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Warning or funeral plan

village_person — Sun, 29 Nov 2015 22:52:59 GMT

Stereosonic 2015: Woman dies after music festival at Sydney Olympic Park

THE 25-year-old woman who died after the Stereosonic music festival at Sydney Olympic Park is believed to have taken an ecstasy tablet and mixed it with MDMA while a 22-year-old woman has been discharged from hospital, after earlier being placed in an induced coma.

Paramedics rushed young pharmacist Sylvia Choi of Oyster Bay to Concord Hospital where she died last night.

She is believed to have taken an ecstasy tablet but also may have mixed MDMA in a bottle of water.

“These drugs are made by criminals in back yards,” Assistant Commissioner Menilli said today.

“It’s like opening a bottle of bleach and swallowing it.

“People have to get out of the mentality that you have to take drugs to enjoy a concert.”

The two women were not at the concert together.

Ms Choi’s friends have told police they ingested a “tablet” but police have not said which drug they are suspected of taking.

http://www.news.com.au

If the report is true the warnings will go unheeded. If a chemist is prepared to swallow chemicals of an unknown origin perhaps the best plan is to insist on risk takers to have a fully funded funeral plan sorted out.

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moonflyte — Sun, 29 Nov 2015 23:01:04 GMT

What a tragedy, there's no end to stupidity. Whatever happened to having fun without a chemical enhancer?

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jds_noise — Mon, 30 Nov 2015 02:19:46 GMT

@village_person wrote:

“People have to get out of the mentality that you have to take drugs to enjoy a concert.”

Considering what passes for "music" these days, drugs are probably the only thing that makes a concert tolerable let alone enjoyable..

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lind9650 — Mon, 30 Nov 2015 02:31:07 GMT

What I don't understand, is that they pay big money to attend a concert and in the end can not hear a note of the performers for all the yelling and screaming of the other people in the audience.

Just a lousy excuse to get drunk, take drugs and behave like cavemen.

Erica

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amalan11 — Mon, 30 Nov 2015 10:06:10 GMT

I Was stunned to hear she was a qualified pharmicist . I hope she didnt make whatever killed her ... from all we hear of drugs and how risky they are it seems insane a pharmicist would take them.

I really think we need to get much harsher on drug use it seems way to common . These deaths at festivals are becoming a regular event but more worrisome is that I read just a day or so ago that police drug testing ,outside Canberra I think, found 1 in four people tested positive .... I find that terrible to think its so common there seem to be an eliment of people in all walks of life who use drugs and its getting worse.

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ecar3483 — Mon, 30 Nov 2015 12:42:00 GMT

From the ABC News website -

An emergency physician is one of a growing number of people calling for pill testing at music festivals after a woman's death from an ecstasy overdose at Stereosonic at the weekend.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-30/stereosonic-drug-death-prompts-doctor-warning-worst-yet-to-come/6988136

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colic2bullsgirlore — Mon, 30 Nov 2015 21:08:44 GMT

@amalan11 wrote:
I Was stunned to hear she was a qualified pharmicist . I hope she didnt make whatever killed her ... from all we hear of drugs and how risky they are it seems insane a pharmicist would take them.
I really think we need to get much harsher on drug use it seems way to common . These deaths at festivals are becoming a regular event but more worrisome is that I read just a day or so ago that police drug testing ,outside Canberra I think, found 1 in four people tested positive .... I find that terrible to think its so common there seem to be an eliment of people in all walks of life who use drugs and its getting worse.

So on those figures with a crowd of 50,000 at the dance festival 12500 of them (at least) were a buzzing 1 died and

about 150 were either treated or admitted to hospital.... but the other 12350 odd pulled off the buzz ( a gross under

estimate in my opinion... I think a70% pinned 30% high on life scenario is much more likely

lmao get much tougher on drugs........ illicit drug prohibition has been in force in Australia for about 80 years...and

where has that led society?

like... honestly... How well is that prohibition doodaddy going???

...Authorities cannot stop the flow of drugs into Gaols what amazing panacea do you think will stop it in society?

As a short overview it has made trillions of dollars for the black market racketeers. Incarcerated 1,000,000s of people

some of who are suffering from a brain disease called Addiction with no to minimal treatment given other than

abstinence??.....

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/understanding-drug-abuse-addiction

"Many people do not understand why or how other people become addicted to drugs. It is often mistakenly assumed that drug abusers lack moral principles or willpower and that they could stop using drugs simply by choosing to change their behavior. In reality, drug addiction is a complex disease, and quitting takes more than good intentions or a strong will. In fact, because drugs change the brain in ways that foster compulsive drug abuse, quitting is difficult, even for those who are ready to do so. Through scientific advances, we know more about how drugs work in the brain than ever, and we also know that drug addiction can be successfully treated to help people stop abusing drugs and lead productive lives."

(??? refers to the point above re drug flow into Gaols)

So on those figures with a crowd of 50,000 at the dance festival 12500 of them (at least) were a buzzing 1 died and

about 150 were either treated or admitted to hospital.... but the other 12350 odd pulled off the buzz

Do you think (just quietly) that the hypocrisy of the mainstream media talking about Alcohol and drug use ie

segregating legal drug and an illegal drug is helpful?

Alcohol is a drug, a drug that is abused by a minority what makes you think that the modern recreational drugs should

be any different

Do you think your local drug dealer will teach harm minimization techniques or offer help for those that recognize their

addiction and want to get off the merry go round.

Do you think a licenced business that was responsible in their drug distribution and used a safe recipe that produced

known quality products would be a better place for young inquisitive minds to experiment..... a place where harm

minimization techniques and help for addiction was readily accessable?

I notice that Indonesia's tough stance on drugs... has worked exceeedingly well..... not.... maybe an island surrounded

by crocodiles is the way to go??? How many muslims in Indonesia

http://www.smh.com.au/world/indonesia-to-build-crocodile-prison-island-antidrugs-chief-says-20151111-gkwbps.html

Crocodiles would be used to guard prisoners on death row in Indonesia, because "you can't bribe" the reptiles, according to a bizarre proposal from the head of nation's drug agency.

But it gets worse.

The plan also appears to include a Hunger Games-style survival competition, with guards sending out food parcels to a crocodile-surrounded island, but otherwise leaving death row inmates to fend for themselves.

"We will keep sending them food supplies every day. But they have to survive on their own," the chief of Indonesia's anti-drug agency, Budi Waseso, was quoted as saying.

Mr Waseso told Indonesian news website Tempo: "We will place as many crocodiles as we can there. I will search for the most ferocious type of crocodile. You can't bribe crocodiles. You can't convince them to let inmates escape."

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colic2bullsgirlore — Mon, 30 Nov 2015 21:39:40 GMT

So my "solution" to the "drug scourge" is simple.

Take the the black marketeers profit out of it which ,if properly setup, would allow those that are prone to suffer from

addiction access to the help they need and make any legally supplied recreational drug's strength and veracity

accountable to the supplier and the same facts available to the user.

we could just keep on watching that lump under the carpet grow till it ruins the lounge room for everybody except the

black marketeers

Just heard another news item on the telly entitled

....... "more people are using drugs than are using alcohol"

lmao what an impossibly contradictory statement at best and at worst an unconscionable sublimally subversive social comment

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icyfroth — Mon, 30 Nov 2015 21:42:53 GMT

The island surrounded by ferocious crocodiles sounds good, and that the inmates would have to be self-sustained sounds like a good plan.

Maybe those that defend drug use could attend as well.

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colic2bullsgirlore — Mon, 30 Nov 2015 21:45:14 GMT

Do you mean the publicans or the breweries?

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colic2bullsgirlore — Mon, 30 Nov 2015 21:47:07 GMT

and how is that illicit drug prohibition going for you and your family Icy?? ...a bit slow over there this morning?

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icyfroth — Mon, 30 Nov 2015 21:57:31 GMT

Why don't you come back over?

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icyfroth — Tue, 01 Dec 2015 00:47:48 GMT

@djlukjilly wrote:
What a tragedy, there's no end to stupidity. Whatever happened to having fun without a chemical enhancer?

Danger is nature's way of eliminating stupid ppl.

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jimmy*part4 — Tue, 01 Dec 2015 02:24:58 GMT

These designer drugs came about due to stiff penalties for possesion and sale of "standard" drugs.

Proof that long jail terms for drug offenses don't work...our jails are bursting at the seams.

Drugs from New Zealand flooded the world market. One guy, now a multi millionaire, would take an illegal drug and alter 1 molecule...creating a legal drug. These new designer drugs are much more dangerous, even if only taken once. I think the loop holes that allow this have been closed in NZ, so they just move the operation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/02/new-zealand-drug-law_n_3696809.html

Prohibition has failed every single time. Alcohol is just as dangerous, if not more dangerous.

New Zealand Drug Designer Presents Autumn Winter Collection:

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bluecat*dancing — Tue, 01 Dec 2015 03:36:33 GMT

Some still slip through, though.

My thoughts are with this young woman's poor friends and family. Such a sad waste of a young life. Taking drugs, legal or illegal, to enhance one's experience is a part of society and probably has been since time immemorial and is unlikely to change anytime soon. The illicit drugs that around these days are scary.

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bluecat*dancing — Tue, 01 Dec 2015 03:39:06 GMT

I agree, prohibition doesn't work. It only makes whatever is being prohibited more desirable.

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icyfroth — Tue, 01 Dec 2015 03:59:53 GMT

Drugs are readily available, illegal or not.

That's the problem.

Drugs freely available and young ppl with plenty of money to buy them.

Same with alcohol.

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village_person — Tue, 01 Dec 2015 06:04:18 GMT

@amalan11 wrote:
I Was stunned to hear she was a qualified pharmicist .

I'd like to know who sat her exams for her. It's obvious she didn't sit for any exams given she had a non-functioning brain.

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village_person — Sat, 05 Dec 2015 23:27:39 GMT

Adelaide Stereosonic music festival: Two critically ill after man's 'drug-related death'

Two people at the Stereosonic music festival in Adelaide were taken to hospital in a critical condition, the same day a man died after attending the event, police have said.

Police said a 20-year-old man was taken to the Royal Adelaide Hospital at midday on Saturday after suffering from a medical episode at the event in Bonython Park.

[...]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-06/two-critical-in-hospital-stereosonic-music-festival/7005026

EBay Sage Village_Person said: If the report is true the warnings will go unheeded. If a chemist is prepared to swallow chemicals of an unknown origin perhaps the best plan is to insist on risk takers to have a fully funded funeral plan sorted out.

Issuing warnings is a waste of time.

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colic2bullsgirlore — Sun, 06 Dec 2015 21:16:42 GMT

Can you hear the mainstream media screaming out re alcohol and Big pharma's DAILY contribution

... listen to the banshee wail....

http://theconversation.com/australias-daily-alcohol-toll-15-deaths-and-430-hospitalisations-29906

Australia’s daily alcohol toll: 15 deaths and 430 hospitalisations July 31, 2014 2.12pm AEST

Alcohol

Alcohol is the most widely used drug in Australia.

86.2% of Australians aged 14 years and over have drunk alcohol one or more times in their lives1.

37.3% of Australians aged 14 years and over consume alcohol on a weekly basis1.

The age group with the greatest number of Australians who drink daily is 70+ years1.

Around 1 in 5 (18.2%) Australians over 14 drink at levels that put them at risk of alcohol-related harm over their lifetime1.

Around 1 in 6 (15.6%) people aged 12 years or older had consumed 11 or more standard drinks on a single drinking occasion in the past 12 months1.

1 in 4 women drink alcohol while pregnant, even though the Australian alcohol guidelines recommend not drinking during this time1.

$7b is generated by alcohol-related tax. But alcohol costs society $15.3b annually3.
Alcohol caused more than twice as many deaths (3,494) than road accidents (1,600) in 20054.
1 in 10 workers say they have experienced the negative effects of a co-worker’s use of alcohol.

Benzodiazepines

4.5% of Australians aged 14 years and over have used tranquillisers/sleeping pills (including benzodiazepines) for non-medical purposes one or more times in their life1.

1.6% of Australians aged 14 years and over have used tranquillisers (including benzodiazepines) for non-medical purposes in the previous 12 months1.

Benzodiazepines are the second most common drug involved in ambulance attendances in Victoria, after alcohol

Analgesics

Young People

Young Australians (aged 14–24) first try analgesics for non-medical purposes at 15.0 years on average1.

Analgesics are the most commonly used drug (licit or illicit) among 12–17 year olds. By the age of 13, 95% of this age group have used analgesics (mostly for headaches and/or cold and flu symptoms).

4% of 12-17 year olds take analgesics from home without permission and 3% buy them

Non-opioid analgesics (such as paracetamol) are the third most common drug involved in ambulance attendances, following alcohol and benziodiazepines.

Meth/amphetamine (including ice)

Ice (crystal methamphetamine) is the 4th most common drug involved in ambulance attendances, following alcohol,

benziodiazapines and non-opioid analgesics.