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War crimes

martinw-48 — Sun, 15 Mar 2020 21:17:39 GMT

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-16/new-allegations-unarmed-civilians-killed-by-sas-in-afghanistan/12028448?utm_source=abc_news&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_content=link&utm_campaign=abc_news

We have to face up to the truth and prosecute those who have committed these crimes

Re: War crimes

davidc4430 — Sun, 15 Mar 2020 21:48:23 GMT

they are protected by evil governments who i suspect will set the federal police onto the reporters once again to attempt to 'make this go away'

raids on the ABC offices and reporters homes, prolly in the dead of night.

after the last raids i rekon reporters and media outlets have their 'documents' well hidden from idiot plods.

Re: War crimes

*kazumi* — Sun, 15 Mar 2020 22:03:23 GMT

The only way people can go to war to kill others is if they demonize them and get to hate them. It is easy to hate people who you see as somebody trying to kill you/ That is why there always be war crimes in war, and why more moral men come home damaged, and the suicide rate among veterans is so high.

And on the other hand, the Taliban are fighting for their country, as unpalatable for us their ideas are; it is still their country.

Re: War crimes

go-tazz — Mon, 16 Mar 2020 00:05:56 GMT

@*kazumi* wrote:

And on the other hand, the Taliban are fighting for their country, as unpalatable for us their ideas are; it is still their country.

They are not fighting for their country.

They are fighting for their control back so they can enforce their strict interpretation of Sharia or Islamic law

and continue their brutal treatment of others especially women.

They committed a large number of massacres in Afghanistan as well as their scorched Earth policy where they

burnt fertile farmland and destroyed tens of thousands of home as well as denying help for over a hundred

thousand starving people.

They were responsible for close to 80% of Afghanistan around 10 years ago and have destroyed a lot of

cultural history especially anything relating to Buddhism.

Osama Bin Laden fought for them.

Re: War crimes

rogevibe — Mon, 16 Mar 2020 00:55:32 GMT

I only know information about this issue from that mentioned via the link, however one must factor in a different countries code of conduct , their culture rules - a bit difficult to pursue a case if the alleged victims are not considered victims by the pertinent community, possibly a tragedy but no crime ?

Re: War crimes

domino-710 — Mon, 16 Mar 2020 01:13:36 GMT

It's got not much to do with the codes of the countries.

It's determined by the code of the Australian Army - and deemed a criminal offence.

Re: War crimes

rogevibe — Mon, 16 Mar 2020 01:39:48 GMT

@domino-710 wrote:
It's got not much to do with the codes of the countries.

It's determined by the code of the Australian Army - and deemed a criminal offence.
Therefor there is due process

Re: War crimes

martinw-48 — Mon, 16 Mar 2020 19:47:31 GMT

Where is anything but a crime in the video in this article

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-16/video-shows-afghan-man-shot-at-close-range-by-australian-sas/12028512?utm_source=abc_news&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_content=link&utm_campaign=abc_news

Re: War crimes

martinw-48 — Mon, 16 Mar 2020 19:51:11 GMT

The ADF is covering up criminal activity.
It's appauling.
Just like when cops investigate themselves and find no wrong doing.
That mans children will have a hatred towards the western invaders that will fuel this war for another generation and in my eyes they're justified

Re: War crimes

davidc4430 — Mon, 16 Mar 2020 20:53:23 GMT

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/four-corners-sas-allegations-war-crimes/12028522

this what happenes when you get involved with wars you shouldnt be involved in

the men and women we send are trained killers not doctors and nurses, their job is killing, and they are not trained to think before pulling the trigger.

its see a target, shoot the target.

and a dead target is a safe target.

man, woman, child, guilty or innocent, doesnt matter

Re: War crimes

davidc4430 — Mon, 16 Mar 2020 21:04:23 GMT

@davidc4430 wrote:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/four-corners-sas-allegations-war-crimes/12028522

this what happenes when you get involved with wars you shouldnt be involved in
the men and women we send are trained killers not doctors and nurses, their job is killing, and they are not trained to think before pulling the trigger.
its see a target, shoot the target.
and a dead target is a safe target.
man, woman, child, guilty or innocent, doesnt matter

we are suposed to be the 'good guys'

all australians should be ashamed these men are acting in our name on foreign soil and be demanding our leaders explain why they should not be held personally responsible!

if not for our PM we would not be there!

Re: War crimes

bright.ton42 — Mon, 16 Mar 2020 21:48:28 GMT

@davidc4430 wrote:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/four-corners-sas-allegations-war-crimes/12028522

this what happenes when you get involved with wars you shouldnt be involved in
the men and women we send are trained killers not doctors and nurses, their job is killing, and they are not trained to think before pulling the trigger.
its see a target, shoot the target.
and a dead target is a safe target.
man, woman, child, guilty or innocent, doesnt matter

No, this is what happens with ANY war.

Naive to think otherwise.

People who love to kill and under the guise of doing it for their country.

Re: War crimes

myoclon1cjerk — Tue, 17 Mar 2020 01:34:39 GMT

There were some nasty things happening in Vietnam at the hands of Australians too. This is not new, but to cover it up and then send your dogs to shut the press up is not how real democracies work.
This goverment is hell bent in shutting down anyone that they see as a threat - whistleblowers, journalists and the ABC.

Re: War crimes

the_great_she_elephant — Tue, 17 Mar 2020 02:24:21 GMT

@bright.ton42 wrote:
@davidc4430 wrote:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/four-corners-sas-allegations-war-crimes/12028522

this what happenes when you get involved with wars you shouldnt be involved in
the men and women we send are trained killers not doctors and nurses, their job is killing, and they are not trained to think before pulling the trigger.
its see a target, shoot the target.
and a dead target is a safe target.
man, woman, child, guilty or innocent, doesnt matter
No, this is what happens with ANY war.
Naive to think otherwise.
People who love to kill and under the guise of doing it for their country.
.
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And on the other side of the coin there is one country in the world that annually welcomes to its shores a mob of foreigners come to commemorate their fellow countrymen who died trying to invade it

Re: War crimes

martinw-48 — Tue, 17 Mar 2020 02:33:59 GMT

Money talks t g s e

Re: War crimes

the_great_she_elephant — Tue, 17 Mar 2020 04:43:21 GMT

"Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives ... You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours ... You, the mothers who sent their sons from faraway countries, wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well."

These words are attributed to Kemal Ataturk in a speech he is said to have delivered on ANZAC Day in 1934. There is some debate now over whether he really did speak them, but he quite definitely did say on various occasions

"The landing at Gallipoli on April 25, 1915, and the fighting which took place on the peninsula will never be forgotten. They showed to the world the heroism of all those who shed their blood there. How heartrending for their nations were the losses that this struggle caused.”

Also “Whatever views we of the present or future generations of Turks may hold in regard to the rights or wrong of the world war, we shall never feel less respect for the men of Anzac and their deeds when battling against our armies … They were nearer to achieving the seemingly impossible than anyone on the other side yet realises.”

And “The Turks will always pay our tribute on the soil where the majority of your dead sleep on the windswept wastes of Gallipoli.”

That doesn't sound to me like money speaking.

Re: War crimes

martinw-48 — Tue, 17 Mar 2020 05:30:27 GMT

That's true t g s E.
That wasn't money talking but you can't dispute that there's bucket loads of money made now by letting Aussies on their soil to commemorate ANZAC day

Re: War crimes

davidc4430 — Wed, 18 Mar 2020 00:51:39 GMT

Former chief of Defence 'shocked' at video of Australian SAS soldier killing unarmed Afghan man

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/former-defence-chief-shocked-at-vision-of-soldier-killing-man/12064044

whats more important

what does our current chief of defence think?

Re: War crimes

lyndal1838 — Wed, 18 Mar 2020 02:43:21 GMT

You will get a more honest response from a former Defence Force Chief than the current one.

He has no long got his neck on the chopping block where he could lose his job if he does not toe the government line.

Re: War crimes

davidc4430 — Thu, 19 Mar 2020 21:31:18 GMT

Soldier who shot an unarmed Afghan man suspended from duty by Australian Army

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/australian-army-soldier-suspended-from-duty/12072846

suspended?

he should be under arrest while investigations procede!

and what about all the other murderers in the SAS?