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Whiteys Own Aboriginal Flag

icyfroth — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 04:32:59 GMT

A white man who stopped the AFL using the Aboriginal Flag in the code's Indigenous Round was once fined $2 million for selling 'authentic' didgeridoos and boomerangs - that were actually made in Indonesia.

A picture shows Ben Wooster and business partner Semele Moore smiling happily with the flag's original designer Harold Thomas after their company, WAM Clothing, was given copyright license to the iconic symbol in 2018.

Mr Thomas designed the famous flag in 1971 - and in 1997 won a High Court battle to become the sole copyright owner - but in 2018 signed over clothing license rights to WAM Clothing.

This means WAM Clothing collects fees from its use, and then passes a portion of the money back to the Mr Thomas.

It also means that without the consent of Mr Wooster and Ms Moore, the flag cannot be used on clothing or in any media.

The AFL this week announced it wouldn't be using the most obvious and famous symbol of Aboriginal Australia as part of its Indigenous Round because they had been unable to secure a deal with the co-owners.

Mr Wooster is a disgraced businessman whose former company was fined $2.3m for claiming art was Aboriginal when it was actually made in Indonesia, while Ms Moore was a paralegal at a leading Brisbane law firm before founding WAM Clothing.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8641665/Aboriginal-Flag-copyright-licensees-pair-WHITE-business-owners.html

That's so Australia for you. Sell everything, resources, intellectual property, land, water, utilities... anything for a quick quid!

Re: Whiteys Own Aboriginal Flag

lyndal1838 — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 06:25:10 GMT

It is hardly "Australia" selling the Aboriginal flag......it was sold by the Aboriginal artist who designed it and owned the copyright.

Re: Whiteys Own Aboriginal Flag

domino-710 — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 07:52:01 GMT

@lyndal1838 wrote:
It is hardly "Australia" selling the Aboriginal flag......it was sold by the Aboriginal artist who designed it and owned the copyright.
LOL.

Re: Whiteys Own Aboriginal Flag

rogevibe — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 09:44:38 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:

A white man who stopped the AFL using the Aboriginal Flag in the code's Indigenous Round was once fined $2 million for selling 'authentic' didgeridoos and boomerangs - that were actually made in Indonesia.

A picture shows Ben Wooster and business partner Semele Moore smiling happily with the flag's original designer Harold Thomas after their company, WAM Clothing, was given copyright license to the iconic symbol in 2018.

Mr Thomas designed the famous flag in 1971 - and in 1997 won a High Court battle to become the sole copyright owner - but in 2018 signed over clothing license rights to WAM Clothing.

This means WAM Clothing collects fees from its use, and then passes a portion of the money back to the Mr Thomas.
It also means that without the consent of Mr Wooster and Ms Moore, the flag cannot be used on clothing or in any media.

The AFL this week announced it wouldn't be using the most obvious and famous symbol of Aboriginal Australia as part of its Indigenous Round because they had been unable to secure a deal with the co-owners.

Mr Wooster is a disgraced businessman whose former company was fined $2.3m for claiming art was Aboriginal when it was actually made in Indonesia, while Ms Moore was a paralegal at a leading Brisbane law firm before founding WAM Clothing.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8641665/Aboriginal-Flag-copyright-licensees-pair-WHITE-business-owners.html

That's so Australia for you. Sell everything, resources, intellectual property, land, water, utilities... anything for a quick quid!

Re: Whiteys Own Aboriginal Flag

rogevibe — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 09:48:53 GMT

A can not help wondering whether the "" Aboriginal Flag"" might be better representitive of popular imagary to have a more orchre colour representing the arid earth rather than solid red of the bottom band - i mean it does look good but another country is strongly represented by that colour combination

Re: Whiteys Own Aboriginal Flag

davewil1964 — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 09:56:02 GMT

But not in the order or, strictly, colour that the Aboriginal flag is.

Many countries use 3 colours on their flags. Many use 3 colours in horizontal bars, some even the same 3, but in different order. Given the German flag doesn't use the same colours as the Aboriginal one, and certainly doesn't have their 3 colours displayed in the same layout as the Aboriginal flag, please explain why you think there is any likely correspondence between the two.

Re: Whiteys Own Aboriginal Flag

rogevibe — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 14:38:28 GMT

@davewil1964 wrote:
But not in the order or, strictly, colour that the Aboriginal flag is.

Many countries use 3 colours on their flags. Many use 3 colours in horizontal bars, some even the same 3, but in different order. Given the German flag doesn't use the same colours as the Aboriginal one, and certainly doesn't have their 3 colours displayed in the same layout as the Aboriginal flag, please explain why you think there is any likely correspondence between the two.

Is the impression when first viewed - but is a great flag design - symbolically black fella upon the red earth under the yellow/gold sun ?

Re: Whiteys Own Aboriginal Flag

icyfroth — Sat, 05 Sep 2020 05:29:41 GMT

@rogevibe wrote:
@davewil1964 wrote:
But not in the order or, strictly, colour that the Aboriginal flag is.

Many countries use 3 colours on their flags. Many use 3 colours in horizontal bars, some even the same 3, but in different order. Given the German flag doesn't use the same colours as the Aboriginal one, and certainly doesn't have their 3 colours displayed in the same layout as the Aboriginal flag, please explain why you think there is any likely correspondence between the two.

Is the impression when first viewed - but is a great flag design - symbolically black fella upon the red earth under the yellow/gold sun ?

True.

But why would you sell it out to Whitefellas if you're a staunch Blackfella?

Goes to show, Austrraliana iis up for sale to the highest bidder.

Re: Whiteys Own Aboriginal Flag

rogevibe — Sat, 05 Sep 2020 09:34:46 GMT

For those internationally travelled

Re: Whiteys Own Aboriginal Flag

davewil1964 — Sat, 05 Sep 2020 09:44:46 GMT

Obvious difference.

To me at least. I have no idea how your eyesight is.

Re: Whiteys Own Aboriginal Flag

rogevibe — Sat, 05 Sep 2020 09:55:34 GMT

Seems to me that ochre has more general aboriginal cultural relevance than red colour as is used extensively in body paint for ceremonies , although the colour red must have some significance, so replacing red with ochre should eliminate the copyright issues and general angst yet retain cultural relevance , but the current flag is highly regarded and who i am I comment except that i choose to.

no copy right here

Re: Whiteys Own Aboriginal Flag

domino-710 — Sat, 05 Sep 2020 09:58:54 GMT

RED - you forgot - blood.

Re: Whiteys Own Aboriginal Flag

rogevibe — Sat, 05 Sep 2020 10:24:32 GMT

@davewil1964 wrote:
Obvious difference.

To me at least. I have no idea how your eyesight is.

As you in your usual forum master manner has made the subject personal I shall reply : For some maybe just first impression.

Similar to when an aboriginal affiliated guy that was exuberantly making himself acquainted with me casting admiring glances at the bold shoulder patch of my cold weather army surplus jacket - until it was mentioned that particular tri-colour pattern was Germany not Aboriginal , but who cares ?

Re: Whiteys Own Aboriginal Flag

rogevibe — Sat, 05 Sep 2020 10:32:20 GMT

@domino-710 wrote:
RED - you forgot - blood.

happy now ?

Re: Whiteys Own Aboriginal Flag

rogevibe — Sat, 05 Sep 2020 10:39:07 GMT

@rogevibe wrote:
@domino-710 wrote:
RED - you forgot - blood.
happy now ?

Re: Whiteys Own Aboriginal Flag

rogevibe — Sat, 05 Sep 2020 10:44:57 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:

A white man who stopped the AFL using the Aboriginal Flag in the code's Indigenous Round was once fined $2 million for selling 'authentic' didgeridoos and boomerangs - that were actually made in Indonesia.

A picture shows Ben Wooster and business partner Semele Moore smiling happily with the flag's original designer Harold Thomas after their company, WAM Clothing, was given copyright license to the iconic symbol in 2018.

Mr Thomas designed the famous flag in 1971 - and in 1997 won a High Court battle to become the sole copyright owner - but in 2018 signed over clothing license rights to WAM Clothing.

This means WAM Clothing collects fees from its use, and then passes a portion of the money back to the Mr Thomas.
It also means that without the consent of Mr Wooster and Ms Moore, the flag cannot be used on clothing or in any media.

The AFL this week announced it wouldn't be using the most obvious and famous symbol of Aboriginal Australia as part of its Indigenous Round because they had been unable to secure a deal with the co-owners.

Mr Wooster is a disgraced businessman whose former company was fined $2.3m for claiming art was Aboriginal when it was actually made in Indonesia, while Ms Moore was a paralegal at a leading Brisbane law firm before founding WAM Clothing.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8641665/Aboriginal-Flag-copyright-licensees-pair-WHITE-business-owners.html

That's so Australia for you. Sell everything, resources, intellectual property, land, water, utilities... anything for a quick quid!

To me is just so sad that a symbol that is well regarded as a cultural identity icon has become mired in controversy of a commercial nature

Re: Whiteys Own Aboriginal Flag

davewil1964 — Sat, 05 Sep 2020 10:53:47 GMT

To me it is sad that you have adulterated the Aboriginal flag to fail to make your point.

Re: Whiteys Own Aboriginal Flag

rogevibe — Sat, 05 Sep 2020 13:34:31 GMT

@davewil1964 wrote:
To me it is sad that you have adulterated the Aboriginal flag to fail to make your point.

Is none to worry and never was - you can sleep well now