topic 10.5% or 19%? in Community Spirit

10.5% or 19%?

davidc4430 — Thu, 24 Nov 2016 23:55:49 GMT

has anyone thought to ask the farmers who hire backpackers weather they prefer 10.5% or 19% after being informed of the repurcussions of one over the other?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-24/backpacker-tax-jacqui-lambie-exchange-with-nff/8055250

looks to me like someone with no farming experience is more interested in the farmers than the NFF.

NFF just going with the lib/nats as usual.

i often wonder just what the farming comunity gets for it blind support of the national party.

i'm hearing lots of complaints about the outback NBN coverage, you would think being half the govt the nationals would want the best possible NBN for it bush supporters not this unreliable EXPENSIVE carp they are getting.

Re: 10.5% or 19%?

icyfroth — Fri, 25 Nov 2016 07:11:17 GMT

I reckon the farmers are so reliant on the backpackers they'd go for anything to keep the them coming back every year.

I think the government is being stupid on this.

Unless they can get the chronically unemployed austalian youth to get out bed and go earn their keep even as fruit pickers, they need to help farmers employ seasonal workers from overseas to help with getting the harvest in. It's after all harvest that gets imported overseas and makes a lot of money for the exporters.

They're worried about money earned in this country going overseas. Really? I'm sure there'd be lots of other areas where big money is going overseas they could be concentrating on.

Why pick on the Backpackers and Farmers? Pretty sure the Backpackers are spending their money on tourism while they're over here.

Re: 10.5% or 19%?

the_great_she_elephant — Fri, 25 Nov 2016 07:11:28 GMT

I think it's also worth mentioning that backpackers won't get the $18,000 tax free threshold that regular workers get, they will pay the tax on every dollar they earn.

Re: 10.5% or 19%?

*tippy*toes* — Fri, 25 Nov 2016 14:23:41 GMT

I did some cherry grading a few years back to earn a few extra bucks. Everyone had to fill out the pink tax form, even the overseas people. They told us to write whatever we liked on the form, but to use our real first name. They even told us to make up a tax file number. I think most farms would have done the same for the seasonale workers. I don't know if that cherry farm still does that, but I can't see any reason why they wouldn't be.

Re: 10.5% or 19%?

davidc4430 — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:01:34 GMT

so there was good ol mister morrison on the evening news monday telling the world he was 'DA MAN!

then labor dumb ass es can go JUMP

so mr morrisin, whats dat on yur face?

LOOKS LIKE EGG MATE!

Re: 10.5% or 19%?

icyfroth — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:47:44 GMT

Erm...what?

Can you explain?

Re: 10.5% or 19%?

davidc4430 — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 09:14:48 GMT

mr morrison was telling everyone the deal was done with the cross bench to get the backpackers bill through at 15% without needing any imput from labor.

unfortunately morrison cant count because one of his 'in the bag' senators wasnt 'in the bag' so the bill didnt get voted through.

i'm not saying it wont get up but it was funny that morrison was out being 'the guy who gets deals done' on monday to today be 'the guy who cant count' lol

glad hes the treasurer hey lol

funny the libs said they wouldnt drop below 19% but the deal that wasnt a deal was for 15%

i expect it will prolly drop again to get that one last vote. be really funny if the drop to something like 11% just so they can say well we didnt go to that crazy 10.5% labor was wanting lol

also today they got their union bashing bill through but from all i can gather its had so many cuts and changes it might as well not have even been put up.

Re: 10.5% or 19%?

lyndal1838 — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 09:33:49 GMT

The ordinary Australian taxpayer who does not get the taxfree threshhold is paying $95 tax on a gross income of $400 so anything below 24% for seasonal workers is good value.

Re: 10.5% or 19%?

davidc4430 — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 09:59:13 GMT

@lyndal1838 wrote:
The ordinary Australian taxpayer who does not get the taxfree threshhold is paying $95 tax on a gross income of $400 so anything below 24% for seasonal workers is good value.

i watched 'the drum' on abc tonight, seems backpackers just 'tick the box' saying they are residents of australia thus recieving the $18.000 tax free threshold. seems no one ever bothers to check up on this loophole. one of the panel members thought maybe something ought to be done about that so any new tax might actually work.

i tend to agree.

Re: 10.5% or 19%?

lyndal1838 — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:24:37 GMT

I have to agree with that David, but on the other hand you can't blame them for trying to minimise the tax they are paying.

There is a heck of a difference between the tax free threshold and the non tax free threshold.

On the $400 I am quoting the rates are $9 and $95 a week. At the end of the day, if they are in Australia long enough to do a tax return they will get most of their tax back when they need it least.

Instead of spending it in Australia while they are here they will take it out of the country when they go home.

Re: 10.5% or 19%?

davidc4430 — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 22:11:20 GMT

maybe the simple way to sort out the who is and who isnt an aussie for tax purposes would be that the person employing someone and therefore paying them is responsible for lodging the paperwork regarding this.

create a taxation form with , name (real not made up), country of origin (backpackers have passports aussies have birth certificates).

add that making false claims will result in 20 year prison terms.

if a person cant prove where they come from ect they dont get the job.

the farmer/employer doesnt want to go to jail so it makes sense to stick to people that have the proof required.

Re: 10.5% or 19%?

chameleon54 — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 23:24:47 GMT

@davidc4430 wrote:
@lyndal1838 wrote:
The ordinary Australian taxpayer who does not get the taxfree threshhold is paying $95 tax on a gross income of $400 so anything below 24% for seasonal workers is good value.
i watched 'the drum' on abc tonight, seems backpackers just 'tick the box' saying they are residents of australia thus recieving the $18.000 tax free threshold. seems no one ever bothers to check up on this loophole. one of the panel members thought maybe something ought to be done about that so any new tax might actually work.

i tend to agree.

It appears no-one checks any part of the tax free threshold system. Our son who is studying at TAFE, works part time at a brand name fast food joint. He has taken a second job at a local take away shop. The boss was going to charge 49 cents in the dollar tax as the son had already claimed the tax free threshold at the first job.

We contacted our accountant who advised us to claim the tax free threshold from both businesses as no-one ever checks. !!!!!

The wife contacted the ATO and got it sorted in the end, but it was all a lot harder than it should have been.

Re: 10.5% or 19%?

davidc4430 — Thu, 01 Dec 2016 00:34:07 GMT

exactly

i was gobsmacked when i learned about the lack of checks and balances in this area.

we are getting all this hullabaloo about a tax of 10.5% or 13% or 15% or 19% or 32% but nothings being said about this giant black hole in the system.

heads should roll IMOP

Re: 10.5% or 19%?

davidc4430 — Thu, 01 Dec 2016 00:41:12 GMT

Turnbull 'unhinged', says Fitzgibbon

A Labor frontbencher has described the Prime Minister as "unhinged" over the federal government's stance on the backpacker tax.

Malcolm Turnbull accused Labor of pandering to "rich white" backpackers from Europe, by wanting to set the tax lower than what is offered to Pacific Island seasonal workers.

It follows ongoing negotiations between the crossbench and the Federal Government.

Shadow Minister Joel Fitzgibbon says Mr Turnbull has insulted workers relied on by farmers.

if i was a "rich white backpacker from europe" dont rekon i'd be picking fruit for anyone, too busy getting blotto in city nightclubs

Re: 10.5% or 19%?

davidc4430 — Thu, 01 Dec 2016 05:12:48 GMT

@davidc4430 wrote:
Turnbull 'unhinged', says Fitzgibbon
A Labor frontbencher has described the Prime Minister as "unhinged" over the federal government's stance on the backpacker tax.

Malcolm Turnbull accused Labor of pandering to "rich white" backpackers from Europe, by wanting to set the tax lower than what is offered to Pacific Island seasonal workers.

It follows ongoing negotiations between the crossbench and the Federal Government.

Shadow Minister Joel Fitzgibbon says Mr Turnbull has insulted workers relied on by farmers.

if i was a "rich white backpacker from europe" dont rekon i'd be picking fruit for anyone, too busy getting blotto in city nightclubs

i would describe our PM as rich and white, wonder how much fruit picking he has done in his life?

or his children??

Re: 10.5% or 19%?

icyfroth — Fri, 02 Dec 2016 05:30:50 GMT

Looks like it's been resolved:

Farmers across the country have expressed relief that the long-running backpacker tax debate has been resolved.

But they remain angry it took so long for federal politicians to agree on a final outcome.

From January, backpackers will be taxed at 15 per cent, with the Government recouping 65 per cent of the workers' superannuation when the backpackers leave the country.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-02/backpacker-tax-passes-farmers-reaction/8086230

Re: 10.5% or 19%?

davidc4430 — Fri, 02 Dec 2016 06:07:23 GMT

all i have to say about this 'deal' is

the greens should learn from history what can happen to little partys who do deals with big partys

remember meg lees and the democrats?

not saying this deal is in the same league as the GST but i fully expect anything promised will prolly not ever get delivered.

if the people wind up getting screwed it'll be the greens that will get the blame.