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Bye bye Tony, Tony goodbye

martinw-48 — Sat, 18 May 2019 10:34:55 GMT

Woo Hoo

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not_for_sale — Sat, 18 May 2019 10:50:05 GMT

Bye, bye Abbott.

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davidc4430 — Sat, 18 May 2019 11:52:35 GMT

maybe he can get his old job back?

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the4masters2013 — Sat, 18 May 2019 21:10:39 GMT

Just as happy to see the end of Fraser Anning.

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Anonymous — Sat, 18 May 2019 23:47:20 GMT

Someone left Tony's onion out in the rain

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gutterpunkz05 — Sat, 18 May 2019 23:56:51 GMT

Bye Bye BILL...............................woo hoo

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chameleon54 — Sun, 19 May 2019 01:10:29 GMT

@gutterpunkz05 wrote:
Bye Bye BILL...............................woo hoo

At least now that Bills gone ( or has he ??? ) Labor can now elect some-one with a bit of substance to provide a decent opposition. Having just lost the unlosable election, the biggest mistake Labor could make now, is to install Albo as leader. Nice bloke, but not PM material.

If Labor can take one thing away from this devestating election loss it is that one of the things voters are votong for is a Prime Minister to represent us on the international stage, not just a bumbling, " good bloke "

Bill Shorton was one of the main reasons Labor lost so badly but has pledged to stay on in parliment. He also has a long record of undermining and knifing past Labor leaders in the back.. The worst result for Labor and the nation would be if he sits there white anting the new leader and becomes the new Tony Abbott. With his past record and untrustworthy nature, this is a frightningly real possibility.

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springyzone — Sun, 19 May 2019 02:20:53 GMT

One thing I noticed (unrelated but a political comment) was that time was being given online to the tweet of some TV star on the project, who stated that the election results showed that Australians were stupid and greedy.

Excuse me? Just because an election doesn't go the way an individual wants doesn't mean everyone who disagreed must be an idiot.

And why should TV stars, on their high wages that other normal mortals can only dream about, feel they have the right to call anyone else greedy?

Sure, people might vote for what they think will be best for them or best for their wallet, but why shouldn't they?

I find that often these stars are very vocal about topics eg climate change, where they are very willing to tell everyone else what they should be doing but they don't necessarily do without themselves or put themselves to any inconvenience.

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davidc4430 — Sun, 19 May 2019 03:12:13 GMT

agreed

with our system of voting we get a pretty good result of what the people want

is it perfect, no

but do we see elections in other countries doing it better, not often.

so scomo has won and we get 3 more years of his tightly knitted team running the country,

will the world end? no

it prolly wont get better but it wont end.

it proves running a small target strategy works.

we saw very little from anyone except scomo during the capaign, the man like tony has a rubber suit, things just bounce off.

where as labor had multiple voices out pounding the airways spreading the word and getting caught up in deatails they couldnt defend.

look at bob hawke, he was a rubberman too, he could cut down a reporter from a hundred yards with one stare.

labor must find another rubberman or face opposition for a long time.

if he could be popular thats a bonus.

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chameleon54 — Sun, 19 May 2019 03:50:20 GMT

@springyzone wrote:
One thing I noticed (unrelated but a political comment) was that time was being given online to the tweet of some TV star on the project, who stated that the election results showed that Australians were stupid and greedy.

Excuse me? Just because an election doesn't go the way an individual wants doesn't mean everyone who disagreed must be an idiot.
And why should TV stars, on their high wages that other normal mortals can only dream about, feel they have the right to call anyone else greedy?
Sure, people might vote for what they think will be best for them or best for their wallet, but why shouldn't they?
I find that often these stars are very vocal about topics eg climate change, where they are very willing to tell everyone else what they should be doing but they don't necessarily do without themselves or put themselves to any inconvenience.

I suspect the highjacking of the media by the left ( and the ABC & The Project is a blatant example ) is one of the reasons the opinion polls got it so wrong. Those on the left side of politics have become rabid in shutting down debate, ( unless it favours their side.) and anyone who dares to challenge the left ideaology is torn to shreds in both the established and social media. The result is most people just quietly keep their opinions and intentions to themselves............Until polling day.

We saw this in America with the Trump election and now in Australia with the LNP victory. Until balance is restored in our media, this will continue to be a problem.

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chameleon54 — Sun, 19 May 2019 03:56:39 GMT

Its not a Rubber man the ALP needs right now, its a Rubber woman. Their are at least two woman on the current ALP shadow cabinet who are more highly skilled and intelligent than any of the union dominated, bone head men. Its time to give female leadership another run.

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not_for_sale — Sun, 19 May 2019 04:05:07 GMT

@chameleon54 wrote:
@gutterpunkz05 wrote:
Bye Bye BILL...............................woo hoo
At least now that Bills gone ( or has he ??? ) Labor can now elect some-one with a bit of substance to provide a decent opposition. Having just lost the unlosable election, the biggest mistake Labor could make now, is to install Albo as leader. Nice bloke, but not PM material.

If Labor can take one thing away from this devestating election loss it is that one of the things voters are votong for is a Prime Minister to represent us on the international stage, not just a bumbling, " good bloke "

Bill Shorton was one of the main reasons Labor lost so badly but has pledged to stay on in parliment. He also has a long record of undermining and knifing past Labor leaders in the back.. The worst result for Labor and the nation would be if he sits there white anting the new leader and becomes the new Tony Abbott. With his past record and untrustworthy nature, this is a frightningly real possibility.

IMO this election outcome was largely due to the reason we have been given for years - the Australian people did not trust Bill Shorten. He was the mastermind behind the back stabbing coups that ousted Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd. I don't think the people have forgotten or forgiven him and his cronies for this. In particular Julia Gillard was not given a fair go. It was disgusting how she was judged by her dress, or shoes, and not by her political skills. Again IMO the best thing the Labor Party could do now is vote a female in as party leader. Make amends, start afresh and build a strong party to develop the policies Shorten spoke about during the election campaign.

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chameleon54 — Sun, 19 May 2019 04:57:39 GMT

@not_for_sale wrote:
@chameleon54 wrote:
@gutterpunkz05 wrote:
Bye Bye BILL...............................woo hoo
At least now that Bills gone ( or has he ??? ) Labor can now elect some-one with a bit of substance to provide a decent opposition. Having just lost the unlosable election, the biggest mistake Labor could make now, is to install Albo as leader. Nice bloke, but not PM material.

If Labor can take one thing away from this devestating election loss it is that one of the things voters are votong for is a Prime Minister to represent us on the international stage, not just a bumbling, " good bloke "

Bill Shorton was one of the main reasons Labor lost so badly but has pledged to stay on in parliment. He also has a long record of undermining and knifing past Labor leaders in the back.. The worst result for Labor and the nation would be if he sits there white anting the new leader and becomes the new Tony Abbott. With his past record and untrustworthy nature, this is a frightningly real possibility.
IMO this election outcome was largely due to the reason we have been given for years - the Australian people did not trust Bill Shorten. He was the mastermind behind the back stabbing coups that ousted Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd. I don't think the people have forgotten or forgiven him and his cronies for this. In particular Julia Gillard was not given a fair go. It was disgusting how she was judged by her dress, or shoes, and not by her political skills. Again IMO the best thing the Labor Party could do now is vote a female in as party leader. Make amends, start afresh and build a strong party to develop the policies Shorten spoke about during the election campaign.

Couldnt agree more with most of your post. I wrote a post 9-10 months ago when Bill Shorten was in trouble saying that if Labor shirked getting rid of him then, they put their election prospects in peril. As usual I copped a fair bit of stick for daring to make the suggestion, but I suspect many in the Labor party regret not axing him when they had the chance. Had Labor gone to the election with Tanya Plebersick as leader they may well be drinking champas today.

As for Gillard, I genuinely had high hopes for her. She had been competent as a union rep and Labor member and I thought she might make a suitable PM. Unfortuntely she became a complete puppet to the union heavyweights who sit in the dark rooms behind closed doors and was not shown the respect either her or the office of PM deserved by both the media, her own party and the some within the LNP opposition.

The only hope is that lessons have been learned and the next female party leader is treated much better.

On the question of the policies Labor took to this election, some of its policies where the right policies at the wrong time ( removing nergative gearing on established rental properties ) and others where simply morally wrong. The removal of claims for franking credits for self funded retirees was a classic example of envy politics and recieved the welcome it deserved. ( and was one of the reasons Labor lost )

I suspect that after another three years of LNP government, we are going to need a Labor government to restore some social equity to our society. I truly hope Labor can retain the experienced shadow cabinet they have, unite behind a quality leader and come out with some responsible policies to assist those at the bottom of our economy without resorting to envy politics. If they can do all of this, the next election result will be very different.

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lyhargr_0 — Sun, 19 May 2019 05:02:20 GMT

Least Palmer didnt waste his 80 million ...... he got what he wanted, a Liberal government

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davidc4430 — Sun, 19 May 2019 07:19:22 GMT

Election 2019: Clive Palmer says Scott Morrison can thank UAP's anti-Labor ads for result

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-19/election-2019-clive-palmer-says-uap-ads-gave-coalition-win/11128160

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twyngwyn — Sun, 19 May 2019 07:32:59 GMT

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womblewa — Sun, 19 May 2019 09:38:22 GMT

When Bob Hawke died Bill Shorten spoke only of Hawke himself and his second wife Blanche.

It took Morrison to acknowledge the contribution of Hazel Hawke to Bob's political life for so many years.

For a man who has so much to say about narrowing the gender gap and the equality of women, I think that was poor of Bill Shorten to not also pay tribute to Hazel, given how much support she offered Bob in earlier times. He could've done that without diminishing Bob's second wife.

I had voted already, but if I had not, as a swinging voter that would have had me thinking a bit harder about whether I wanted to vote for Shorten if I was leaning that way.

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davidc4430 — Sun, 19 May 2019 10:42:19 GMT

@womblewa wrote:
When Bob Hawke died Bill Shorten spoke only of Hawke himself and his second wife Blanche.

It took Morrison to acknowledge the contribution of Hazel Hawke to Bob's political life for so many years.

For a man who has so much to say about narrowing the gender gap and the equality of women, I think that was poor of Bill Shorten to not also pay tribute to Hazel, given how much support she offered Bob in earlier times. He could've done that without diminishing Bob's second wife.

I had voted already, but if I had not, as a swinging voter that would have had me thinking a bit harder about whether I wanted to vote for Shorten if I was leaning that way.

let me get this right, you would consider not voting for shorten because he didnt praise hazel hawke?

you would base your vote on a very monor error by a guy under huge pressure of an election campaign?

not that his figures on what he was planing to do with the economy didnt add up but because he didnt say 'dont forget hazel who stood by bob all those years'

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lyndal1838 — Sun, 19 May 2019 10:49:09 GMT

That is the whole point of swinging voters David.

The slightest thing can make a difference in who they vote for.

Which is worse.....a swinging voter who can be turned around in the last hours of electioneering or a died in the wool Labor/Liberal voter who will not change their vote....ever....no matter what the parties have on offer?

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tezza2844 — Sun, 19 May 2019 11:02:46 GMT

@chameleon54 wrote:
I suspect the highjacking of the media by the left ( and the ABC & The Project is a blatant example ) is one of the reasons the opinion polls got it so wrong. Those on the left side of politics have become rabid in shutting down debate, ( unless it favours their side.) and anyone who dares to challenge the left ideaology is torn to shreds in both the established and social media. The result is most people just quietly keep their opinions and intentions to themselves............Until polling day.

I guess you have never never ever read The Dairy Telegraph, Courier Mail, The Australian, watched Sky channel or listened to Alan Jones and Ray Hadley on Macquarie Radio