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Tired of the double standards

kilroy_is_here — Wed, 13 Apr 2016 01:07:08 GMT

if it had been the father who had murdered that poor little girl the country would be baying for his blood, there would be calls for him to be dragged through the streets naked by his testicles and while I would have no problem with that, the silence and lack of outrage for this woman's dispicable act is very telling, the only thing missing is the do Gooders sprouting on about how the poor woman must be disturbed or in a really bad place to have done it, this evil **bleep** should only ever see the light of day from behind bars or she should see her last Sunrise with a noose around her neck

Re: Tired of the double standards

lind9650 — Wed, 13 Apr 2016 01:24:04 GMT

I absolutely agree with you.

How on earth a mother can kill her child is beyond comprehension for me. And then pretend that the child had been kidnapped. Despicable creature.

If you don't want to care for a child, but gave birth to it, put it up for adoption.

There is never a good enough excuse to kill a child.

Erica

Re: Tired of the double standards

***super_nova*** — Wed, 13 Apr 2016 01:31:05 GMT

I feel equally saddened which ever parent killes a child. I do not recall anybody demanding physical violence when father threw the little girl from the bridge, or when the guy drove his car into the dam killing 3 boys. But in both cases the fathers did it on their access day to punish the children's mother. Women kill their children when they cannot cope with life and have no support.

Re: Tired of the double standards

icyfroth — Wed, 13 Apr 2016 06:35:36 GMT

What got me was that she told police she was attacked by a dark-skinned man, possibly African, smelling of alcohol.

That could set off another whole set of riots.

Re: Tired of the double standards

the_great_she_elephant — Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:01:32 GMT

I'm not sure what has been said in the papers, but, most of the comments I have seen of Facebook have been quite savage in their condemnation - they were hoping she would burn in hell even before she was arrested.

Like most people I thin, I had my suspicions right from the start. It sounded sadly familiar. The DIL of someone I know killed her baby in much the same way. She was not very bright, had big emotional problems and was simply not able to cope when the baby wouldn't settle. On a couple of occasions she held a pillow over the his face till he turned blue then rang triple 0 to say he was having a seizure. The ambulance came, the baby spent a few days in hospital and the mum got a little break and lots of sympathy. The paramedics may well have been suspicious, but it would have been difficult to prove anything ........... until inevitably the day came when she either held the pillow for a bit too long or rang triple 0 a bit too late and the baby didn't recover. She was conviceted of manslaughter (or it might have been infanticide, I can't remember which) and spent a few years in gaol.

Re: Tired of the double standards

azureline** — Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:59:43 GMT

I have seen probably 8 out of 10 people baying for her blood.

Maybe it depends where you see it? most people are calling her evil and a monster, me, I am waiting for the results of the investigation.

It's not a normal thing to kill your child for no apparent reason and the father was not worried, he saw her Wednesday and said they were both happy. No excuses but there has to be a reason.

Re: Tired of the double standards

givemeaspell — Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:28:02 GMT

I saw the neighbour throwing eggs at their car. That kind of thing is silly, it's her uncles house for one, you can't attack the whole family for what the mother has done. I also agree with icy, blaming an African person, thank god no innocent person was in the area at the same time, who knows what could have happened. it's also quite amazing now what the CCTV's are picking up, 2 murders solved in the last week. Big Brother is definitely watching. Not sure I agree with the OP, I think anytime a parent commits a crime like this everyone is shocked and upset, regardless it its the mother or father. You cannot fathom hurting your own child, there has to be a mental problem otherwise it's just plain evil.

Re: Tired of the double standards

***super_nova*** — Thu, 14 Apr 2016 06:06:09 GMT

@givemeaspell wrote:
You cannot fathom hurting your own child, there has to be a mental problem otherwise it's just plain evil.

That is the thing, NOBODY is just plainly evil. Sane people usually act in a way that is in some way beneficial to them, and sometimes that may be something pretty appalling. But nobody does something horrible that basically ends their life, something that will turn the society and often their family against them, unless in moment of insanity.

Re: Tired of the double standards

kilroy_is_here — Thu, 14 Apr 2016 09:01:28 GMT

I disagree evil is out there , I think far to many times we like to tell ourselfs that it was a moment of insanity rather than face the truth that these people are just plain evil, it allows us to sleep better at night , if we are forced to acknowledge the reality of evil then we must accept that anything is possible and anything could be considered to be within the normal capabilities of the human race.

personally I am more than willing to believe that even supposedly good people are capable of evil acts

Re: Tired of the double standards

imastawka — Thu, 14 Apr 2016 10:07:54 GMT

I saw CCTV footage today, of her walking the stroller, with the toddler, into the park.

Then she came out with an empty stroller.

She was in no hurry and walked calmly when she left

I've searched and can't find that video now

Re: Tired of the double standards

imastawka — Thu, 14 Apr 2016 10:33:34 GMT

Found it

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-13/sofina-nikat-seen-on-cctv-with-pram/7321780?section=vic

Re: Tired of the double standards

icyfroth — Thu, 14 Apr 2016 10:51:14 GMT

Another example of double standards:

If it'd been any white woman falsely accusing the murder of her child to a dark-skinned man maybe of African appearance it would have been a racist scandal of mammoth proportions.

Re: Tired of the double standards

azureline** — Thu, 14 Apr 2016 22:26:52 GMT

Perhaps it's less of a scandal atm because

1.police never looked for this man

2. The death of the baby is uppermost in everyone's mind.

I am left wondering why so many are so eager to believe the very worst of the mother without knowing the whole situation?

Does it make us feel better to judge so harshly?

@icyfroth wrote:
Another example of double standards:

If it'd been any white woman falsely accusing the murder of her child to a dark-skinned man maybe of African appearance it would have been a racist scandal of mammoth proportions.

Re: Tired of the double standards

k0llectable5 — Thu, 14 Apr 2016 22:36:37 GMT

@azureline** wrote:
Perhaps it's less of a scandal atm because
1.police never looked for this man
2. The death of the baby is uppermost in everyone's mind.

I am left wondering why so many are so eager to believe the very worst of the mother without knowing the whole situation?
Does it make us feel better to judge so harshly?
@icyfroth wrote:
Another example of double standards:

If it'd been any white woman falsely accusing the murder of her child to a dark-skinned man maybe of African appearance it would have been a racist scandal of mammoth proportions.

Az, do you think we should feel sorry for her? We live in Australia, there are always options, she could've even left her on someones door step, rung the bell and run would've be better than dumping the body in a creek...

I do agree though it's not our job to judge, but still, it's disturbing thinking what the last moments of that babies life were like... It hits too close to home for most parents...

Re: Tired of the double standards

givemeaspell — Thu, 14 Apr 2016 22:44:40 GMT

I disagree about people not being Evil. Im not saying this mother was evil, who knows what type of stress she was under, arranged marriage, abusive relationship, however there are always people to help, sad that she felt this was her only way out and for that she has to pay. Evil - the Anita Cobby murderers. Plain evil.

Re: Tired of the double standards

azureline** — Thu, 14 Apr 2016 23:07:24 GMT

@3ksandpj wrote:
@azureline** wrote:
Perhaps it's less of a scandal atm because
1.police never looked for this man
2. The death of the baby is uppermost in everyone's mind.

I am left wondering why so many are so eager to believe the very worst of the mother without knowing the whole situation?
Does it make us feel better to judge so harshly?
@icyfroth wrote:
Another example of double standards:

If it'd been any white woman falsely accusing the murder of her child to a dark-skinned man maybe of African appearance it would have been a racist scandal of mammoth proportions.

Az, do you think we should feel sorry for her? We live in Australia, there are always options, she could've even left her on someones door step, rung the bell and run would've be better than dumping the body in a creek...

I do agree though it's not our job to judge, but still, it's disturbing thinking what the last moments of that babies life were like... It hits too close to home for most parents...

I don't feel sorry for her, exactly, I feel so sad for the baby but I am not sure what I feel about her.

I do think she isn't just evil................probably a lot of DV, no real idea about how to get the help she needed maybe?

I think it's a human reaction to judge but I hate to do it.

I also believe there is going to be a whole lot more to the background of this.

There are so many other babies murdered by really evil people, Leiliana Wright aged 4, beaten/kicked, to death for drinking her brothers juice. (US)

Micahya Crocket and his sister again US but it is clearly drugs and her issues with her partner that are tantamount there. No excuses.

Both cases there were warning signs for a long time.

Re: Tired of the double standards

***super_nova*** — Fri, 15 Apr 2016 00:02:22 GMT

Isolated woman with somewhat limited English would very unlikely know where or how to look for help. Just because somebody looks "calm" on fuzzy video means nothing. She could be in daze. Who knows what happened. Why make an federal case of her describing the man as African? The police would be asking her for description, anything she can remember, what colour was his skin, and she would have said the first thing that came into her mind.

I find it difficult to believe that she thought to herself that killing the baby is going to change her life for better. She has a history of mental illness, maybe she is on medication, and just snapped. Murders are not committed by monsters from other planets they are committed by ordinary people. And anybody who thinks that they or somebody from their family would never be capable doing something like that are kidding themselves. We all are capable of killing in some circumstances.

Re: Tired of the double standards

azureline** — Fri, 15 Apr 2016 00:11:57 GMT

I am not sure she ever described the man as African, did she just say dark skin? She has dark skin herself.

The media just writes whatever they want, in news here, I read dark sinned/Afican/Somalian, so who knows?

As for the CCTV footage, I saw a woman pushing a pram, I couldn't even tell it was her, let alone if there was a baby in it, dead or alive 😞

Re: Tired of the double standards

imastawka — Fri, 15 Apr 2016 02:41:50 GMT

As for the CCTV footage, I saw a woman pushing a pram, I couldn't even tell it was her, let alone if there was a baby in it, dead or alive

Yes, she may have already killed her at home and wanted to dispose of the body.

Autopsy said she was smothered before being put in the creek

Re: Tired of the double standards

bright.ton42 — Fri, 15 Apr 2016 03:56:13 GMT

Those of us who struggle to find some rationale to this won't because there is none. We will never know the circumstances that led to this murder of a baby. Also I read that there were signs of previous abuse on the child. (sorry don't have the link). The mother would appear dazed as she would be under strong medication I believe. Whether severe mental illness explains it, or pure evil, ( and I do believe in pure evil though not necessarily with this case) we will never know. I would like to attend the memorial group at West Heidelberg but can't but today my heart is heavy and with them all.