

Re: Turkey shoots down Russian jet fighter

the_great_she_elephant — Wed, 25 Nov 2015 01:29:45 GMT

Yep, it's all as clear as mud. How could I possibly have been confused. Thanks Tezza. or should that be ?

Re: Turkey shoots down Russian jet fighter

icyfroth — Wed, 25 Nov 2015 01:55:53 GMT

Turkey shoots down Russian jet fighter

Sorry... I know it's not a laughing matter but...

when I first read that title a vision of a turkey shooting down a plane flashed by me.

Re: Turkey shoots down Russian jet fighter

Anonymous — Wed, 25 Nov 2015 02:07:11 GMT

gruesome video has been released

with the body of one of the pilots

surrounded by the rebels yelling

allahu akbar

Re: Turkey shoots down Russian jet fighter

amber-eyed-girl — Wed, 25 Nov 2015 03:12:26 GMT

No, Kopes...things don't really add up. 10 warnings in five minutes, when the jet could not have been in Turkish airspace for more than eight seconds, if at all. Ethnically, the border Syrians are Turks. Turkey is becoming less moderate, and might feel that Syrian oil, and a little bit more land might be nice here. The jet, would have been bombing those Turkey feels are Turks. Not Syrians.

Putin has called this a stab in the back. Turkey, will have known (as we all do) the purpose of the flight. At this point I can't blame Putin for being aggrieved.

Right now, I am genuinely concerned this will broaden.

Re: Turkey shoots down Russian jet fighter

worldwarsoon — Wed, 25 Nov 2015 04:46:59 GMT

@kopenhagen5 wrote:
Pure misunderstanding I feel.

lol

Re: Turkey shoots down Russian jet fighter

worldwarsoon — Wed, 25 Nov 2015 04:48:38 GMT

@amber-eyed-girl wrote:
No, Kopes...things don't really add up. 10 warnings in five minutes, when the jet could not have been in Turkish airspace for more than eight seconds, if at all. Ethnically, the border Syrians are Turks. Turkey is becoming less moderate, and might feel that Syrian oil, and a little bit more land might be nice here. The jet, would have been bombing those Turkey feels are Turks. Not Syrians.

Putin has called this a stab in the back. Turkey, will have known (as we all do) the purpose of the flight. At this point I can't blame Putin for being aggrieved.

Right now, I am genuinely concerned this will broaden.

Why are you concerned?I mean I warned here almost 6 years ago.I know it was a big joke and I was entitled to the hurtful and hateful remarks.But I still told you it was coming.

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amber-eyed-girl — Wed, 25 Nov 2015 05:01:05 GMT

Whoever you told it wasn't me. I wasn't posting six years ago...neither do I make a habit of posting hurtful remarks. Address your point to whoever you feel you have a greivance against. If they are still around now. If you feel entitled to an apology.

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worldwarsoon — Wed, 25 Nov 2015 05:10:38 GMT

@amber-eyed-girl wrote:
Whoever you told it wasn't me. I wasn't posting six years ago...neither do I make a habit of posting hurtful remarks. Address your point to whoever you feel you have a greivance against. If they are still around now. If you feel entitled to an apology.

I told you all on this site for the last 6 years.Now run along and get me banned.WW3 is VERY VERY SOON.The DATES are in the Holy Bible.I know it is a big joke to you people but as I said years ago ,in the end I will be the one having the last laugh.

I CANNOT wait for ww3.And it turns nuclear.But you people hate the Bible and from DAY ONE when I tried to have a conversation I was attacked relentlessly on this forum.

ALL of you.Your lives are about to change.This is the judgment of the God you deny and mock.

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amber-eyed-girl — Wed, 25 Nov 2015 05:15:36 GMT

find whoever you wish to take this up with, and discuss it. Good luck.

personally I don't know who you are, or care who you are (in terms of banning). Your opinions if expressed with courtesy are as valid as anyone's.

Re: Turkey shoots down Russian jet fighter

worldwarsoon — Wed, 25 Nov 2015 05:19:15 GMT

@amber-eyed-girl wrote:

find whoever you wish to take this up with, and discuss it. Good luck.

personally I don't know who you are, or care who you are (in terms of banning). Your opinions if expressed with courtesy are as valid as anyone's.

OK.Maybe you didnt mock.Many did.They know who they are.But as I told them 6 years ago ww3 is coming .

It will be here soon.Personally I am looking forward to it.

Re: Turkey shoots down Russian jet fighter

amber-eyed-girl — Wed, 25 Nov 2015 05:22:30 GMT

Thank you. Have a good rest of the day.

Re: Turkey shoots down Russian jet fighter

kopenhagen5 — Wed, 25 Nov 2015 06:24:07 GMT

@amber-eyed-girl wrote:
No, Kopes...things don't really add up. 10 warnings in five minutes, when the jet could not have been in Turkish airspace for more than eight seconds, if at all. Ethnically, the border Syrians are Turks. Turkey is becoming less moderate, and might feel that Syrian oil, and a little bit more land might be nice here. The jet, would have been bombing those Turkey feels are Turks. Not Syrians.

Putin has called this a stab in the back. Turkey, will have known (as we all do) the purpose of the flight. At this point I can't blame Putin for being aggrieved.

Right now, I am genuinely concerned this will broaden.

Today a Turkish person showed me a map of the flight paths and I can see how it happened.

There is a small jut of Turkish land near the bombing and the Russian jet crossed that small jut.

Factor in language differences, speed of jet fighters and split second decisions being made, I put it down to one of those things.

Add in recent increases to security just recently by Turkey in that precise area, something was bound to happen when fighting in close proximity to one another.

Similarly last week when it was being discussed that France, Russia and Cuba were all taking to the air to bomb ISIL, bound to be some instances that could create concern.

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amber-eyed-girl — Wed, 25 Nov 2015 06:38:30 GMT

Kopes, Turkey had by their own admission, five minutes to sort out any confusion, and there will have been none as Russia has made it clear why they had jets in the area. Also, it was that jut of land I was thinking of as in all of eight seconds of potential violation of Turkish airspace.

"something was bound to happen", I cannot agree with as it was so well defined as to Russia's reason for being there.

What this has done is catastrophic.

Re: Turkey shoots down Russian jet fighter

amber-eyed-girl — Wed, 25 Nov 2015 06:41:50 GMT

Britain and America supporting Turkey, against Russia. Latest news.

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ecar3483 — Wed, 25 Nov 2015 06:54:52 GMT

I am sorry for the families of those pilots.

Regardless of the circumstances, they were somebody's son, somebody's brother, somebody's forever guy.

Taken away, like pawns in a game of chess.

Re: Turkey shoots down Russian jet fighter

amber-eyed-girl — Wed, 25 Nov 2015 07:10:45 GMT

Yes, it is horrible. Diplomacy and common sense should have prevailed. Hopefully there won't be more lives lost now.