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Ray Martin Goes In To Bat For KAK

icyfroth — Thu, 31 Jan 2019 07:50:12 GMT

Veteran broadcaster Ray Martin has warned that the debate over Australia’s indigenous community has become so mired in hate- speech baiting and “poor bugger me” posturing it is getting in the way of the far more urgent challenge of stopping the carnage in Aboriginal communities.

Martin’s comments follow an ugly on-air spat on Monday’s episode of Network 10’s Studio 10 program between fellow panellists Yumi Stynes and TV veteran Kerri-Anne Kennerley.

Stynes said Kennerley was “sounding like a racist” after she asked why Australia Day protesters weren’t doing more for remote indigenous communities where “babies and five-year-olds are being raped … their mothers are being raped”.

That prompted a massive backlash against Kennerley, including calls from protesters for the Logies Hall of Fme inductee to be sacked. Alice Springs councillor and indigenous leader, Jacinta Price, who publicly defended Kennerley in The Australian on Tuesday was so overwhelmed by social media trolls and abusive posts yesterday that Facebook blocked her account.

She said Stynes had used the oldest and most cowardly trick in the book. Shutting down debate by crying racism.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/indigenous/ugly-race-debate-gets-in-way-of-helping-victims-says-ray-martin/news-story/6964693e99bd6f512c492384548ec8a3

Remember Yumi Stynes?

The one that, in 2012 ridiculed war veteran Ben Roberts-Smith, saying he should dive to the bottom of the pool to find his brain. Also that he must be a "dud root" because he's so handsome.

Yeah, she's still around getting various gigs on radio and television.

She needs to be shut down!

Re: Ray Martin Goes In To Bat For KAK

kopenhagen5 — Thu, 31 Jan 2019 09:15:36 GMT

Saw the video and Yumi Stynes is sooo out of line. (Don't know her)

KAK was NOT being racist.

Who is this little upstart anyway ?

Re: Ray Martin Goes In To Bat For KAK

tezza2844 — Thu, 31 Jan 2019 09:35:54 GMT

@kopenhagen5 wrote:
Saw the video and Yumi Stynes is sooo out of line. (Don't know her)

KAK was NOT being racist.

Who is this little upstart anyway ?

Re: Ray Martin Goes In To Bat For KAK

zanadoo_56 — Thu, 31 Jan 2019 10:43:33 GMT

Can't stand either of the them.

I didn't see the current topic but I've seen enough of pushy KAK recently not to want to watch the program as long as she is on it.

Re: Ray Martin Goes In To Bat For KAK

Anonymous — Thu, 31 Jan 2019 11:31:37 GMT

Totally agree with you

Re: Ray Martin Goes In To Bat For KAK

davidc4430 — Thu, 31 Jan 2019 21:56:53 GMT

put them both in the 'jungle' together, that'll be where they belong.

i dont watch much tv but the premise of the 'i was once sort of a celebrity but no one remembers me now' show seems a good venue for these 2.

Re: Ray Martin Goes In To Bat For KAK

icyfroth — Fri, 01 Feb 2019 02:58:57 GMT

@davidc4430 wrote:
put them both in the 'jungle' together, that'll be where they belong.

i dont watch much tv but the premise of the 'i was once sort of a celebrity but no one remembers me now' show seems a good venue for these 2.

Good idea!

Re: Ray Martin Goes In To Bat For KAK

donnashuggy — Fri, 01 Feb 2019 04:32:30 GMT

I don't see anything wrong with changing topic speaking your mind about things that are of concern, the best thing that has come out of this whole stupid fiasco is that the abuse of indigenous is being raised and discussed, there is never enough of that. If the do gooders 5000 of them went to the outback and educated themselves they might actually find something worthwhile marching about.

Re: Ray Martin Goes In To Bat For KAK

the_great_she_elephant — Sun, 03 Feb 2019 02:02:41 GMT

But KAK wasn't simply 'changing' the topic - she was using an unrelated topic in an attempt to criticise those suporting the original one.

The sutability of January 26th as our National Day and the incidence of rape and domestic violence in Aboriginal communities are two separate issues - only related insofar as one is the indirect result of the event celebrated in the other.

Re: Ray Martin Goes In To Bat For KAK

donnashuggy — Sun, 03 Feb 2019 02:11:18 GMT

Well she has definitely put some pressure on the percentage of do-gooders that march for a fashionable cause, those that have possibly never even been to an indigenous community. I personally wish for a change of date. I do feel as you said they are related.

Re: Ray Martin Goes In To Bat For KAK

lyhargr_0 — Sun, 03 Feb 2019 03:26:31 GMT

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
But KAK wasn't simply 'changing' the topic - she was using an unrelated topic in an attempt to criticise those suporting the original one.

The sutability of January 26th as our National Day and the incidence of rape and domestic violence in Aboriginal communities are two separate issues - only related insofar as one is the indirect result of the event celebrated in the other.

But that still didnt make her comments rascist ...... She spoke an uncomfortable truth which many people dont wish to hear.

No matter what date it was held on there would still be protests so why not leave it alone

Re: Ray Martin Goes In To Bat For KAK

not_for_sale — Sun, 03 Feb 2019 04:40:01 GMT

The thing is, KAK used her position to have a go at the protesters, questioning

their integrity and credibility. It seemed to me that she did this because of her

opinions and feelings towards them. Whether this amounts to racism is a matter

of opinion. But she was fully aware of what she was saying and the emotions that

are aroused every year around Australia Day. The response was totally predictable

and maybe that was her whole intention. Lets face it, some of us are going on about

a has been who ordinarily would never get a mention. Well done KAK.

Re: Ray Martin Goes In To Bat For KAK

davidc4430 — Sun, 03 Feb 2019 06:43:33 GMT

my view is most aussies dont care really what day we celebrate 'australia day.

as long as we get a day off and can have a BBQ and a drink and be with mates/family.

but for a section of the population the idea of celebrating the 'invasion' of their land on a day they see as THE day they were invaded is a problem.

so just change the darn day! make it the 16th of jan or the 20th or whatever, and remove the 'we celebrate white folk arriving'

we have history books that show the 26th really isnt of true importance, but we have added carp to it.

so create a real day to celebrate what it is to be australia, the goos stuff, thats the good stuff for all.

why are we celebrating bullshyte? some of the stuff we are suposedly celebrating never happened, not on the 26th!

our PM announces a re-enactment of cooks sailing around australia!

he never did sail around australia!

Re: Ray Martin Goes In To Bat For KAK

icyfroth — Sun, 03 Feb 2019 20:56:50 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
Well she has definitely put some pressure on the percentage of do-gooders that march for a fashionable cause, those that have possibly never even been to an indigenous community. I personally wish for a change of date. I do feel as you said they are related.

I don't see the point in changing the day. What would be the point?

I can understand that the indigenous stance in seeing the 26th Jan 1788 as the begiinning of the end of their culture.

Changing the date wouldn't change that.

If it's going to be such a divisive point, it should be abolished altogether IMO.

Re: Ray Martin Goes In To Bat For KAK

donnashuggy — Mon, 04 Feb 2019 01:08:35 GMT

I think if the date is changed then the nonsense might stop. The gay marriage thing was settled by giving people what they want and we no longer have to listen to the debate!

Re: Ray Martin Goes In To Bat For KAK

azureline** — Mon, 04 Feb 2019 01:46:55 GMT

KAK has had her day in the sun, she is just trying to make a comeback and she has to do it with controversy, with ratings!

Re: Ray Martin Goes In To Bat For KAK

icyfroth — Mon, 04 Feb 2019 07:52:19 GMT

@azureline** wrote:
KAK has had her day in the sun, she is just trying to make a comeback and she has to do it with controversy, with ratings!

ok well we've all had our day in the sun.

Time to hand over to the powers that want to turn off our sun, I guess.

Enjoy!