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Justine: Why was she shot dead?

davidc4430 — Sun, 19 Nov 2017 22:41:20 GMT

Justine Damond Ruszczyk: Why was she shot dead?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-20/justine-damond-ruszczyks-family-seeking-justice-over-shooting/9131074

Re: Justine: Why was she shot dead?

***super_nova*** — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:05:48 GMT

Very strange, especially because she approached the police car from the left and was shot by the guy sitting on the right, shooting across his partner's lap and out of the window.

Re: Justine: Why was she shot dead?

johcaschro — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:50:53 GMT

Why was she shot dead?

Because the policeman saw an unarmed woman in night attire waving her arms about as a deadly threat to his and to his society's safety?

America's love affair with guns was always going to have its casualties.

Re: Justine: Why was she shot dead?

springyzone — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 19:52:06 GMT

@davidc4430 wrote:
Justine Damond Ruszczyk: Why was she shot dead?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-20/justine-damond-ruszczyks-family-seeking-justice-over-shooting/9131074

She should not have been and in Australia, I think it is unlikely she would have been.

We know now that she was an innocent woman in pyjamas, waving her arms, unarmed, and was the person who had placed the call.

So why was she shot? it was night time so I presume the officer just saw a figure rapidly approaching the car, maybe saw an arm up in the air, & was filled with panic, thinking they were about to be attacked. They were out investigating a possible serious assault so they were already in the frame of mind of looking out for an attacker. I'd say in daylight she would have been safe. I'm betting, since she had on pyjamas, that the officer didn't even realise it was a woman.

Does that excuse him shooting? No. Clearly, there should be a real threat before anyone is shot at.

What it does outline though is the level of fear or stress police may be under in USA, possibly because guns are much more common there & they never know if a citizen is going to come at them with one.

Re: Justine: Why was she shot dead?

imastawka — Wed, 22 Nov 2017 01:59:16 GMT

All incorrect assumptions, Springy.

She had approached the police car, and was talking to the driver, when the police officer

in the passenger seat fired at her through the open window - across his driver partner!!

The officer in question was already under investigation for another compaint.

Re: Justine: Why was she shot dead?

davidc4430 — Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:37:31 GMT

i think it shows even though police shooting innocent people is a very common news item in the USA middle class white folk still see the police as good guys who are there to protect them.

i guess the more high profile shooting of white people that occure that may well change.

there are many areas in cities of the USA where coloured people run at the sight of a police cruiser in their neighbourhood.

i rekon the same reaction will be happening in white areas too soon.

its not very difficult to find video evedence on the internet of cops 'earning the hate' on the streets of america. one of the problems are the guys and girls they choose to hire for the job, ex military. people trained to act first then ask questions, which is fine in a war zone but not in residential places.

they have a 'i'm in charge, you do what i say....OR ELSE!' attitude. and the police set up backs them even when they completely screw up. cops rarely face charges for any crimes they commit when wearing their uniforms. if the Department gets sued, its taxpayers who pay the payout, not the officer or even his department.

and the poor smuck whos been set apon by these screwups, they need money to sue, its not free. getting a lawyer to take on govt is not easy and its expensive. if you win you'll most likely lose all you got paying the lawyers.

Re: Justine: Why was she shot dead?

springyzone — Wed, 22 Nov 2017 05:40:26 GMT

@imastawka wrote:
All incorrect assumptions, Springy.

She had approached the police car, and was talking to the driver, when the police officer
in the passenger seat fired at her through the open window - across his driver partner!!

The officer in question was already under investigation for another compaint.

I don't know all the details of the case.

The nearest info i found was

According to Officer Harrity, who was driving the patrol car, as they pulled up to the property the men were startled when a woman slapped the squad car.

Immediately afterwards, Ms Damond Ruszczyk approached the driver's side window in her pyjamas and Office Noor shot her in the stomach.

So it's dark, there is a thump on the car, Noor sees someone approaching his partner's side. It doesn't say in that report she was actually standing at the window talking to his partner, it says she approached the car.

So it sounds to me as if he was spooked.

That doesn't mean I think he should have shot her, but I have my doubts he would have bent around his partner to shoot a woman who was in the middle of a conversation with his partner. To me it would make more sense that he shot her as she went to talk to the partner & the partner, being closer & in a better position to see, was probably horrified as he could tell it was a woman out there.

The officer was far too hasty. For all he knew, if there had been a sexual assault, that could have been the victim running to them.

I still don't think it would be as likely to play out this way in Australia.

Re: Justine: Why was she shot dead?

imastawka — Wed, 22 Nov 2017 05:51:43 GMT

The early reports were much more detailed.

The driver/partner was horrified at the time, but has changed his view and is supporting

the 'official' view.

I'll try to find one of the earliest reports.

Re: Justine: Why was she shot dead?

imastawka — Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:02:35 GMT

Also strange that their body cameras were not turned on - either of them

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/police-shooters-partner-stunned-by-fatal-shooting-of-justine-damond/news-story/2d970505fa5dbdc18361cc38a0bf88bf

This report says he fired multiple times.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-18/justine-damond-minnesota-policeman-had-two-years-experience/8717936

It has been deemed a homicide. Officer Noor and his partner are on paid administrative leave.

Re: Justine: Why was she shot dead?

davidc4430 — Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:17:50 GMT

@imastawka wrote:
The early reports were much more detailed.

The driver/partner was horrified at the time, but has changed his view and is supporting
the 'official' view.

I'll try to find one of the earliest reports.

this is what happens a lot, they back each other up no matter what as going against the 'blue line' is like asking to be black balled.

if an officer gives testimony that makes another officer guilty of a crime, that officer will be hounded out of the force, corruption runs deep in the american police system.

thanks to everyone almost having cameras video showing corruption is getting out. even cops own body cams are catching them out. they know they are wearing cameras and still do stuff, thats how bad things are.

in recent times cops have accidentally filmed themselves planting drugs, shooting people with their hands in the air! FROM BEHIND!

Re: Justine: Why was she shot dead?

davidc4430 — Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:22:11 GMT

Baltimore Cop Caught on Bodycam Planting Drugs at Crime Scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XMdJWhDfMs

read the description under the video, these bright cops thought the cam was not recording.

Re: Justine: Why was she shot dead?

imastawka — Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:37:48 GMT

Don't know how it works, but it says when they turn on the bodycams it has already

recorded the previous 30 seconds without audio.

How dumb are these cops not to know that?

But obviously that's why they want the boycams turned on asap when confronted.

Re: Justine: Why was she shot dead?

jimmy*part4 — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 13:57:59 GMT

Here's my opinion on what happened....

Obama emboldened minorities (mainly African Americans) to resist authority and stand up for their rights. I get the "standing up for their rights", but the time to debate an unfair charge isn't in the streets. I blame him for giving people the false sense that they can have trial right in the streets. There were times when I've had run ins with cops, and yes I realize I'm white, but if I had resisted I could have easily been shot too. It's simple....you comply and use lawyers. Most cases were a person resisting. Did they think the cop would say "okay, good bye" after refusing to show ID or whatever?

Again, obama....he made it so immigrants had more rights and benifits than natural born citizens. Even Illegals. From Somalia....one of the most violent places on the planet. And while he came here as a young (still old enough to be effected), how about his parents? How did they raise him and form the basis of his mentality? I'd say it's a safe bet that his mother had little say in that house (the father ruled with an iron fist.....like the average family in Somalia).

What you now have is foreigner fast tracked into a police force soley because he WAS a foreigner! And a muslim? Funny that I can't find info on that, but everything points to yes. We live in a bazzarro world were negatives are counted as positives.

A man with little respect for woman given a gun and afforded the right to shoot first and ask questions later. WHICH he's still being paid a salary for!

He's a murderer and that woman looks like the type of person we need more of. Instead she's gone, the husband to be is left with a huge hole in his heart....and the muslim murderer will probably get a metal.

Re: Justine: Why was she shot dead?

jimmy*part4 — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 14:21:53 GMT

Here's more proof of what I'm saying is the truth (muslims being protected and rewarded).....

Apparently muslims have a special group within the police force that gives them more rights than someone like myself....who's family goes back generations here. He get's free college and fast tracked into the police force. If my background was his, I'd be disqualified from ever getting on the force. He should have never gotten past the mental evaluation. But he's muslim, so there probably wasn't one! Proof.....

"Mohamed Noor, is known in the townhouse complex where his large family lives as quick-tempered, “jumpy” and “extremely nervous”."

"Forklift driver Chris Miller, 49, has lived next door for the past two years and said he wasn’t surprised to learn Noor was the policeman making international headlines for firing on Ms Damond after she called 911"

“He is extremely nervous ... he is a little jumpy ... he doesn’t really respect women, the least thing you say to him can set him off,” Mr Miller said."

"“He got into it with the kids, they were outside playing and something got stuck in a tree and he came out and he just started yelling at the kids because they were out here playing,” Mr Miller said."

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/neighbour-of-justine-damonds-killer-gives-shocking-new-insight-into-his-behaviour/news-story/34eb2c08676af98afc376d83aaff31dd

Now compare that to this.....

"Abdikadir Hassan, a candidate for the Park Board seat in the Cedar-Riverside neighborhood, said Noor was considered a role model. “He is inspiring to young people in the community,” Hassan said. “He is very supportive and good with the kids. He is such a lovely guy.”

And special protections from, not to mention helping each other, with things like...promoting one another?

"The Somali American Police Association, of which Noor is a member, declined to comment, as did Minneapolis Police Federation President Lt. Bob Kroll. Both said they are waiting for the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension to complete its investigation."

http://www.startribune.com/what-we-know-about-mohamed-noor-minneapolis-police-officer-who-fatally-shot-justine-damond/435018163/#1

Where is my American American park board seat or American American Police Association, etc.?

All these special protections and rights that WE don't recieve, but they do were predicted long before, yet scoffed at by left. Yet here we are. I get why they'd fight for certain rights and previleges....but why would an American born person invest so much time and energy fight for giving up our own rights and give them away?

Now if I went to anyone one of these countries and was so demanding I'd last less then a week before my dead body was dragged through the streets to a cheering crowd.

I'll say it again....you lefties are condemning your own kids and grandkids to a very bleak future! (unless of course you've already bought them a burka and taught the females to keep their heads down and mouth shut!)

Re: Justine: Why was she shot dead?

jimmy*part4 — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 14:28:55 GMT

If that was too long....here's the short version....

I believe that woman WAS talking to them before being shot. I think this guy had it with woman demanding anything and that this woman was excited, "telling" them what to do (ie investigate "them", look over there....hurry up before he gets away, or..."?"). I think he snapped at another opinionated woman (not that I think she was, but from his mind set...).

And yes, he had a history of being rough with women, and that's just what was reported. You can bet there were more incidences.

Re: Justine: Why was she shot dead?

imastawka — Fri, 24 Nov 2017 03:50:14 GMT

Jimmy, I'm sure I read early on that Justine was talking to them through the window

when he just suddenly shot her.

Can't seem to find the report though atm.

And yes, agree with you re the Somalian mind set.

Thought that too, when I first heard.

Re: Justine: Why was she shot dead?

not_for_sale — Fri, 24 Nov 2017 07:51:28 GMT

It seems clear to me that the officer is either mad and/or bad. What's really disgusting is that he was allowed to enforce the law even though earlier complaints had been made about him. Were they not alerted to his mental state? A lot of people in senior positions have let the dead woman down.

Re: Justine: Why was she shot dead?

imastawka — Fri, 24 Nov 2017 08:07:10 GMT

The Police Chief resigned, and protestors hounded the Mayor to resign as well

http://www.smh.com.au/world/minneapolis-police-chief-quits-over-justine-damonds-death-20170721-gxghfo.html