topic Re: Such a sad event in Community Spirit

Such a sad event

martinw-48 — Wed, 19 Feb 2020 03:26:19 GMT

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-19/lorraine-nicholson-unlikely-to-be-jailed-for-fatal-crash/11977852?utm_source=abc_news&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_content=link&utm_campaign=abc_news

This lady claims to have braked but the vehicle took off.
Which would mean she hit the accelerator but this is a modern vehicle and the download of information indicated that neither the brake or accelerator were depressed.
So either she's lying or such an incompetent driver she has no idea what happened.
Looks like she's not going to gaol but I don't think she should ever be allowed to drive

Re: Such a sad event

dvd.horder — Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:44:17 GMT

@martinw-48 wrote:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-19/lorraine-nicholson-unlikely-to-be-jailed-for-fatal-crash/11977852?utm_source=abc_news&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_content=link&utm_campaign=abc_news

This lady claims to have braked but the vehicle took off.
Which would mean she hit the accelerator but this is a modern vehicle and the download of information indicated that neither the brake or accelerator were depressed.
So either she's lying or such an incompetent driver she has no idea what happened.
Looks like she's not going to gaol but I don't think she should ever be allowed to drive

i know people that have done that

Re: Such a sad event

dvd.horder — Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:45:21 GMT

Re: Such a sad event

4channel — Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:47:12 GMT

Re: Such a sad event

in reply to dvd.horder

a minute ago

?????

Re: Such a sad event

dvd.horder — Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:47:20 GMT

people get the pedals mixed up

Re: Such a sad event

4channel — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 02:02:44 GMT

LLOLL dvd.h, did you foirget what to post before?

Anyway, you're right. People do get the pedals mixed up. When an automatic car driver goes on to manual, it can happen. And when a manual driver goes auto, occasionally having no clutch can create momentary confusion.

Re: Such a sad event

domino-710 — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 02:20:23 GMT

A license for an automatic vehicle does not allow you to drive a manual.

Re: Such a sad event

lyhargr_0 — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 02:29:34 GMT

@domino-710 wrote:
A license for an automatic vehicle does not allow you to drive a manual.

It does it Vic, once you are off you are off your P plates, you dont need to re sit your licence

Re: Such a sad event

lyhargr_0 — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 02:32:15 GMT

www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/licences/licence-and-permit-types/licence-conditions#:~:text=A%20%2D%20Automatic%20transmission,-If%20you%20pass&text=At%20the%20end%20of%20your,a%20medical%20condition%20or%20impairment.

Re: Such a sad event

davewil1964 — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 02:59:57 GMT

Same in the ACT.

However, according to the (old) OP, neither the brake nor the throttle were applied, so she was coasting.

Re: Such a sad event

4channel — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 03:11:57 GMT

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@domino-710 wrote:
A license for an automatic vehicle does not allow you to drive a manual.
@lyhargr_0 wrote:

It does it Vic, once you are off you are off your P plates, you dont need to re sit your licence

Yes. In other states there are people who are people who are unlicensed for manual happily driving around without having the auto liscense. Also people who have driven auto for years, when they transition to manual and have done everything correctly liscence-wise still have that memory coming back every so often. Some days when tired or distracted, that's when it can become a momentary problem.

Re: Such a sad event

domino-710 — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 03:12:20 GMT

You'll have to translate that one.

Here in NSW - a manual license allows you to drive an automatic - automatically. lol

Re: Such a sad event

ecar3483 — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 10:24:18 GMT

Hello, Martin, it's been a while. I hope you're keeping well. 🙂

She has to live with the consequences of her actions.

That truth will never go away.

Why send her to prison when she is already in a prison, that of her conscience.

Don't think for a moment that she sleeps the sleep of the untroubled.

None of us who have been in a serious car accident ever do.

A small misjudgement on my part saw a girl nearly die.

Thirty years later, all I have to do is close my eyes and I can still see her lying on the road...

It never goes away.

We all do things that come back to haunt us.

We are, after all, only human.

The hardest thing to do is forgive ourselves.

Take care, mate, wherever you are.

🙂

Re: Such a sad event

davewil1964 — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 11:11:23 GMT

Martin has been MIA for several months.

It always pays to take note of the date a post was posted.

Although he seems to be lurking.

Re: Such a sad event

viewmont1071 — Sat, 19 Sep 2020 06:30:58 GMT

@martinw-48 wrote:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-19/lorraine-nicholson-unlikely-to-be-jailed-for-fatal-crash/11977852?utm_source=abc_news&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_content=link&utm_campaign=abc_news

This lady claims to have braked but the vehicle took off.
Which would mean she hit the accelerator but this is a modern vehicle and the download of information indicated that neither the brake or accelerator were depressed.
So either she's lying or such an incompetent driver she has no idea what happened.
Looks like she's not going to gaol but I don't think she should ever be allowed to drive

vehicle ecu's do not record nor store such engine information... So it is not downloadable. if a scanner is attached to the vehicle then those readings are available in real time or for an amount of time.

Police forensic investigators can mostly determine whether the brakes are applied at the point of impact because the stop light bulbs are blown.

If the brakes are not applied and there is no current going through the filament (ie it is not glowing red/white hot) then the filament generally remain intact. Sometimes if the engine damage is severe enough and the throttle spindle, accelerator cable or TPS is jammed through impact damage they can determine an approximate impact throttle position...

. not that I know of anyways....

I read the OP's link and some others regarding the accident and none that i could find mentions downloaded information.

ECU's do need to "learn" some processes sometimes and will "remember" those processes.

Race cars through a bluetooth/satellite link are a different kettle of fish but that information is recorded an an external hard drive

Re: Such a sad event

viewmont1071 — Sat, 19 Sep 2020 06:54:20 GMT

well seek and ye shall find you learn something every day

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_data_recorder#Subaru,_Kia,_and_Hyundai_EDR_tools

Re: Such a sad event

joz*garage — Sat, 19 Sep 2020 08:57:53 GMT

@domino-710 wrote:
You'll have to translate that one.

Here in NSW - a manual license allows you to drive an automatic - automatically. lol

I learnt to drive with a manual transmission car so I can drive both auto and stick

Yeah, I would imagine the same would apply to all states