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Massive Explosion Rocks Beirut

icyfroth — Wed, 05 Aug 2020 10:18:19 GMT

It surprises me no-one's commented on this latest world crisis.

Are wereallyl so insular on this forum? Considering we have such a large percentage of Lebanese-Australians in our country?

"A massive explosion has rocked Lebanon's capital Beirut, killing at least 78 people, injuring almost 4,000, flattening much of the port, and sending a shock wave that damaged buildings across the city.

It is the most powerful explosion in years to hit Beirut, a city on the Mediterranean Sea home to roughly 2.2 million people, which is already reeling from an economic crisis and a surge in coronavirus infections.

At the scene, the Governor of Beirut, Marwan Abboud, told Sky News Arabia he had come looking for a team of firefighters who disappeared in the explosion.

"This scene reminds us of what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki," he said.

"I haven't seen massive destruction in my life on this scale. This is a disaster, a catastrophe, nothing but a national catastrophe.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/massive-explosion-rocks-lebanon-s-capital-beirut-killing-100-and-at-least-one-australian/ar-BB17yLvj

"The size of Lebanon's massive explosion that killed dozens of people was likely exacerbated by the presence of almost 3,000 tonnes of a chemical commonly used as garden fertiliser.

At least 100 people are dead and thousands are injured after Lebanon's capital Beirut was rocked by a blast so big it was registered as a 3.3 magnitude earthquake.

The exact cause of the blast is not yet known, but Lebanon's Prime Minister Hassan Diab said the explosion occurred inside a warehouse that was storing 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate."

https://www.9news.com.au/national/beirut-explosion-science-behind-massive-blast-in-lebanon/8fcb41a2-a397-4ea6-ab06-c2199e95382e

Why would any country store so much explosive in one place?

Re: Massive Explosion Rocks Beirut

freddie*rooster — Wed, 05 Aug 2020 10:36:54 GMT

It surprises me no-one's commented on this latest world crisis.

Perhaps we are all 'world crisis-ed out'

because we are currently battling our own

crisis.

Personally i'm siliently horrified by the

horrific tragedy in Beirut. My commenting

on it isn't going to make it go away.

Re: Massive Explosion Rocks Beirut

tasfleur — Wed, 05 Aug 2020 10:43:56 GMT

Well said Freddie. Something like this can leave people speechless and distressed as they deal with such horrors and shock in their own time and as best they can.

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davewil1964 — Wed, 05 Aug 2020 11:30:18 GMT

I decided not to comment after The Donald automatically assumed, and stated, that it was a terrorist attack.

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repentatleisure1952 — Wed, 05 Aug 2020 12:06:47 GMT

@davewil1964 wrote:
I decided not to comment after The Donald automatically assumed, and stated, that it was a terrorist attack.

But,but...he spoke to "many great generals who said it was an attack".

I'm surprised he did'nt dismiss it as fake news.

Re: Massive Explosion Rocks Beirut

davewil1964 — Wed, 05 Aug 2020 12:12:28 GMT

It would only be fake news if it showed him to be a DH.

Apparently this didn't.

Unlike his interview with Jonathan Swan.

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davidc4430 — Wed, 05 Aug 2020 12:28:14 GMT

"It surprises me no-one's commented on this latest world crisis."

the forum works by members posting a topic

then others comment on it

do you require someone else to do all the posting?

if we all waited for others to post then nothing would get posted and nothing would be discussed

Re: Massive Explosion Rocks Beirut

icyfroth — Wed, 05 Aug 2020 21:18:11 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
It surprises me no-one's commented on this latest world crisis.

Are wereallyl so insular on this forum? Considering we have such a large percentage of Lebanese-Australians in our country?

"A massive explosion has rocked Lebanon's capital Beirut, killing at least 78 people, injuring almost 4,000, flattening much of the port, and sending a shock wave that damaged buildings across the city.

It is the most powerful explosion in years to hit Beirut, a city on the Mediterranean Sea home to roughly 2.2 million people, which is already reeling from an economic crisis and a surge in coronavirus infections.

At the scene, the Governor of Beirut, Marwan Abboud, told Sky News Arabia he had come looking for a team of firefighters who disappeared in the explosion.
"This scene reminds us of what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki," he said.
"I haven't seen massive destruction in my life on this scale. This is a disaster, a catastrophe, nothing but a national catastrophe.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/massive-explosion-rocks-lebanon-s-capital-beirut-killing-100-and-at-least-one-australian/ar-BB17yLvj

"The size of Lebanon's massive explosion that killed dozens of people was likely exacerbated by the presence of almost 3,000 tonnes of a chemical commonly used as garden fertiliser.
At least 100 people are dead and thousands are injured after Lebanon's capital Beirut was rocked by a blast so big it was registered as a 3.3 magnitude earthquake.
The exact cause of the blast is not yet known, but Lebanon's Prime Minister Hassan Diab said the explosion occurred inside a warehouse that was storing 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate."

https://www.9news.com.au/national/beirut-explosion-science-behind-massive-blast-in-lebanon/8fcb41a2-a397-4ea6-ab06-c2199e95382e

Why would any country store so much explosive in one place?

I just heard on the news there is a much larger amount of ammonium nitrate stored at a facility in Newcastle here in NSW.!!!!

"The deadly Beirut blast that killed more than 100 people has driven fresh calls for a large ammonium nitrate stockpile and plant in Newcastle, storing up to four times the amount reportedly detonated in the blast, to be relocated away from residents."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-05/beirut-blast-raises-concern-about-newcastle-ammonium-nitrate/12527546

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4channel — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 00:08:39 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
It surprises me no-one's commented on this latest world crisis.

Are wereallyl so insular on this forum? Considering we have such a large percentage of Lebanese-Australians in our country?

"A massive explosion has rocked Lebanon's capital Beirut, killing at least 78 people, injuring almost 4,000, flattening much of the port, and sending a shock wave that damaged buildings across the city.

It is the most powerful explosion in years to hit Beirut, a city on the Mediterranean Sea home to roughly 2.2 million people, which is already reeling from an economic crisis and a surge in coronavirus infections.

At the scene, the Governor of Beirut, Marwan Abboud, told Sky News Arabia he had come looking for a team of firefighters who disappeared in the explosion.
"This scene reminds us of what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki," he said.

Come to think of it I do find it surprising as well. With a blast like this and looking at it on TV and on line, it is a surprise that it wasn't talked aboout here prior to your posting it. It almost looked like an atomic bomb going off.

Where were the regulations relating to storage of such a chemical in an area like this?

Re: Massive Explosion Rocks Beirut

springyzone — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 01:19:32 GMT

It is being talked about on the forum. You started the thread here.

As someone else stated, someone has to start them then others respond.

It isn't as if it hasn't been all over the news. It has.

Not every world event gets mentioned on the forums though.

I might cop flak for this but I would call it world news rather than a world crisis. Just as our bushfires were world news but an Australian crisis.

It is certainly a crisis for Beirut & Lebanon but realistically, it isn't affecting other countries as yet. If it turns out to be an accidental explosion, it may stay that way. I wouldn't rule out terrorism though at this point.

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go-tazz — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 01:23:06 GMT

@4channel wrote:

Where were the regulations relating to storage of such a chemical in an area like this?

There was basically none in the 70/80's as it was mainly used most as a chemical compound that was added to other processes including large volumes of a certain glue but now it's tighlty controlled as it's danger as a use in explosives became more popular and known.

One of it's main usage is as a fertiliser.

The place I worked in had around ten pallets on hand at all times which was about 7500kg and was stored in a tin shed and so were deemed quite safe when stored by itself.

Re: Massive Explosion Rocks Beirut

rogevibe — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 01:35:18 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
It surprises me no-one's commented on this latest world crisis.

Are wereallyl so insular on this forum? Considering we have such a large percentage of Lebanese-Australians in our country?

"A massive explosion has rocked Lebanon's capital Beirut, killing at least 78 people, injuring almost 4,000, flattening much of the port, and sending a shock wave that damaged buildings across the city.

It is the most powerful explosion in years to hit Beirut, a city on the Mediterranean Sea home to roughly 2.2 million people, which is already reeling from an economic crisis and a surge in coronavirus infections.

At the scene, the Governor of Beirut, Marwan Abboud, told Sky News Arabia he had come looking for a team of firefighters who disappeared in the explosion.
"This scene reminds us of what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki," he said.
"I haven't seen massive destruction in my life on this scale. This is a disaster, a catastrophe, nothing but a national catastrophe.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/massive-explosion-rocks-lebanon-s-capital-beirut-killing-100-and-at-least-one-australian/ar-BB17yLvj

"The size of Lebanon's massive explosion that killed dozens of people was likely exacerbated by the presence of almost 3,000 tonnes of a chemical commonly used as garden fertiliser.
At least 100 people are dead and thousands are injured after Lebanon's capital Beirut was rocked by a blast so big it was registered as a 3.3 magnitude earthquake.
The exact cause of the blast is not yet known, but Lebanon's Prime Minister Hassan Diab said the explosion occurred inside a warehouse that was storing 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate."

https://www.9news.com.au/national/beirut-explosion-science-behind-massive-blast-in-lebanon/8fcb41a2-a397-4ea6-ab06-c2199e95382e

Why would any country store so much explosive in one place?
I just heard on the news there is a much larger amount of ammonium nitrate stored at a facility in Newcastle here in NSW.!!!!

"The deadly Beirut blast that killed more than 100 people has driven fresh calls for a large ammonium nitrate stockpile and plant in Newcastle, storing up to four times the amount reportedly detonated in the blast, to be relocated away from residents."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-05/beirut-blast-raises-concern-about-newcastle-ammonium-nitrate/12527546

We approved an American company to set up facilities next door doubling or tripling the storage volume - how stupid are we ?

Stored ammonium-nitrate is difficult to accidently explode - but not so difficult to purposely explode

Is astonishing that a one-off disaster overseas has created local discussion in mass media directly relating to our situation - something i do not recall happened much in the past.

ps the 100 people quoted as dying is probably the fire brigade people attending the initial fire - if you consult google earth images you can probably count 500 or more cars parked in the vicinity - and what do people do when there is a fire - watch from a safe distance . or what they might think is a safe distance

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joz*garage — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 02:46:22 GMT

It's on every news channel anyway

But.. it was first brought to CS by you!! Yay!!!

Re: Massive Explosion Rocks Beirut

icyfroth — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 09:07:23 GMT

@rogevibe wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
It surprises me no-one's commented on this latest world crisis.

Are wereallyl so insular on this forum? Considering we have such a large percentage of Lebanese-Australians in our country?

"A massive explosion has rocked Lebanon's capital Beirut, killing at least 78 people, injuring almost 4,000, flattening much of the port, and sending a shock wave that damaged buildings across the city.

It is the most powerful explosion in years to hit Beirut, a city on the Mediterranean Sea home to roughly 2.2 million people, which is already reeling from an economic crisis and a surge in coronavirus infections.

At the scene, the Governor of Beirut, Marwan Abboud, told Sky News Arabia he had come looking for a team of firefighters who disappeared in the explosion.
"This scene reminds us of what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki," he said.
"I haven't seen massive destruction in my life on this scale. This is a disaster, a catastrophe, nothing but a national catastrophe.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/massive-explosion-rocks-lebanon-s-capital-beirut-killing-100-and-at-least-one-australian/ar-BB17yLvj

"The size of Lebanon's massive explosion that killed dozens of people was likely exacerbated by the presence of almost 3,000 tonnes of a chemical commonly used as garden fertiliser.
At least 100 people are dead and thousands are injured after Lebanon's capital Beirut was rocked by a blast so big it was registered as a 3.3 magnitude earthquake.
The exact cause of the blast is not yet known, but Lebanon's Prime Minister Hassan Diab said the explosion occurred inside a warehouse that was storing 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate."

https://www.9news.com.au/national/beirut-explosion-science-behind-massive-blast-in-lebanon/8fcb41a2-a397-4ea6-ab06-c2199e95382e

Why would any country store so much explosive in one place?
I just heard on the news there is a much larger amount of ammonium nitrate stored at a facility in Newcastle here in NSW.!!!!

"The deadly Beirut blast that killed more than 100 people has driven fresh calls for a large ammonium nitrate stockpile and plant in Newcastle, storing up to four times the amount reportedly detonated in the blast, to be relocated away from residents."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-05/beirut-blast-raises-concern-about-newcastle-ammonium-nitrate/12527546

We approved an American company to set up facilities next door doubling or tripling the storage volume - how stupid are we ?

Stored ammonium-nitrate is difficult to accidently explode - but not so difficult to purposely explode

Is astonishing that a one-off disaster overseas has created local discussion in mass media directly relating to our situation - something i do not recall happened much in the past.

ps the 100 people quoted as dying is probably the fire brigade people attending the initial fire - if you consult google earth images you can probably count 500 or more cars parked in the vicinity - and what do people do when there is a fire - watch from a safe distance . or what they might think is a safe distance

Hmmm...

Re: Massive Explosion Rocks Beirut

icyfroth — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 09:09:29 GMT

@joz*garage wrote:
It's on every news channel anyway

But.. it was first brought to CS by you!! Yay!!!

Woof woof...

Re: Massive Explosion Rocks Beirut

rogevibe — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 12:37:05 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
@rogevibe wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
It surprises me no-one's commented on this latest world crisis.

Are wereallyl so insular on this forum? Considering we have such a large percentage of Lebanese-Australians in our country?

"A massive explosion has rocked Lebanon's capital Beirut, killing at least 78 people, injuring almost 4,000, flattening much of the port, and sending a shock wave that damaged buildings across the city.

It is the most powerful explosion in years to hit Beirut, a city on the Mediterranean Sea home to roughly 2.2 million people, which is already reeling from an economic crisis and a surge in coronavirus infections.

At the scene, the Governor of Beirut, Marwan Abboud, told Sky News Arabia he had come looking for a team of firefighters who disappeared in the explosion.
"This scene reminds us of what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki," he said.
"I haven't seen massive destruction in my life on this scale. This is a disaster, a catastrophe, nothing but a national catastrophe.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/massive-explosion-rocks-lebanon-s-capital-beirut-killing-100-and-at-least-one-australian/ar-BB17yLvj

"The size of Lebanon's massive explosion that killed dozens of people was likely exacerbated by the presence of almost 3,000 tonnes of a chemical commonly used as garden fertiliser.
At least 100 people are dead and thousands are injured after Lebanon's capital Beirut was rocked by a blast so big it was registered as a 3.3 magnitude earthquake.
The exact cause of the blast is not yet known, but Lebanon's Prime Minister Hassan Diab said the explosion occurred inside a warehouse that was storing 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate."

https://www.9news.com.au/national/beirut-explosion-science-behind-massive-blast-in-lebanon/8fcb41a2-a397-4ea6-ab06-c2199e95382e

Why would any country store so much explosive in one place?
I just heard on the news there is a much larger amount of ammonium nitrate stored at a facility in Newcastle here in NSW.!!!!

"The deadly Beirut blast that killed more than 100 people has driven fresh calls for a large ammonium nitrate stockpile and plant in Newcastle, storing up to four times the amount reportedly detonated in the blast, to be relocated away from residents."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-05/beirut-blast-raises-concern-about-newcastle-ammonium-nitrate/12527546

We approved an American company to set up facilities next door doubling or tripling the storage volume - how stupid are we ?

Stored ammonium-nitrate is difficult to accidently explode - but not so difficult to purposely explode

Is astonishing that a one-off disaster overseas has created local discussion in mass media directly relating to our situation - something i do not recall happened much in the past.

ps the 100 people quoted as dying is probably the fire brigade people attending the initial fire - if you consult google earth images you can probably count 500 or more cars parked in the vicinity - and what do people do when there is a fire - watch from a safe distance . or what they might think is a safe distance
Hmmm...

seems some local people at Newcastle are edgy now

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/australians-want-chemical-plant-moved-after-deadly-beirut-blast/ar-BB17DKAZ?ocid=msedgntp

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icyfroth — Fri, 07 Aug 2020 06:12:31 GMT

Chemical kept away from homes

Ms Wright said small quantities of ammonium nitrate are used generally for fertilising crops, whereas larger amounts were used for mining.

She said storage of ammonium nitrate was kept at a safe distance from roads, churches, childcare centres and homes, and that only drivers with appropriate security clearance were permitted to transport it.

"[It is] driven on known transport routes that they identify in their security management plan," she said.

"Measures are in place to ensure that the ammonium nitrate is secured during the journey."

Ms Wright said regulations were enacted in 2006 in SA, forcing anyone who buys, transports, uses, or stores the chemical to first apply for a licence to do so from SafeWork SA.

But she said that under safe and strict conditions, ammonium nitrate is "a low risk for storage".

"I can't imagine what may have occurred in Beirut for such an accident to occur," she added.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/ammonium-nitrate-stored-at-170-sites-across-sa-safework-sa-says-following-beirut-blast/ar-BB17CX1n

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serendipityricho — Fri, 07 Aug 2020 06:23:48 GMT

Large stock of fireworks stored in the same buildings caused that explosion......

You can see in the early footage the fireworks and then the big explosion.

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*kazumi* — Fri, 07 Aug 2020 08:03:42 GMT

I am sure there equally dangerous chemicals stored in our cities; not just Newcatle, while people are getting their knickers in the knot about 5g.

Re: Massive Explosion Rocks Beirut

rogevibe — Sat, 08 Aug 2020 01:41:37 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
Chemical kept away from homes
Ms Wright said small quantities of ammonium nitrate are used generally for fertilising crops, whereas larger amounts were used for mining.

She said storage of ammonium nitrate was kept at a safe distance from roads, churches, childcare centres and homes, and that only drivers with appropriate security clearance were permitted to transport it.

"[It is] driven on known transport routes that they identify in their security management plan," she said.
"Measures are in place to ensure that the ammonium nitrate is secured during the journey."

Ms Wright said regulations were enacted in 2006 in SA, forcing anyone who buys, transports, uses, or stores the chemical to first apply for a licence to do so from SafeWork SA.

But she said that under safe and strict conditions, ammonium nitrate is "a low risk for storage".
"I can't imagine what may have occurred in Beirut for such an accident to occur," she added.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/ammonium-nitrate-stored-at-170-sites-across-sa-safework-sa-says-following-beirut-blast/ar-BB17CX1n

our stored ammonium-nitrate are not confiscated chemicals and is safely stored as per I assume international standards , however the Newcastle town location and volume stored makes it a plausible target for belligerent or terrorist activity

Maybe time for a security audit based upon a wartime terrorist standard intrusion