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Victoria the next Chinese state

martinw-48 — Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:36:48 GMT

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-14/liberal-gladys-liu-linked-to-secretive-chinese-influence-network/11288210?pfmredir=sm

Re: Victoria the next Chinese state

springyzone — Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:51:51 GMT

You don't need a war to be taken over.

It's in the ballot box that we are going to feel outside influences and cultures impacting in the next generation.

About-must be about 8 years ago now-we had local elections and received the usual pamphlet outlining the policies of each candidate.

I was shocked to read one of them. It was a person who stated outright that he would be looking after the interests of his own particular migrant group, seeing that they got funding for their buildings and activities and so on.

Nothing about how he would help the electorate in general or others.

He didn't get in, but the very fact he could so openly appeal to one group only and think there might be enough votes in that is a worry.

People rabbit on about being mulitcultural but the problem is some areas aren't multicultural enough. They are falling into pockets of just one outside culture.

Re: Victoria the next Chinese state

martinw-48 — Tue, 13 Aug 2019 22:10:14 GMT

Daniel Andrews has set Victoria's future on a precarious path having signed up for the "One Road One Belt" initiative.
This is only able to be rescinded if both parties agree.
It is also extremely vague as to what is expected from us.
I'm glad I have no children.

Re: Victoria the next Chinese state

martinw-48 — Tue, 13 Aug 2019 22:12:57 GMT

It always amazes me that politicians are never able to recall anything

Re: Victoria the next Chinese state

myoclon1cjerk — Wed, 14 Aug 2019 05:09:30 GMT

If the high court upholds the challenge for that federal seat; we might see another independent elected and the government's slim majority disappear.

Re: Victoria the next Chinese state

martinw-48 — Wed, 14 Aug 2019 07:20:55 GMT

Doesn't get rid of Bruce or the Labor candidate

Re: Victoria the next Chinese state

chameleon54 — Wed, 14 Aug 2019 23:40:03 GMT

@springyzone wrote:
You don't need a war to be taken over.
It's in the ballot box that we are going to feel outside influences and cultures impacting in the next generation.

About-must be about 8 years ago now-we had local elections and received the usual pamphlet outlining the policies of each candidate.
I was shocked to read one of them. It was a person who stated outright that he would be looking after the interests of his own particular migrant group, seeing that they got funding for their buildings and activities and so on.
Nothing about how he would help the electorate in general or others.
He didn't get in, but the very fact he could so openly appeal to one group only and think there might be enough votes in that is a worry.

People rabbit on about being mulitcultural but the problem is some areas aren't multicultural enough. They are falling into pockets of just one outside culture.

You don't need a war OR ballot box influence to be taken over by the Chinese. They have legally purchased 9,100,000 Ha of the best, most productive farming land in the country. They are a bees whisker from overtaking England as the largest foreign owner of Australian land.

And its not the barren remote outback stations the Chinese are interested in. Its the prime jewels in our landscape. Our best dairies, high rainfall beef production properties and vineyards.

I,m feeling the pinch directly. A Chinese investor has just purchased one of the vineyards I lease to graze my sheep on. It is one of the main, high profile, boutique wineries in a popular tourist area.

The new owners have got absolutely no idea or care factor about the business, they are just interested in investing some money into high rainfall Australian land. THEY HAVEN'T EVEN VISITED THE PLACE. In the two months they have owned it the whole business has been trashed. The cellar door has closed as the new owners didn't bother to chase up transferring the liquor licence over and long term contracts to bottle shops have gone un-supplied. A bus load of regular wine club visitors who where booked in for tastings where advised after they boarded the bus that the owner had cancelled the day as it wasn't his vision for the business.

The story is Australians are going to miss out on all of this popular vineyards activities. All of the wine produced from the property will be put in 1000 litre shuttles and sent to China where it will grace the tables of wealthy Chinese !!!

And then Australians wonder why our wages and living standards are falling away. We are selling all of our intrinsic wealth and productive capacity to OS investors for a few pieces of silver.

Re: Victoria the next Chinese state

martinw-48 — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:17:13 GMT

Chamo, didn't you just complain that Australians get paid too much?
So capatalism is only no good when someone you don't like buys land.
Free market if Australians don't value our land enough to pay a premium for it then so be it

Re: Victoria the next Chinese state

chameleon54 — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:40:05 GMT

@martinw-48 wrote:
Chamo, didn't you just complain that Australians get paid too much?
So capatalism is only no good when someone you don't like buys land.
Free market if Australians don't value our land enough to pay a premium for it then so be it

Sorry, but you have got my posts completely wrong. First I didnt complain about anything. All I did was try to explain why wages are stagnent and living standards are falling. Please dont shoot the messenger.

I,ll go through it one more time.

In the past, Australians have had very generous wages and living standards BECAUSE as a nation we export large amounts of raw materials per head of population through mining and agriculture. As our population has increased due to government immigration policies ( to prop up the housing and construction sector ) this natural wealth is being spread across more and more people to the point where it can no longer sustain our current living standards for each individual from mining and agricultural wealth.

Instead of this increased population producing increased export income, we have seen our manufacturing sector dissapear and more people employed in the public service and private service industries. While the service sectors make money go round in the economy, they dont actually increase the pool of money, allowing for wage increases by exporting. Basically they dont actually generate any real wealth.

This means less money for wages and less money for social policy, resulting in falling living standards for all Australians, including those on Centrelink payments.

There are several problems with the vineyard I leased and hundreds of other similar businesses being sold to Chinese investors.

The first is the loss of our natural agricultural wealth, exacerbating the problem of less money in the economy feeding into falling living standards for all Australians. The second is that the wine is put in 1000 litre shuttles and exported, meaning a loss of Australian jobs in bottling, marketing and sales. More unemployment and falling living standards.

The third problem is the loss of vibrancy in our community as a well known, reasonably high profile business is taken out of the system. One less winery for bus loads of tourists to visit. One less business to sponsor the local sports club. One less business to promote its produce at food and wine festivals.

The loss of grazing from the vineyard wont affect me at all. I have already restructured my business to compensate and moved on to better things. ( and the previous owner has just purchased a very nice boat with the Chinese investors money and has invited me to go fishing with him....Win Win...... )

What it will do though is further exacerbate the problem of stagnent wages and falling living standards for almost all Australians.

Re: Victoria the next Chinese state

martinw-48 — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 21:39:30 GMT

Enjoy your fishing.
I don't eat fish.
I like my food without micro plastic

Re: Victoria the next Chinese state

martinw-48 — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 21:46:23 GMT

Chamo, did you jump up and down about all the jobs lost in the agricultural sector due to mechanisation.
Before my heart attack I was occasionally employed on a farm but only for fencing and lamb and calf marking.
If the farmer could get it done by himself there was no work.
Rural communities were devastated by mechanical advancement.
Every thing changes
A stupid person laments
A smart person adapts

Re: Victoria the next Chinese state

martinw-48 — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 21:49:32 GMT

My wage isn't stagnant.
As a School Crossing Supervisor I get pay rises.
Unfortunately I might not be able to work for years now with having a frozen right shoulder

Re: Victoria the next Chinese state

chameleon54 — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 23:22:45 GMT

@martinw-48 wrote:
Chamo, did you jump up and down about all the jobs lost in the agricultural sector due to mechanisation.

No I didnt jump up and down. As mentioned a few days ago, I volunteered around 20 hours per week as chairman of a local ecenomic development group that succesfully attracted new businesses and industries into our rural community. The group also facilitated the community purchase and ownership of our main street shopping centre and negotiated with a new bank to provide services when others pulled out of the town.

Before my heart attack I was occasionally employed on a farm but only for fencing and lamb and calf marking.
If the farmer could get it done by himself there was no work.
Rural communities were devastated by mechanical advancement.

Thats true, but it doesnt alter the fact that the THE INCOME earned by those farming businesses, still stayed in Australia. Through our progressive tax system, the export income earned from this mechanised farming worked its way through the system to maintain and improve ( subsidise ) the living standards for all Australians including School Crossing supervisers. Once the farm is sold to the Chinese ( or anyone else OS ) Australians no longer have the benefit of that export income and people working in service industries ( almost all Australians now ) will see their living standards continue to fall as a result.

Every thing changes
A stupid person laments
A smart person adapts

Theres one other little bit you forgot to mention in your very true statement above. A stupid person cant see whats going on around them and just wonders why things are getting tougher for them all of the time..

I am not lamenting at all. I have seen these problems coming for several years now and have already been preparing and adapting. Changes I have made in the last five years include scaling back my ebay business in preparation for the drop in Australian consumer demand and opening most of my ebay listings up to international clients. A week ago this proved its purpose when for the first time in my ebay sales career over half of my sales where to International clients. My sales are holding up well when most sellers are reporting large falls.

As I have scaled back ebay, I have built a sheep grazing business. This is now fully mature and producing good income streams. Prime lamb is holding its value well on international markets to the point where, like lobster it is becoming a luxery product that Australians can no longer afford. Australia is the largest exporter of Lamb in the world and as such is more immune to global economic shocks than other bulk agricultural commodities such as beef or grains.

On the wool front I have moved my production away from bulk wool to the very top, premium segment. Again this proved its worth recently when the last lot of wool I sold topped the market Australia wide for that weeks sales. When things get tough, bulk commodities will sag in value, but the ultra high end products servicing the super rich will still be in demand and still command good prices.

People think they cant do anything to adjust to changing global circumstances. That it is only governments and big business that can respond. I am just a single person, home based operator, but I have made dramatic changes to the way I earn my income to adapt to changing Australian and global forces. Selling stuff on ebay that international buyers may be interested in and mailing OS are things anyone can do very easily. Starting a business that sells premium products or produce on the international market is a bit harder, but still can be done if people have the drive and initiative.

Re: Victoria the next Chinese state

martinw-48 — Fri, 16 Aug 2019 00:07:10 GMT

I have a fool proof plan.
I will die.
Have no children.
You can't fight change.

Re: Victoria the next Chinese state

martinw-48 — Fri, 16 Aug 2019 00:11:18 GMT

My living standard has been the same since John Howard destroyed it.
Recently it actually improved slightly because I have paid my mortgage.
Thirty dollars a week more in my pocket but unfortunately I lose money when I work because I have to drive 720 kilometres every week and I lose some of my benefit.
Now I have a frozen shoulder and can't work I have more spending money

Re: Victoria the next Chinese state

martinw-48 — Fri, 16 Aug 2019 00:15:20 GMT

Yes, my mortgage was thirty dollars a week.
I borrowed sixteen thousand to purchase a twenty thousand dollar house.
My AU series I Falcon cost more than my house and now it is worthless to anyone but me

Re: Victoria the next Chinese state

martinw-48 — Fri, 16 Aug 2019 00:20:32 GMT

Not all foreign owners of farms lock out the locals.
There is a very large farm owned by Muslims (oh no the worst people on earth)
They use locals for their managing and all their sheep work and buy superphosphate from a local supplier

Re: Victoria the next Chinese state

martinw-48 — Fri, 16 Aug 2019 00:23:39 GMT

Vicroads pays the local Shire council to employ the School Crossing Supervisors.
Vicroads is immune to foreign farm ownership

Re: Victoria the next Chinese state

martinw-48 — Fri, 16 Aug 2019 00:24:44 GMT

I don't see any Chinese registered vehicles in Australia

Re: Victoria the next Chinese state

martinw-48 — Fri, 16 Aug 2019 00:25:39 GMT

Forgein farm owners still have to pay council rates