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2nd Amendment Doesn't GIVE You the Right to Own Guns

fo-trut — Sat, 20 Aug 2016 04:10:23 GMT

A libertarian / voluntaryist view on the value and meaning of the second amendment. Your gun rights are up to you. Because you have a right to life, liberty and property, you have a right to defend them .As long as you live by the non-aggression principle, there should be no limits on civilians owning and carrying weapons

Video- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9AU1uyzglc

Here is proof that even Australians have this right. Should they decide to use it is up to them, each of them as indiviuals. It's not only a basic human right, but the right of anything that has life. Dogs, Cats, any living thing

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azureline** — Sat, 20 Aug 2016 04:54:30 GMT

Fortunately, we also have laws that we must abide by and Australian law prohibits gun ownership for protection.

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lionrose.7 — Sat, 20 Aug 2016 06:01:33 GMT

OMG so my cat can own a gun, watch out doggies 🙂

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fo-trut — Sat, 20 Aug 2016 06:11:36 GMT

Christ's Law of the Sword- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL95OoKzcFA

The best 7 minutes of gun control speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2jc1TzlqLo

Suzanna Gratia Hupp explains meaning of 2nd Amendment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis

Innocents Betrayed - The History of Gun Control
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUmKT43j4Tc

I strongly suggest you watch these videos, I doubt you even watched the first one in the opening post. The message I'm getting from a fellow human is that humans can't be trusted with something that we as humans created (that being guns) But logic would dictate if you make it criminal to own and carry guns, then only criminals will have them. Some being real life criminals who are not concerned with following laws, and others being good people that we made into criminals by passing such laws

The 2ed amendment, It only outlines a right that already existed throught the world, saying that owning and carrying guns is vital to the ability of self defense in a world with guns.

When everything is against the law, everyone will be a criminal. When the laws no longer apply to police of one agency or another, nothing they ever do can be considered wrong.

Please keep in mind this is only a discussion of differing opinions. I would hope we could discuss this as adults and not let it turn into a dispute. For me to put this any other way would be me not speaking my own mind. I like to keep things real, so to speak

Re: 2nd Amendment Doesn't GIVE You the Right to Own Guns

tezza2844 — Sat, 20 Aug 2016 06:17:48 GMT

@fo-trut wrote:
A libertarian / voluntaryist view on the value and meaning of the second amendment. Your gun rights are up to you. Because you have a right to life, liberty and property, you have a right to defend them .As long as you live by the non-aggression principle, there should be no limits on civilians owning and carrying weapons

Video- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9AU1uyzglc

Here is proof that even Australians have this right. Should they decide to use it is up to them, each of them as indiviuals. It's not only a basic human right, but the right of anything that has life. Dogs, Cats, any living thing

She's back !. Still has not realised that Australia and the rest of world are NOT part of USA. We do not have to put up with moronic and stupid groups who have access to weapons of mass killing ruling our freedom to live safely. If somebody wants to own a gun here they have to show WHY they need it and also how many of these weapons they own.

Can you show us how many innocent people are murdered or killed either accidentally or deliberately because of this so called God given right to own unlimited numbers of weapons, why would anyone need a 50 shot high velocity assault weapon for their "personal safety ??????

Re: 2nd Amendment Doesn't GIVE You the Right to Own Guns

fo-trut — Sat, 20 Aug 2016 06:20:52 GMT

OMG so my cat can own a gun, watch out doggies

They have a right to their teeth and claws. Their tools for self defense. Just as animals with horns, fangs with poison/venom glands, ect. Those are the tools they can use. They would not have the ability to pick up and use a gun effectivly.

We can't even rid the world of nukes, what makes you think we can rid the world of guns. All we can do is lower people to the level of criminals for asserting their own freedom. Governments all over the world do it as a common practice not to make the world a safer place, but to keep people under their thumb, because if they have something on you, you are less likely to call them on their crimes.

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lionrose.7 — Sat, 20 Aug 2016 08:36:57 GMT

time to ignore and let these post sink away

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twyngwyn — Sat, 20 Aug 2016 09:18:22 GMT

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lionrose.7 — Sat, 20 Aug 2016 10:09:36 GMT

Twyn you made me do this, just one more 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI

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twyngwyn — Sat, 20 Aug 2016 10:53:21 GMT

LOL....you MUST post that on the "4 day music thread: Speech"

It's a winner!

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tasfleur — Sat, 20 Aug 2016 13:10:12 GMT

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imastawka — Sat, 20 Aug 2016 13:16:24 GMT

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fo-trut — Sat, 20 Aug 2016 15:59:20 GMT

BoomStick- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GULItNlBvJc

That's right. Shop Smart, shop Fly'smart.. ... .... Ya Got That !

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johcaschro — Sat, 20 Aug 2016 16:14:44 GMT

Look, even the 2nd amendment won't confer on anybody the right to get three shots out of a double barelled shotgun without benefit of a re-load first.

Too much of this macho-violence b/s . . . . it just breeds more of the same.

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baybizz — Sun, 21 Aug 2016 01:24:21 GMT

America's abundance of guns doesn't seem to be very effective at protecting its citizens from being murdered compared with Australia:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/us-vs-western-homicide-rates-2014-11

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aftanas — Tue, 23 Aug 2016 20:59:56 GMT

Why are we talking about the 2nd amendment on an Australian forum? The laws regulating gun ownership in America do not apply here.

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tasfleur — Tue, 23 Aug 2016 23:25:24 GMT

"The laws regulating gun ownership in America do not apply here"

Thankfully!