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Wuhan Bans Eating Wild Animals

icyfroth — Thu, 21 May 2020 09:42:09 GMT

Eating wild animals has been banned in Wuhan, amid mounting pressure for the government to crack down on the illegal wildlife trade.

The Chinese city at the centre of the coronavirus pandemic is known for its wet markets – blamed by many for being the source of the virus that has killed more than 326,000 people around the world.

Now, eating wild animals, as well as hunting them within city limits, has officially been prohibited, with the city in China’s Hubei province declaring itself a “wildlife sanctuary” on Wednesday, CBS

reported.

Government-sanctioned hunting for “scientific research, population regulation, monitoring of epidemic diseases and other special circumstances” is the only exception.

The new policy, which went into effect on May 13, will stay in place for five years, according to a notice released by the Wuhan government today.

https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/wuhan-bans-eating-wild-animals-after-coronavirus-linked-to-wet-markets/news-story/be7d19e74f12cb9731d5865645ec4555

Why only five years? And what will they do to enforce it?

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kopenhagen5 — Thu, 21 May 2020 09:46:56 GMT

I am also sceptical on it's policing.

China are known for keeping secrets.

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go-tazz — Thu, 21 May 2020 09:51:15 GMT

It will be the same as the Japanese garbage of lies that they only hunt whales for scientific research.

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not_for_sale — Thu, 21 May 2020 09:56:10 GMT

Well at least they will only eat tame animals now.

Only kidding.

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rogevibe — Thu, 21 May 2020 11:48:22 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
Eating wild animals has been banned in Wuhan, amid mounting pressure for the government to crack down on the illegal wildlife trade.

The Chinese city at the centre of the coronavirus pandemic is known for its wet markets – blamed by many for being the source of the virus that has killed more than 326,000 people around the world.

Now, eating wild animals, as well as hunting them within city limits, has officially been prohibited, with the city in China’s Hubei province declaring itself a “wildlife sanctuary” on Wednesday, CBS
reported.

Government-sanctioned hunting for “scientific research, population regulation, monitoring of epidemic diseases and other special circumstances” is the only exception.

The new policy, which went into effect on May 13, will stay in place for five years, according to a notice released by the Wuhan government today.

https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/wuhan-bans-eating-wild-animals-after-coronavirus-linked-to-wet-markets/news-story/be7d19e74f12cb9731d5865645ec4555

Why only five years? And what will they do to enforce it?

Good question - why only 5 years ?

Re: Wuhan Bans Eating Wild Animals

icyfroth — Thu, 21 May 2020 21:16:39 GMT

@not_for_sale wrote:
Well at least they will only eat tame animals now.
Only kidding.

how witty!

Re: Wuhan Bans Eating Wild Animals

rogevibe — Fri, 22 May 2020 06:35:46 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
@not_for_sale wrote:
Well at least they will only eat tame animals now.
Only kidding.
how witty!

Could this mean commercially grown animals under international standards of care and conditions , slaugtered and dressed off site , stored and sold in hygenic conditions - and no food court "live meals ready to eat"

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rogevibe — Fri, 22 May 2020 11:56:33 GMT

But I suppose there will be temptations

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Chinese+Mountain+Cat&ru=%2fvideos%2fsearch%3fq%3dChinese%2bMountain%2bCat%26Form%3dVDRSCL%26%3d0&view=detail&mid=223DE9B8450A134C5151223DE9B8450A134C5151&rvsmid=3227A103C2F860B62FE73227A103C2F860B62FE7&FORM=VDQVAP

But what to do ?

Re: Wuhan Bans Eating Wild Animals

icyfroth — Fri, 22 May 2020 12:29:43 GMT

@rogevibe wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@not_for_sale wrote:
Well at least they will only eat tame animals now.
Only kidding.
how witty!
Could this mean commercially grown animals under international standards of care and conditions , slaugtered and dressed off site , stored and sold in hygenic conditions - and no food court "live meals ready to eat"

In China, it could mean anything like that.

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rogevibe — Fri, 22 May 2020 23:18:16 GMT

Well actually should create a new tourist opportunity in Australia , the feral cat hunting safari , camping under the stars incl BBQ with damper and happy hour Australian port , with rabbit a bonus ! ( not sure about foxes though )

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*kazumi* — Fri, 22 May 2020 23:57:54 GMT

In meanwhile in Australia people are still free to hunt ducks, rabbits, pigs and deer, as well as roos. While in America the animal husbandry is so bad that the possibility of getting salmonella from eating chicken is 4x that of Europe, despite that Americans wash the carcasses in bleach.

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rogevibe — Sun, 24 May 2020 11:06:15 GMT

@*kazumi* wrote:
In meanwhile in Australia people are still free to hunt ducks, rabbits, pigs and deer, as well as roos. While in America the animal husbandry is so bad that the possibility of getting salmonella from eating chicken is 4x that of Europe, despite that Americans wash the carcasses in bleach.

But do they wash their hands....

As for wild caught game , rabies and mad cow disease to contend with - consumer meats ? grain fed shed accommodated cattle I wonder about - and so do many other people as evidenced by premium prices paid for "grass fed" beef - as for the chickens ....

yes Australia , modern , well supported , enthusiastic locals - for those in pursuit of new taste sensations : still plenty of wilderness, and clean healthy wild creatures , many feral or over-populated and fit for the pot or trophy or just the satisfaction of reducing damaging introduced species.

( But stay away from our bats - they can habour a deadly virus)

true

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_bat_lyssavirus

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icyfroth — Mon, 25 May 2020 03:28:50 GMT

Banning the eating of "wild animals", ,doesn't really address the problem, though, does it?

It's the eating of disease carrying animals that's the problem.

The animals we raise, like cattle, sheep, rabbits, pigs, horses etc,, their ancestors were wild once, and they could quickly revert to the wild again if set free and left to their own devices.

Humans need to eat grass-eating animals to get any kind of nutritional value from their meat.

Not cats, dogs, bats, snakes or other carnivorous animals.

If the Chinese were really serious about adressing the COVID problem, they'd address their wet market and the hygiene of their farming practices.

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rogevibe — Mon, 25 May 2020 08:14:15 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
Banning the eating of "wild animals", ,doesn't really address the problem, though, does it?

It's the eating of disease carrying animals that's the problem.

The animals we raise, like cattle, sheep, rabbits, pigs, horses etc,, their ancestors were wild once, and they could quickly revert to the wild again if set free and left to their own devices.

Humans need to eat grass-eating animals to get any kind of nutritional value from their meat.

Not cats, dogs, bats, snakes or other carnivorous animals.

If the Chinese were really serious about adressing the COVID problem, they'd address their wet market and the hygiene of their farming practices.

Their problem was that the wild animals were mainly live captures and kept in crowded filthy conditions in proximity to were they were slaughtered often upon consumer selection

If they were hunted and dispatched in the wild , dressed and cold stored , then not such as issue I would imagine - so is any different to cows or sheep ? yes , after so many thousands of years we are used to their pathogens ( the rank recycled or unnatural feed is a recent innovation and mad cow desease being one consequence , there are probably other issues but unnoticed due to the sad lowest common denomiator level of health and societies low expectations )

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davewil1964 — Mon, 25 May 2020 08:54:20 GMT

Humans need to eat grass-eating animals to get any kind of nutritional value from their meat.

Source?

We don't get nutrition per se from meat, we get protein. Protein is protein, even from vegetables.

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icyfroth — Mon, 25 May 2020 09:13:32 GMT

@davewil1964 wrote:
Humans need to eat grass-eating animals to get any kind of nutritional value from their meat.
@davewil1964 wrote:
Humans need to eat grass-eating animals to get any kind of nutritional value from their meat.

Source?

don't tell me you don't understand that"

We don't get nutrition per se from meat, we get protein. Protein is protein, even from vegetables.

We get protein rom vegetables and meat from vegetation.

Exactly!
We get protein from vegetables and meat from animals and animal products (eggs) who in turn get protein from eating vegetation.
I'm sorry you don't get that!

We don't get nutrition per se from meat, we get protein. Protein is protein, even from vegetables.

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davewil1964 — Mon, 25 May 2020 10:52:15 GMT

Meat IS protein. Do you get that?

It doesn't matter what the animal eats, their meat is made predominantly from protein. Some plants also produce protein, which provides the same amino acids that meat does. Which is what muscles (meat) is made from.

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icyfroth — Mon, 25 May 2020 11:13:57 GMT

@davewil1964 wrote:
Meat IS protein. Do you get that?

It doesn't matter what the animal eats, their meat is made predominantly from protein. Some plants also produce protein, which provides the same amino acids that meat does. Which is what muscles (meat) is made from.

Sorry, but it does matter. We get our meat from grass-eating animals. Cattle and sheep, poultry, mainly. Horses and pigs ,not so much, but still mainly vegatation-eating animals.

Start eating dogs,cats,rats,bats other carnivorous animals, ok if you're starving in a famine, but health problems in the long run.

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not_for_sale — Mon, 25 May 2020 12:01:37 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:

We don't get nutrition per se from meat, we get protein. Protein is protein, even from vegetables.

Protein is a nutrient. Red and white meat are also rich in fatty acids and many important vitamins and minerals. And protein is not protein. Protein from meat contains all of the essential amino acids that the human body needs. Plant sources lack one or more amino acids.

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davewil1964 — Mon, 25 May 2020 12:57:16 GMT

@not_for_sale wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:

We don't get nutrition per se from meat, we get protein. Protein is protein, even from vegetables.

Protein is a nutrient. Red and white meat are also rich in fatty acids and many important vitamins and minerals. And protein is not protein. Protein from meat contains all of the essential amino acids that the human body needs. Plant sources lack one or more amino acids.

However protein from meat isn't dependent on what the animal ate.

Icy - eating virus laden animals is the problem. If the animal isn't diseased, the eater won't be either.

I realise that you don't have a basic understanding of biology, but that means you probably shouldn't comment. Or physics, or immunology.

Sorry. I just realised I was asking you to not comment on things you don't understand, which would just about stop your comments.