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Australian dies from coronavirus

davidc4430 — Sun, 01 Mar 2020 11:27:15 GMT

Australian dies from coronavirus COVID-19 in Perth after infection on Diamond Princess ship

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-01/australia-records-first-coronavirus-death-perth-man-cruise-ship/12014742

Re: Australian dies from coronavirus

myoclon1cjerk — Sun, 01 Mar 2020 12:51:46 GMT

One has died in the U.S too. Mike Pence obviously didn't pray hard enough.

Re: Australian dies from coronavirus

martinw-48 — Sun, 01 Mar 2020 13:11:42 GMT

No myo he did.
The person that died wasn't a Trump supporter

Re: Australian dies from coronavirus

springyzone — Sun, 01 Mar 2020 22:56:34 GMT

I see the passenger was from the Diamond Princess and elderly, so he would have been one of the high risk patients, unfortunately.

I am very suspicious of the sheer number of passengers on that ship who came down with it, even though they were placed in quarantine within the ship. I suspect the air conditioning might have helped spread the virus. You can't turn it off or control it, not in the inside cabins anyway.

I was reading that Australian school cleaners were recently sent emails inviting them to a top job, short term (6 days I think) good pay, free travel, protective clothing supplied.

It was to be flown in to clean the Diamond Princess.

Now, that's a worry. I worked in schools for years, got to know the cleaners well. You do, you chat to them all the time as they go about their work before & after school. I know that the companies that employ them allow very little time to do the job, as in, they only get paid for a set amount of hours at the school, it is not top pay and the calculated hours tend to be on the optimistic side.

One of the cleaners told me that after you factored in emptying all bins to the dumper, cleaning toilet blocks, staffroom etc, each classroom needed to be cleaned within about 3-4 minutes.

You know how big a classroom is. That's not a lot of time to vacuum, mop, clean windows, get down cobwebs, clean sinks etc

What are the odds that the company would also be pushing the workers on the Diamond Princess to the max?

Time is money.

Then of course, the cleaners given the job would be coming back to clean schools, mixing it with the kids, staff, parents. Another top idea by someone.

PS Just as a matter of interest, who would be willing to pop onto the Diamond Princess any time soon for a cruise? Not I, not for a few months.

Re: Australian dies from coronavirus

martinw-48 — Sun, 01 Mar 2020 23:01:27 GMT

My EC tried to force me to take a job as a School cleaner but I refused because you don't get paid for any extra time you have to put in and being a diabetic intense physical effort and in summer high heat cause me to go hypo very easily and I pointed out that if I die at work they're no longer going to get their money for getting me a job

Re: Australian dies from coronavirus

springyzone — Sun, 01 Mar 2020 23:15:08 GMT

I think they should get paid more for what they are expected to do, Martin. It is quite heavy work in all weather, you're right.

But it is also broken shifts. They have to be there quite early in the morning, put in a couple of hours or so, then back on duty from about-not sure, about 2pm maybe-till about 7pm. Normally there till about 7.30pm though.

Re: Australian dies from coronavirus

martinw-48 — Sun, 01 Mar 2020 23:24:22 GMT

It was summer when they tried to force me to take the job on and I was going to have to start a half hour later due to my School Crossing Supervisor duties and then work through tea time and with the diabetes being diet controlled it's important that I maintain regular meal times.
None of my concerns were being listened to until I said that the possibility of me actually dying due to a hypo that it sunk in that then they wouldn't get their money.
Unfortunately for the Job Network agencies nothing matters but the money.

It's extremely sad that this person has passed away and I think they should have been taken off the ship immediately and quarantined in Australia because there was obviously a lack of proper procedure being maintained on that ship.
All those people need to sue that company, they put their lives at risk for way too long

Re: Australian dies from coronavirus

davidc4430 — Sun, 01 Mar 2020 23:41:05 GMT

maybe they should hire chinese people, then they wont be risking 'clean' people?

i'm kidding of course.

Re: Australian dies from coronavirus

davidc4430 — Mon, 02 Mar 2020 22:17:35 GMT

Coronavirus COVID-19 has begun spreading in Australia. So, what happens now?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-03/coronavirus-covid-19-has-begun-spreading-within-australia/12018688

last night on telly they had a program all about this virus

then put on a hollywood movie about an outbreak of a virus, yup, takin it serious arnt we.

Re: Australian dies from coronavirus

davidc4430 — Mon, 02 Mar 2020 22:22:14 GMT

New laws proposed to make it easier to detain or quarantine people exposed to coronavirus in SA

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-02/laws-introduced-to-help-detain-coronavirus-sufferers-in-sa/12017386

lets hope we dont see people getting grabbed because they sneeze.

i'm no expert but i think by the time you show symptoms you have allready possible spread the virus to others.

so i'm not sure how effective quarantining people will be.

Re: Australian dies from coronavirus

springyzone — Mon, 02 Mar 2020 22:34:44 GMT

@davidc4430 wrote:
maybe they should hire chinese people, then they wont be risking 'clean' people?

i'm kidding of course.

I know you're kidding but it does beg the question-why Australian cleaners?

The ship is docked in Japanese waters.

It is a British registered ship.

We're talking specialised cleaning (or we should be) of a contaminated site.

So.. why school cleaners in Australia?

I'm guessing it is because they make up a big base of the cleaning company's workers, so it was easy & convenient to contact them en masse.

Personally, I would have thought a troup of Japanese cleaners would have been the most logical thing.

Re: Australian dies from coronavirus

springyzone — Mon, 02 Mar 2020 22:51:21 GMT

@davidc4430 wrote:
New laws proposed to make it easier to detain or quarantine people exposed to coronavirus in SA

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-02/laws-introduced-to-help-detain-coronavirus-sufferers-in-sa/12017386

lets hope we dont see people getting grabbed because they sneeze.

i'm no expert but i think by the time you show symptoms you have allready possible spread the virus to others.

so i'm not sure how effective quarantining people will be.

I bet it does come to almost exactly that.

I know that any time I have been on a cruise, for example, I have had to fill in a form to tick I am well, not currently suffering any infection.

That's in normal times. I would imagine crew and passengers on cruises, planes etc are hyper alert and there are a lot of things people can come down with besides the corona virus.

I'd hate to have a slight cold and try to be hopping on a cruise etc

Re: Australian dies from coronavirus

davidc4430 — Tue, 03 Mar 2020 22:43:32 GMT

If vulnerable communities are more susceptible to the spread of coronavirus, what does that mean for Australia?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-04/coronavirus-covid-19-healthcare-system-australia-vulnerabilities/12016140

Re: Australian dies from coronavirus

rogevibe — Tue, 03 Mar 2020 23:06:31 GMT

@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
One has died in the U.S too. Mike Pence obviously didn't pray hard enough.

and like the US will have only blocked travellers from China and Iran , somewhow considering that those of Korea, Italy and Japan are of no infection threat.

Look for policy changes that are a little to in harmony with other countries - as this may be detrimental to Australia as our culture , national mentality , applied attitudes and circumstances such as social supports resulting in better health , may have advantage which may become negated .

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rogevibe — Wed, 04 Mar 2020 00:14:46 GMT

@davidc4430 wrote:
If vulnerable communities are more susceptible to the spread of coronavirus, what does that mean for Australia?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-04/coronavirus-covid-19-healthcare-system-australia-vulnerabilities/12016140

Seems a certain critical mass social environment is a large factor in how servere the inefction is - the virus is of the same family as the common cold - so the hint is to consider experience regarding catching or avoiding common cold infections

Once is rampant : Observed factors

dreary winter time , reduced sunshine , overcrowded venues , other infections like cold , shared heating systems , reduced physical activity , shared meals with visitors .

Re: Australian dies from coronavirus

rogevibe — Wed, 04 Mar 2020 00:25:07 GMT

@springyzone wrote:
I see the passenger was from the Diamond Princess and elderly, so he would have been one of the high risk patients, unfortunately.

I am very suspicious of the sheer number of passengers on that ship who came down with it, even though they were placed in quarantine within the ship. I suspect the air conditioning might have helped spread the virus. You can't turn it off or control it, not in the inside cabins anyway.

I was reading that Australian school cleaners were recently sent emails inviting them to a top job, short term (6 days I think) good pay, free travel, protective clothing supplied.
It was to be flown in to clean the Diamond Princess.

Now, that's a worry. I worked in schools for years, got to know the cleaners well. You do, you chat to them all the time as they go about their work before & after school. I know that the companies that employ them allow very little time to do the job, as in, they only get paid for a set amount of hours at the school, it is not top pay and the calculated hours tend to be on the optimistic side.
One of the cleaners told me that after you factored in emptying all bins to the dumper, cleaning toilet blocks, staffroom etc, each classroom needed to be cleaned within about 3-4 minutes.
You know how big a classroom is. That's not a lot of time to vacuum, mop, clean windows, get down cobwebs, clean sinks etc

What are the odds that the company would also be pushing the workers on the Diamond Princess to the max?
Time is money.
Then of course, the cleaners given the job would be coming back to clean schools, mixing it with the kids, staff, parents. Another top idea by someone.

PS Just as a matter of interest, who would be willing to pop onto the Diamond Princess any time soon for a cruise? Not I, not for a few months.

Better if they bring the ship here to Sydney harbour and we can use it as a hospital ship for covid-19 cases in the event that it becomes rampant

Re: Australian dies from coronavirus

davidc4430 — Wed, 04 Mar 2020 01:45:40 GMT

i heard a discussion on using ships as floating hospitals and the 'experts' said it was a bad idea as ships are not designed to contain a virus so instead of curing people it would more likely just keep reinfecting those on board, including doctors and nurses.

but then as this virus is an airborn thing i doubt the current quarantine regimes will do anything to stop it, might slow it a bit.

people are being found carrying it from all over the place.not just china.

fingers crossed they can find a vaxine or something soon.

Re: Australian dies from coronavirus

rogevibe — Wed, 04 Mar 2020 02:17:19 GMT

@davidc4430 wrote:
i heard a discussion on using ships as floating hospitals and the 'experts' said it was a bad idea as ships are not designed to contain a virus so instead of curing people it would more likely just keep reinfecting those on board, including doctors and nurses.

but then as this virus is an airborn thing i doubt the current quarantine regimes will do anything to stop it, might slow it a bit.

people are being found carrying it from all over the place.not just china.

fingers crossed they can find a vaxine or something soon.

well there would be modifications like medical UVC lighting within ventilation ducts , replacing carpet with lino etc - cheaper than a new hospital although probably better still are 20 foot shipping containers cut in half and lined up on 90 mile beach might be a healthier lower cost alternative , fresh salty sea air , sunshine , inspiring view, afternoon breeze to air trhe ward , easy to keep sanitary , support staff housed over the dunes

Re: Australian dies from coronavirus

rogevibe — Wed, 04 Mar 2020 12:30:26 GMT

@davidc4430 wrote:
i heard a discussion on using ships as floating hospitals and the 'experts' said it was a bad idea as ships are not designed to contain a virus so instead of curing people it would more likely just keep reinfecting those on board, including doctors and nurses.

but then as this virus is an airborn thing i doubt the current quarantine regimes will do anything to stop it, might slow it a bit.

people are being found carrying it from all over the place.not just china.

fingers crossed they can find a vaxine or something soon.

Now someone has contracted the disease without having visited China

Re: Australian dies from coronavirus

rogevibe — Wed, 04 Mar 2020 12:36:19 GMT

@davidc4430 wrote:
If vulnerable communities are more susceptible to the spread of coronavirus, what does that mean for Australia?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-04/coronavirus-covid-19-healthcare-system-australia-vulnerabilities/12016140

Wake up and take precautions similar to avoiding the common cold