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marwi_3023 — Mon, 19 Nov 2018 05:03:53 GMT

Do they even vet police recruits now

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-19/jenny-leong-facebook-posts-prompt-legal-action/10510430

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springyzone — Mon, 19 Nov 2018 05:18:32 GMT

The answer is yes, they do indeed vet police recruits & it isn't an easy process.

I am surprised by the facebook reports. For starters, police are rather like teachers in that they are advised not to be on facebook or if they absolutely must, not to use their real name under any circumstances and to have it on the highest privacy settings.

I can only think that for Jenny Leong to have seen the posts, one of the man's 'friends' in the force must have taken exception to the comments & messaged a copy to her.

Whoever made the comments, even if the comments were meant as sarcasm or put downs over her stance about the sniffer dog program, they were very foolish. It is one thing to have a go at her in private (even if still inappropriate to bring her race into it) but another to write that sort of thing on social media. My bet is it is someone young. They say the young are 'better' with technology but I have my doubts at times, the young ones don't seem to believe that nothing you write online is necessarily going to stay private.

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marwi_3023 — Tue, 20 Nov 2018 17:06:40 GMT

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-20/police-officer-draws-gun-on-pensioner-and-pepper-sprays-her-dog/10419258

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springyzone — Tue, 20 Nov 2018 20:22:03 GMT

I'm not saying some police officers don't overstep the mark but when you think of how often during their day they are dealing with druggies and random violence, realistically it is sometimes going to happen. And in every profession, you get some who are more competent than others.

Looking at the link you put up, I don't totally believe the first woman. She was driving an unregistered car so she should not have been on the road and that's a big part of why she failed to stop. I'd say after the first minute or so, she was very well aware the police siren & lights were for her.

The police officer was also getting the info that she was unlicensed, which was not true, but that is the info he had.

Now, he should not have pulled a gun straight off but he did have every right to question & fine her & in fact i think the magistrate should have fined her for driving an unregistered car, no matter what was decided about the police officer.

As for the dog being sprayed, we're talking a big dog & the footage shows it lunged at the officer, so i think the reason behind that action is logical, although the dog only lunged as it saw its owner in trouble, I realise that.

The second case, although it is hard to say for sure why the police officers didn't listen to her side of the story when both she & her ex alleged assault, my guess is she is known to police, has a record & has given trouble in the past. They should have recorded her side of the story too though of course.

The phone call she got was unprofessional, for sure.

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marwi_3023 — Tue, 20 Nov 2018 22:20:07 GMT

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-21/nsw-police-officer-fired-after-loaning-uniform-to-friend/10514898

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*kazumi* — Wed, 21 Nov 2018 00:51:25 GMT

I saw that program too. The old woman was travelling very slowly and she did in one stage pull over, the cop did not drive to back of her car but stayed long distance away, so she drove on. And pulled into her house. The dog was playing it did not show any aggression, and she kept saying Please, let me put him inside". But fair enough, if the officer felt threatened, however the point was he sprayed the dog such a way that the old handcuffed woman on the ground was also sprayed. We do not know what was the story about the car not being registered, there could have been some confusion about it, and therefore she was let off.

Footage like that terrifies me; old and disabled people should not be treated roughly. Personally, I would not be able to comply with the cop's requests, I am not physically able to. To start with I could not just get out of the car, I need to brace myself on little gadget in the lock. Then I am not physically able to put my arms behind my back or to get down on the ground. If forced I would experience such pain that I would likely black out. If i was treated these 2 women were I would likely end up with further physical injury. I also know people, some quite young, who suffer from osteoporosis and they would suffered multiple fractures if they were handled as these 2 women were. Cops should not behave this way towards public, there is no excuse.

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davidc4430 — Wed, 21 Nov 2018 01:44:17 GMT

yet another example of why police investigating police is never going to work.

there has to be an idependant body set up for investigating crimes committed by police.

a body with sweeping powers and the powers to apply penalties and/or send individuals to court.

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davidc4430 — Wed, 21 Nov 2018 05:27:34 GMT

@marwi_3023 wrote:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-20/police-officer-draws-gun-on-pensioner-and-pepper-sprays-her-dog/10419258

like wow, how can a man act so cowardly, the dog was as friendly as canbe until he decided to put his hands on the dog in an agressive manner.

to then attack the dog with pepper spray and give commands to a dog (did he really believe a dog would understand his commands?) like he was talking to a human.

then the 'lucky i dont shoot him!' for what, being a nosy but friendly pet?

all this over a fail to stop? the woman wasnt fighting or swearing or anything.

this officer was so 'over the top' its not funny.

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davidc4430 — Sat, 24 Nov 2018 00:37:35 GMT

Fremantle couple tasered by WA Police win fight for more than $1.1 million in damages

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-23/fremantle-couple-tasered-by-wa-police-win-fight-for-compensation/10548772

10 years to get some justice, the 'authorities' throw everything at the innocent to cover up any wrong doing in hope they just give up.

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icyfroth — Sun, 25 Nov 2018 22:25:12 GMT

@marwi_3023 wrote:
Do they even vet police recruits now

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-19/jenny-leong-facebook-posts-prompt-legal-action/10510430

Your thread title says a lot about your attitude to the police.

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marwi_3023 — Sun, 25 Nov 2018 22:49:38 GMT

I'm not referring to all police officers.
I'm referring to the ones that don't do their job

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marwi_3023 — Sun, 25 Nov 2018 22:51:32 GMT

I have very little to do with the police besides roadside breath testing and I have never failed that and I haven't been fined since 1991 and that is because I try my best to to not do anything wrong

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marwi_3023 — Sun, 25 Nov 2018 22:53:50 GMT

I also think that politicians that don't do their job are pigs too and vote accordingly.
Just as the the same as the rest of us in Victoria did

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marwi_3023 — Sun, 25 Nov 2018 22:58:24 GMT

Do you honestly believe that the members of the police force that are a danger to ordinary people should ride on the coat tails of those that are role models

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davidc4430 — Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:35:16 GMT

old saying 'if the shoe fits'

i too respect good cops who do their very best to serve the public in every respect, but those who feel having a badge and gun give them the right to work 'outside the laws' they swore to abide by and uphold, i too would call them names i cant print here.

anyone, be they firemen, police or nurses and doctors (or anyone else) who take on roles of 'looking after' us comoners as a job have a responsibility to allways put personal feeling away when they don their uniforms.

there is no way i could do the shyte these people are asked to do, but i expect those who choose to do it will act with the utmost care and professionalism when 'on the job'

unfortunately since cameras have become a comon item most people carry we get to witness way too many examples of people in uniforms 'letting the side down'

i see many videos online of uniformed 'pigs'

i doubt it will end as so many of them do it even though they know they are being filmed!

no self control.

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rose*petals — Mon, 26 Nov 2018 02:33:50 GMT

I also don't like the term "pigs". There is good and bad in every profession. Just my opinion.

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marwi_3023 — Mon, 26 Nov 2018 02:54:50 GMT

Shouldn't be bad police officers.
They are there to maintain the law

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lyndal1838 — Mon, 26 Nov 2018 03:46:19 GMT

The problems start right from the very early days while the future police officers are in training.

My daughter and family live in Goulburn NSW where the Police Training Academy is located....also the SuperMax Prison.

One morning when my grandchildren were young they were told to get in the car and wait for their mother to take them to school. Suddenly she heard voices yelling.....it was 3 young hoons heckling the kids. They got a bit of a shock when she rushed out in uniform (she was a council ranger) just as her husband arrived home from work in the uniform of a senior Correctional Services officer (works in SuperMax).

He recognised them as trainee police officers and threatened to dob them in if he ever saw them misbehaving again. The rest of the family said he should have reported them there and then....we don't need police officers who will heckle little kids sitting in a car in their own driveway.

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davidc4430 — Mon, 26 Nov 2018 04:59:00 GMT

exactly, respect is earned, not granted because you pass a test.

those young recruits are giving the public cause to not care for police and not trust police.

when your in a situation where calling police is the obvious thing to do you shouldnt be second guessing weather maybe its better to not call.

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icyfroth — Mon, 26 Nov 2018 06:50:16 GMT

@marwi_3023 wrote:
I have very little to do with the police besides roadside breath testing and I have never failed that and I haven't been fined since 1991 and that is because I try my best to to not do anything wrong

Yet you choose to call the police "pigs". Why? What have they ever done to you to warrant that?

If only everybody could live a law-abiding life like you and I and most of us, there'd be no reason to call them that, would there?