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biggest stuffup so far?

davidc4430 — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 00:52:03 GMT

i'm thinking the allowing the ship into port in sydney and letting everyone leave the ship without any testing.

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not_for_sale — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 01:17:16 GMT

@davidc4430 wrote:
i'm thinking the allowing the ship into port in sydney and letting everyone leave the ship without any testing.

I probably agree with you David. It was a terrible and incompetent stuffup. Sadly, I see one of the people from that ship has died.

Out of curiosity, what do you think is the biggest achievement so far, or are there too many to decide?

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davidc4430 — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 01:24:10 GMT

@not_for_sale wrote:
@davidc4430 wrote:
i'm thinking the allowing the ship into port in sydney and letting everyone leave the ship without any testing.
I probably agree with you David. It was a terrible and incompetent stuffup. Sadly, I see one of the people from that ship has died.

Out of curiosity, what do you think is the biggest achievement so far, or are there too many to decide?

raising the unemployment to double

sadly the centrelink debacle has spoiled it somewhat, but it was a big surprise anouncement and a good one.

i hope when this things is over they dont drop it back to where it was but i think it will be reduced prolly close to where it was.

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lyhargr_0 — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 01:25:02 GMT

@davidc4430 wrote:
i'm thinking the allowing the ship into port in sydney and letting everyone leave the ship without any testing.

Yeah, it prob was BUT it's happened now, so perhaps instead of complaining about it, folk could put that excess energy into praying/hoping that not to many people will be affected because of it

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davidc4430 — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 01:33:31 GMT

NSW Government grilled over handling of coronavirus issues on Ruby Princess — full press conference

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-25/coronavirus-nsw-government-grilled-over-ruby-princess-arrival/12087784

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not_for_sale — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 01:42:34 GMT

raising the unemployment to double

sadly the centrelink debacle has spoiled it somewhat, but it was a big surprise anouncement and a good one.
i hope when this things is over they dont drop it back to where it was but i think it will be reduced prolly close to where it was.

The advice this morning is that the country is approaching a social and economic shutdown. If this thing does end, whatever Government in power will have a massive economic challenge. I can only imagine how long it will take for the economy to recover.

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go-tazz — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 02:07:24 GMT

@davidc4430 wrote:
i'm thinking the allowing the ship into port in sydney and letting everyone leave the ship without any testing.

That was one big stuff up when you consider that there are cruise ships everyone prevented from entering ports

for this very reason.

Now trying to deflect blame and saying they didn't know is just garbage.

That very decision to let them disembark will add a possible month or more to the recovery time frame and

the possible death rate.

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kopenhagen5 — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 02:38:01 GMT

@davidc4430 wrote:
i'm thinking the allowing the ship into port in sydney and letting everyone leave the ship without any testing.

Were all those people required to self isolate ?

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icyfroth — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 02:41:48 GMT

Goodbye liberty...

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bright.ton42 — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 02:53:22 GMT

@not_for_sale wrote:

The advice this morning is that the country is approaching a social and economic shutdown.

Advice from whom exactly.

I really think with all the alarmist rumours going round we need specific links.

I know I've been guilty of not always providing them but I do try to point out that its' hearsay.

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not_for_sale — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 02:55:52 GMT

The advice was openly provided by Sky News based upon the advice provided by the Prime Minister this morning.

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*kazumi* — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 03:18:46 GMT

There is nothing "alarmist" about realising that we are on the same trajectory as Italy and UK, we are just few weeks behind these countries, and many people are watching SKY and listen to likes of Jones (who broadcast from his country estate) and then go to the beach. Just like in the US they had New Orleans mardi gras and now, they have hundreds of people who attended geting sick.

Here in Australia we do not have enough masks for the hospital staff; in Wuhan the government distributed masks for free to everybody, they had people on every corner measuring people's temperature and issuing them with masks. Later they would fine anybody not wearing mask. Here not only there are no masks to give out, they are not available to buy. Yes, allowing the ships to dock and letting the people disembark without being tested and instructed to self isolate, was bad; not making sure there are masks for not just the health workers, but for EVERYBODY to use when we have to go out to queue for food or at centrelink.

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davidc4430 — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 03:23:38 GMT

the one that stands out to me is the 'hairdressers'

makes no sense to me, not getting your hair cuts not going to make you sick.

sitting in a chair with someone actually touching you for 30 minutes might.

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not_for_sale — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 04:57:04 GMT

@davidc4430 wrote:
the one that stands out to me is the 'hairdressers'

makes no sense to me, not getting your hair cuts not going to make you sick.
sitting in a chair with someone actually touching you for 30 minutes might.

It kinda stands out to me too. I guess at the moment it's all a fine balancing act. The Government doesn't want to stop services and cause job losses if compliance with the guidelines for safe distancing etc. are met. As of today they think hair dressers and barbers are (hopefully) safe if they follow the rules. But who knows what the case will be tomorrow or next week.

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davidc4430 — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 05:28:22 GMT

@not_for_sale wrote:
@davidc4430 wrote:
the one that stands out to me is the 'hairdressers'

makes no sense to me, not getting your hair cuts not going to make you sick.
sitting in a chair with someone actually touching you for 30 minutes might.
It kinda stands out to me too. I guess at the moment it's all a fine balancing act. The Government doesn't want to stop services and cause job losses if compliance with the guidelines for safe distancing etc. are met. As of today they think hair dressers and barbers are (hopefully) safe if they follow the rules. But who knows what the case will be tomorrow or next week.

if a hairdresser was infected would 30 minutes standing over a customer breathing all over them, usually talking, no mask on

be long enough to transfer the virus?

hands up anyone willing to test the theory its not?

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bright.ton42 — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 06:35:46 GMT

@not_for_sale wrote:
The advice was openly provided by Sky News based upon the advice provided by the Prime Minister this morning.

Thanks nfs.

Grim isn't it.

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not_for_sale — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 06:43:42 GMT

if a hairdresser was infected would 30 minutes standing over a customer breathing all over them, usually talking, no mask on
be long enough to transfer the virus?
hands up anyone willing to test the theory its not?

What about the hairdresser who may have to be breathed on by ten different customers in a day. Arguably, they have a ten times greater chance of contracting the virus from a customer.

I think we need to keep this in perspective and listen to the advice around risk while the Government works on ways each day to come up with guidelines to try and contain the virus and maintain as many services and jobs as is reasonably possible. For example, our nurses and doctors are at the front line taking huge risks. Several have died overseas. It is frightening to think what they will confront over the coming months. Do we want the situation to become one where hospital and health services are shut down. Absolutely not, and the concept is unimaginable. So extra safety measures will need to be taken as the risk to nurses, doctors and patients etc. increases.

The welfare and life of a hairdresser is no different to that of a nurse or doctor IMO. But the current and future risk - well that is quite different.

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*kazumi* — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 07:44:19 GMT

Yes, the hairdresser has 10x the chance of getting infected; BUT once they are infected they will infect large proportion, if not all, of their next customers. Closing them down is for their protection too. The thing is, what I heard is that people already avoided going to have their hair done. And by the way, I have never been to a hairdresser who would give me wash, trim and dry in less than an hour.

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davidc4430 — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 08:08:26 GMT

@not_for_sale wrote:

if a hairdresser was infected would 30 minutes standing over a customer breathing all over them, usually talking, no mask on
be long enough to transfer the virus?
hands up anyone willing to test the theory its not?
What about the hairdresser who may have to be breathed on by ten different customers in a day. Arguably, they have a ten times greater chance of contracting the virus from a customer.

I think we need to keep this in perspective and listen to the advice around risk while the Government works on ways each day to come up with guidelines to try and contain the virus and maintain as many services and jobs as is reasonably possible. For example, our nurses and doctors are at the front line taking huge risks. Several have died overseas. It is frightening to think what they will confront over the coming months. Do we want the situation to become one where hospital and health services are shut down. Absolutely not, and the concept is unimaginable. So extra safety measures will need to be taken as the risk to nurses, doctors and patients etc. increases.

The welfare and life of a hairdresser is no different to that of a nurse or doctor IMO. But the current and future risk - well that is quite different.

your right, it works both ways, just as easy for the hairdresser to be exposed to the virus by any one of a number of customers.

and of course our medical people are also in the line of fire and we can only hope our people are taking and being given the best possible protections from the virus.

we are in an 'unprecedented' test of out system right now, i hope its robust enough to get us through this pandemic and out the other side.

as long as i can remember there has been arguing about how much we spend on the medical system, usually labor wanting to spend more and lib/nats wanting to spend less. constant arguing.

well now we are giving the system the ultimate test.

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domino-710 — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 08:16:05 GMT

I almost got that...............

But not quite.

Whose fault is this going to be.???????

LOL - I'm on ignore - so don't expect any response anytime soon.