topic Re: when did we become slobs? in Community Spirit

when did we become slobs?

davidc4430 — Tue, 27 Dec 2016 07:32:43 GMT

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-27/coogee-beach-booze-ban-after-disgraceful-christmas-day/8149670

there is allways a 'few' that do the wrong thing but this is just rediculous!

Re: when did we become slobs?

freddie*rooster — Tue, 27 Dec 2016 07:51:02 GMT

It's shameful - but you know if we walk along the walkway at our local river bank the bins are

few and far between. People are just lazy grubs who won't walk to find a bin for their rubish

same as the dog business people don't bother picking up if they can get away with it. I

often wonder what their homes are like.

Re: when did we become slobs?

lionrose.7 — Tue, 27 Dec 2016 08:55:53 GMT

We have a Drinking ban on the beaches here in NZ, Christmas and New Year.

People are just disgusting leaving their rubbish and trashing beaches where families may want to take their children the next day.

also every dog owner has to carry that poo bag

Re: when did we become slobs?

myoclon1cjerk — Tue, 27 Dec 2016 10:00:47 GMT

1788

Re: when did we become slobs?

davidc4430 — Tue, 27 Dec 2016 11:10:41 GMT

@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
1788

was that when the first mcdonalds wrapper was left on a beach?

Re: when did we become slobs?

lyndal1838 — Tue, 27 Dec 2016 11:12:35 GMT

I'm not sure that Australians have become slobs....I know I haven't.

That article indicates the fault lies with backpackers from the local hostels, not the locals.

Until Randwick Council makes all it's beaches Alcohol Free Zones the "merry makers" will just move on to the next one.

It has already been done to Bondi, Bronte and Tamarama, now Coogee. I suspect Maroubra may be the next beach targetted.

Re: when did we become slobs?

davidc4430 — Tue, 27 Dec 2016 11:38:07 GMT

well it would be good if every person who in the future complains about the 'nanny state' get given a copy of this story with the photos.

Re: when did we become slobs?

lyndal1838 — Tue, 27 Dec 2016 16:03:01 GMT

Are you saying that the Council should not have taken the action that it did?

Unfortunately the action was taken for the good of the local residents. They pay sky high Council rates and expect to be be able to use the beaches without fear of injuries from rubbish left behind by other users.

Both my sets of grandparents moved to Maroubra in th early 1900s.....my parents moved from there in 1967and my maternal grandmother died in 1986 so they saw the sort of destruction of the beaches that had to be repaired by the council over the years.

By the 1960s Randwick Council rates were some 50% higher than Rockdale Council...a council whose area was just south of Randwick but did not contain as many popular surf beaches. The council made it very clear that the upkeep of the beaches was responsible for the high rates.

Re: when did we become slobs?

icyfroth — Tue, 27 Dec 2016 19:49:18 GMT

It's digusting. Very easy to blame the backpackers, but it's not all them. The Aussies are giving them a bad example.

Here on the North Shore of Sydney, people flock down to the harbour to watch the fireworks, and who could blame them?

There's a total ban on alcohol, and bags are searched at the barriers, but it still gets through, evidenced by the large amount of empty bottles left behind.

The amount of trash left on the normally beautiful public areas is astonishing and sickening.

It's actually amazing how quickly the council have the area cleaned and restored to it's normal beauty.

Re: when did we become slobs?

lane-ends — Tue, 27 Dec 2016 21:55:55 GMT

Yet if this was at the Melbourne Cup, media would be reporting it as a great Australian tradition of Aussies having good harmless fun.celebrating an important event

There is a lot of hypocrisy around this sort of behavior.

It is going to happen and is more a matter as to whether the authorities have predicted it and are prepared in advance toi clean up the evidence aftrewards

Re: when did we become slobs?

davidc4430 — Tue, 27 Dec 2016 22:45:03 GMT

"Are you saying that the Council should not have taken the action that it did?"

How did you come to that conclusion?

i absolutly agree with the councils actions.

my comment was about the people who in the future are told they cant take booze to these places complain we live in the nanny state.

they need to be shown why the rules were brought in.

Re: when did we become slobs?

bright.ton42 — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 00:30:54 GMT

@davidc4430 wrote:
well it would be good if every person who in the future complains about the 'nanny state' get given a copy of this story with the photos.

Absolutely. It's disgusting and no excuse. I don't believe for one moment that it's only the fault of the backpackers, Aussies can be as sloppy as the next person. Just a thought and not making any excuse for ther slobs but would it help if there were more bins there, large ones? I can't even see one in the photo though it's a bit blurred.

Re: when did we become slobs?

youcandoityoucandoityoucandoit — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 00:42:50 GMT

No hypocrisy: its disgusting. People who litter are ignorant, selfish and dirty.

No comparison either between the 150 TONNES of rubbish left at Flemington Racecourse after the 2016 Melbourne Cup, which took 750 cleaners to sort out left by people who paid to enter, and the 15 TONNES of rubbish left at Coogee Beach and the park nearby which is a Public amenity, and free to access. 15 or 150 TONNES of litter is a disgraceful amount.

As for 'Nanny state'- pfft bring on nanny!

Re: when did we become slobs?

lane-ends — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 07:21:28 GMT

The hypocrisy comment is aimed at the media coverage. Both are drunken loutish behaviors and should not be encouraged. If people can act like drunken pigs at the races of course they are going to do the same on christmas eve.

Not everyone at the races was a slob but they still had to put up with it, and not be seen to be wowsers, because somehow it is 'the norm'

Re: when did we become slobs?

daydreams_12 — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 05:18:53 GMT

I am not surprised but totally disgusted at the scenes in the link you posted. I lived 500 yards from Coogee beach for the first 50 years of my life. What was to us an absolute heaven now looks little better than a local tip. The whole area has definately changed for the worse over the last 20 or 25 years. I still visit the area at odd times but after this I am not too sure I could stand to see it.

I had better leave it there or I might say something I will be sanctioned for.

Re: when did we become slobs?

johcaschro — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 12:08:02 GMT

"Thousands of drunken revellers packed the popular eastern suburbs beach on Sunday afternoon, leaving a trail of destruction and the council with 15 tonnes of rubbish to clean up."

This was an expected event. an event expected and supported by or at least allowed by the local Council. The number of attendees was predictable.

So, why didn't the Council supply enough rubbish bins to cope with the totally predictable and presumably expected amount of litter?

Who's really to blame here?

Re: when did we become slobs?

icyfroth — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 21:08:22 GMT

@johcaschro wrote:
"Thousands of drunken revellers packed the popular eastern suburbs beach on Sunday afternoon, leaving a trail of destruction and the council with 15 tonnes of rubbish to clean up."

This was an expected event. an event expected and supported by or at least allowed by the local Council. The number of attendees was predictable.

So, why didn't the Council supply enough rubbish bins to cope with the totally predictable and presumably expected amount of litter?

Who's really to blame here?

Slobs that are too lazy pick up the rubbish they create, and take it to the nearest bin.

Re: when did we become slobs?

davidc4430 — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 21:34:50 GMT

when i was growing up we as family picked up our 'rubbish' and if there wasnt a bin under our noses (as it seems people today expect) we took it HOME! and binned it in our own bin.

Re: when did we become slobs?

springyzone — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 21:57:19 GMT

There's a growing trend for parks and areas to do away with public bins. Some have signs saying to take it home & claim they are being environmentally responsible by this approach.

I don't see how, as rubbish is rubbish, no matter whose bin it goes in.

But I have read also that sometimes public bins are set alight. Plus of course there are wages to pay if a council employs people to empty bins.

Banning alcohol would be a good start but it isn't the whole story.

I think we have to be realistic about things. If a big event is planned in an area and you know thousands of people are going to flock to it, especially young people, then they are not going to carry their rubbish around with them all night. They may even be going on to another event.

Councils or organisers need to provide large rubbish containers & several of them, so no one has to travel too far to get to one. They need to publicise the expectations beforehand.

Then fine anyone seen walking away from their litter.

If people know there is a reasonable chance they will be caught and fined, they will make an effort. Not before.

Re: when did we become slobs?

youcandoityoucandoityoucandoit — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 22:29:13 GMT

It's not about 'blame' it's about responsibility.

If people decide 'hey, lets go down to Coogee, take wine/ beer/ chips/ sandwiches etc and have a picnic/ party whatever, there's going to be heaps of people and music..we can all have a good time' what makes them think they are not responsible for the empty bottles, and wrapper from their party? They can bring the **bleep** with them- why can't they carry the empty **bleep** home?

Because Council doesn't provide enough bins for them? Assuming they would even use the bins is wishful thinking.

It's not a lack of bins- it's a lack of intelligence, and an ignorant attitude that someone else will pick up after them.