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Pet industry should be shut down

colic2bullsgirlore — Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:06:59 GMT

Of the 131,525 animals received nationally by the RSPCA for the 2011-2012 financial year, 49,688 had to be euthanised based on infectious, medical, behavioural, legal and other circumstances.

It is estimated that local councils shoot about the same number.

Animal shelter figures are harder to come by.

At least 150,000 animals slaughtered all in the name of companionship each year in Australia.

Roaming cats continue to be blooded using our natural wildlife as live baits........ many many many of them eat rats

and mice alive while others keep the same tortured animals ie. rats and mice as pets.

The companion animal industry needs to be closed down .....shame shame shame......

Tarring all pet owners with the same brush...... How does that feel???

Re: Pet industry should be shut down

colic2bullsgirlore — Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:22:27 GMT

http://www.g2z.org.au/pdf/Calculation%20of%20National%20Figures%2009%2010%20incl.%20Healthy%20Treatable.pdf

An interesting PDF and extrapolation

In NSW 2009/2010 year 24,709 dogs and 32,475 cats were reported euthanased (approx 57,000).

Of that combined number approximately 45,000 of them were healthy but killed because they were surplus to "pet"

demand.

The numbers of pets euthenased privately for that year ????

Re: Pet industry should be shut down

chameleon54 — Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:28:32 GMT

Many elderly and disabled people are isolated from the community and have little real meaningul contact with others. For many, their pets are their only companionship. Pets dont judge their owners on looks, social ability, ethnicity or the funny way they walk. These people regularly dote on their pets ensuring they recieve constant attention and are cared for in the best possible way.

Why should these people be condemned to a life of solitude and loneliness, due to the thoughtless actions of a minority ?

Re: Pet industry should be shut down

colic2bullsgirlore — Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:37:22 GMT

It's the same reason that 14000 registered NSW Greyhound trainers will have their animals taken away....... Two of the

14,000 have been found guilty of live baiting.

Pet/companion animal owners.... all tarred with the same brush

Re: Pet industry should be shut down

davidc4430 — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:10:34 GMT

@colic2bullsgirlore wrote:

It's the same reason that 14000 registered NSW Greyhound trainers will have their animals taken away....... Two of the

14,000 have been found guilty of live baiting.

Pet/companion animal owners.... all tarred with the same brush

its not the 2 live baiting culprets thats destroying the greyhound racing industry, stop being blind to the real problem.

its the thousands of puppys being bread as racing dogs who have no other purpose for being born, then are mostly destroyed before the age of 4 because they are not fast enough.

stop this 'its all because a few "bad" boys were live baiting bulldust.

Re: Pet industry should be shut down

chameleon54 — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:14:51 GMT

@colic2bullsgirlore wrote:

It's the same reason that 14000 registered NSW Greyhound trainers will have their animals taken away....... Two of the

14,000 have been found guilty of live baiting.

Pet/companion animal owners.... all tarred with the same brush

BOOM !!!! BOOM !!!!!!.... I thought there had to be a tag line there somewhere.

Seriously though, I do have some reservations about closing down the greyhound industry. If we are going to do that, we need to also ban all horse racing at the same time, as many of the issues are similar.

Live baiting is indefensible, but having greyhounds running around an oval chasing a plastic decoy seems fairly harmless. The dogs are doing what they love, running as fast as they can.

Like most things, it comes back to managing the industry and the animals to ensure welfare standards and animal treatment is maintained at the highest level.

Re: Pet industry should be shut down

colic2bullsgirlore — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:30:10 GMT

@davidc4430 wrote:
@colic2bullsgirlore wrote:

It's the same reason that 14000 registered NSW Greyhound trainers will have their animals taken away....... Two of the

14,000 have been found guilty of live baiting.

Pet/companion animal owners.... all tarred with the same brush
its not the 2 live baiting culprets thats destroying the greyhound racing industry, stop being blind to the real problem.

its the thousands of puppys being bread as racing dogs who have no other purpose for being born, then are mostly destroyed before the age of 4 because they are not fast enough.

stop this 'its all because a few "bad" boys were live baiting bulldust.

In NSW 2009/2010 year 24,709 dogs and 32,475 cats were reported euthanased (approx 57,000).

Of that combined number approximately 45,000 of them were healthy but killed because they were not lovable

enough that somebody rescued them.

25,000,000 dogs are consumed by humans each year.. that figure would appear to take care of the excess in the greyhound and companion animal industry

Why do we euthanaze the excess rather than sell them for food.??

East West difference of culture and cultural acceptance IMO

Appproximately 15% of the worlds population are Hindu. Hindus idolize the cow and hold it sacred.

However I eat cow.....yummy... How about you?

I often wonder what the Hindus think about me.

Re: Pet industry should be shut down

davidc4430 — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:34:34 GMT

i rekon the 14,000 have been found guilty of not being able to rehome the 'wastage' dogs they are producing so they can play race the doggy.

i cant comment on other forms of racing, however

do you rekon there would be an outcry if every humun who failed to win after choosing to be a runner in races was 'put down?

Re: Pet industry should be shut down

colic2bullsgirlore — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:38:03 GMT

Then so have all pet owners for not accepting the responsiblity of rehoming all the excess pets that were killed

Re: Pet industry should be shut down

davidc4430 — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:38:57 GMT

seems your point of view is actually, two wrongs make right.

your throwing out figures of where humans are doing wrong by animals, yep, no argument there

but then saying because humans are doing the wrong thing here, here and here, we should turn a blind eye to humans doing the wrong thing here.

Re: Pet industry should be shut down

colic2bullsgirlore — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:41:08 GMT

and your point of view would appear to be ostracising the greyhound industry while not accepting that the figures in the pet

industry are far worse for abuse and for wastage removal

Re: Pet industry should be shut down

davidc4430 — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:44:39 GMT

@colic2bullsgirlore wrote:
Then so have all pet owners for not accepting the responsiblity of rehoming all the excess pets that were killed

yes. everyone has a responsibility to fix what is a huge problem with all the unwanted dogs, cats ect.

the elected poiticians have been sitting on their hands on this way too long. every pet must be micro chipped and desexed.

only registered breeders allowed to breed.

cats not allowed outside homes.

dogs not allowed off lead in public.

i dont expect to fix all the problems over night but if we all try it could be done here in australia, to show the world how it can be done.

Re: Pet industry should be shut down

davidc4430 — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:50:19 GMT

btw, your point about the greyhound racing if you look at it as a bunch of dogs running in a circle doing what they love to do, running.

isnt entirely true

as i am owned by an ex racer, he raced every week for 2 years, from 2years old until 4 years old.

i see the results of injuries sustained in the running in a circle having 'fun'

its not fun when it involves 6 - 8 dogs all running at top speed in a close group as falls during the race often reult in serious injury.

Re: Pet industry should be shut down

englishrosegardens — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:44:23 GMT

@davidc4430 wrote:
@colic2bullsgirlore wrote:
Then so have all pet owners for not accepting the responsiblity of rehoming all the excess pets that were killed
yes. everyone has a responsibility to fix what is a huge problem with all the unwanted dogs, cats ect.

the elected poiticians have been sitting on their hands on this way too long. every pet must be micro chipped and desexed.

only registered breeders allowed to breed.

cats not allowed outside homes.

dogs not allowed off lead in public.

i dont expect to fix all the problems over night but if we all try it could be done here in australia, to show the world how it can be done.

What a load of rubbish!!!

I'm not responsible for someone else's actions. This is what's wrong with society these days - nobody is responsible for their own actions. Do anything you like and someone else will clean up after you.

As for only registered breeders being allowed to breed, what makes you think being registered makes a breeder responsible??? I once had two labrador females and before I bred them I made sure I got them hip and elbow scored, but because they weren't registered the canine association refused to do it. The veterinary association had no qualms in doing it because they knew I was being responsible. The vet told me that many registered breeders will knowingly breed two dogs (together) where one or both have really low scores and they just assume the progeny will be better than them (statistically unlikely). My dogs' scores were way better than the average for registered dogs, so how was I being irresponsible? A piece of paper to say you're registered means absolutely nothing!!

Cats are animals that naturally like to roam and to keep them inside all the time isn't natural, so that's cruelty in itself. Some cats are happy to stay inside all the time but most would be happier doing what their natural instincts tell them to do.

Re: Pet industry should be shut down

michellebartley — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:53:31 GMT

Well I used to show Cats at the local cat shows. I got offered a beautiful "Selkirk" pedgreed cat for nothing by its owner a while ago at a Cat show, these animals sell for $700.00 or more sometimes. Unfortunately if show animals are not wanted they are usually euthanised which is a shame but owners can run out of space to keep them also some animals arent up to show standard in a litter and are euthanised. Culling it is called. I did not keep the cat unfortunately due to some housing problems I had but gave it to a friend of mine so it had a good home. Your post about the Pet Industry being shut down is outlandish. Do you have pets yourself?

Re: Pet industry should be shut down

***super_nova*** — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 02:05:56 GMT

Has everybody missed the bold text at the bottom of the OP?

Tarring all pet owners with the same brush...... How does that feel??? 🙂

Re: Pet industry should be shut down

crusader-rabbit48 — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 02:14:27 GMT

Bit of a conflict of interest here.

Re: Pet industry should be shut down

Anonymous — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 03:29:25 GMT

@***super_nova*** wrote:
Has everybody missed the bold text at the bottom of the OP?

Tarring all pet owners with the same brush...... How does that feel??? 🙂

who cares?

its about the animals.

Re: Pet industry should be shut down

the_great_she_elephant — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 06:34:26 GMT

@chameleon54 wrote:
@colic2bullsgirlore wrote:

It's the same reason that 14000 registered NSW Greyhound trainers will have their animals taken away....... Two of the

14,000 have been found guilty of live baiting.

Pet/companion animal owners.... all tarred with the same brush

BOOM !!!! BOOM !!!!!!.... I thought there had to be a tag line there somewhere.

Seriously though, I do have some reservations about closing down the greyhound industry. If we are going to do that, we need to also ban all horse racing at the same time, as many of the issues are similar.

Live baiting is indefensible, but having greyhounds running around an oval chasing a plastic decoy seems fairly harmless. The dogs are doing what they love, running as fast as they can.

Like most things, it comes back to managing the industry and the animals to ensure welfare standards and animal treatment is maintained at the highest level.

It would be interesting to know how many dogs running round the race tracks today have not been 'blooded' with live bait. Just because many trainers don't do it themselves doesn't mean they dont take them elsewhere for a few 'specialised' sessions.

Re: Pet industry should be shut down

davidc4430 — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 07:04:57 GMT

nobody wants to take any responsibility, thats a huge part of the problem.

so you think the system we have now where anyone can breed cats and dogs is working well. i think the various animal welfare legues would argue with you there. of course there will be breeders doing the wrong thing, no system is perfect. but a system where ever dog and cat is microchiped before sale so every cat and dog can be traced back to who the breeder was might just help stamp out the bad breeders.

only a short time ago when walking my dog i found 3 dumped kittens, there are people who let their animals get pregnant, have pups or kittens so the kids can see them born, then just dump them. i'm sure dad says i'm taking them to their new home kids, yup, find a fence in a dark place and throw em over.

my dog is indoors all the time, cept when i walk him on lead. he doesnt run up to strangers and sniff their butts and crotches. he doesnt chase other dogs we meet. i take responsibility for my dog, its my belief a lot of people dont want some lazy buggas dog jumping all over them or bothering them when they are minding their own business out for a pleasant walk.

pity so many dont give a rats what their dogs do.

my cat lives indoors 24/7 as have my previous 4 cats. all have lived to over 17 years old. so i dont think not roaming has hurt them too much. of course its more work, keeping litter trays clean. people who come into my house have no idea i have a cat unless they see her so i must be doing a good job of cleaning, no bad cat pee smell here.

i believe my neighbours have a right not to have my cat **bleep**ping in their garden or peeing on their doorstep.

pity so many dont give a rats what their cats do.