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Legalize Marijuana Yes or No?

4channel — Mon, 26 Oct 2020 12:18:21 GMT

This is an issue that I have mixed thoughts on. At the moment there's a huge problem with Ice and it seems it will never go away. The fact that it's rife in some country towns is a very scary thing. Should we just say To heck with it, let people puff away till their heart's content" and thus give police more time and resources to go after the pushers of the heavier stuff?

I don't smoke. I tried it in the past a few times years ago and not that impressed. I think that it does ruin the motivation of some young people and they'll never reach their potential. Then again booze does the same thing as well.

With all that's going on in the world, is it time to have a look at this?

What are your thoughts?

Re: Legalize Marijuana Yes or No?

davewil1964 — Mon, 26 Oct 2020 12:32:28 GMT

Ice is a metamphetamine. Nothing to do with marijuana.

Marijuana is therapeutic for those with chronic pain that opioids don't control.

Totally different drugs.

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chameleon54 — Mon, 26 Oct 2020 12:36:44 GMT

We already have enough problems with the abuse of alcohol and tobacco. Why would we want to add another major problem to the ones we already have. The modern hydroponically grown Marijuana is a fairly strong drug. It dulls peoples initiative and work ethic, leading many regular users to a life of unemployment and social security dependency. It can also trigger life long psychological issues such as schizophrenia in those who are already susceptible to those conditions and has been shown to cause depression in some users.

Being a strong drug it may well have a place in medical practice, but this can be achieved by removing the THC component of the drug ( the bit that gets users high ) making the medical version unsuitable for recreational abuse.

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4channel — Mon, 26 Oct 2020 12:59:27 GMT

@chameleon54 wrote:

We already have enough problems with the abuse of alcohol and tobacco. Why would we want to add another major problem to the ones we already have. The modern hydroponically grown Marijuana is a fairly strong drug. It dulls peoples initiative and work ethic, leading many regular users to a life of unemployment and social security dependency. It can also trigger life long psychological issues such as schizophrenia in those who are already susceptible to those conditions and has been shown to cause depression in some users.

Being a strong drug it may well have a place in medical practice, but this can be achieved by removing the THC component of the drug ( the bit that gets users high ) making the medical version unsuitable for recreational abuse.

Those are my thoughts too. Yes, I have seen a few people just turn into lifelong work dodgers. And you're right too about how it can mess with people's minds. Sometimes a once bright evenly rounded person becomes an unstable psychotic person who'll withdraw from his / her circle and also become someone who can potentially harm another.

When looking at the bigger picture I see the resources and all the people in the chain right from the arresting officer to the file clerk at the court being tied up. I just wonder if we need now to admit that the battle has been lost and it's time to go after the more dangerous drugs. And you're right about the hydroponically grown stuff. It can be dangerous to the wrong person. It certainly is different than what people were puffing on during the 70s.

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joz*garage — Mon, 26 Oct 2020 13:45:28 GMT

Time well over due.

You say lealised alcohol and tobacco has it's problems, sure, then choose to stay away from it.

it's about freedom of choice though isn't it?

Why not legalise gunja too?! there's an industry to be had and tax dollars for the community, and the decriminalisation factor - gets rid of the criminal element, everyones happy (pun intended), & Folks who want to get bent - will anyway.

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not_for_sale — Mon, 26 Oct 2020 13:46:03 GMT

I say No because IMO the disadvantages outweigh the advantages. Having a good joint can be very enjoyable in many ways.

However, the affects can be unpredictable. Some people can have underlying symptoms of mental illness which they socially control under normal circumstances. But under the influence of marijuana the symptoms can bubble to the surface and the person can experience paranoia, irrational fear, depression, delusions, hallucinations etc. In many instances the symptoms submerge again when the drug wears off. But in some cases the symptoms do not and the mental illness is exposed, sometimes for life. Marijuana did not cause the illness, it fractured the person's ability to cope with and control it.

Also, the physical dangers are clear - marijuana damages the lungs. Significantly more tar is taken in compared to cigarettes. This is because of the ways it is ingested. Personally I think it is hypocritical that cigarettes are legal while marijuana is not. But I would prefer we do not legalise another potentially harmful substance, even though some people may argue that the good times outweigh the bad times.

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joz*garage — Mon, 26 Oct 2020 14:04:05 GMT

And with the tax dollars - so much can be done, example: more drug education and rehabilitation facility centres (free treatment) - for those who are allergic to whatever poison they choose, and gunja (pot) can be a poison too..I personally know of two people who were hopelessly addicted, if they didn't get their puff they were just like a junkie hanging out for a hit - shakes hot/cold sweats.. similar symptoms.

No different to the alcoholic.

Re: Legalize Marijuana Yes or No?

joz*garage — Mon, 26 Oct 2020 15:56:31 GMT

@not_for_sale wrote:
I say No because IMO the disadvantages outweigh the advantages. Having a good joint can be very enjoyable in many ways.

However, the affects can be unpredictable. Some people can have underlying symptoms of mental illness which they socially control under normal circumstances. But under the influence of marijuana the symptoms can bubble to the surface and the person can experience paranoia, irrational fear, depression, delusions, hallucinations etc. In many instances the symptoms submerge again when the drug wears off. But in some cases the symptoms do not and the mental illness is exposed, sometimes for life. Marijuana did not cause the illness, it fractured the person's ability to cope with and control it.

Also, the physical dangers are clear - marijuana damages the lungs. Significantly more tar is taken in compared to cigarettes. This is because of the ways it is ingested. Personally I think it is hypocritical that cigarettes are legal while marijuana is not. But I would prefer we do not legalise another potentially harmful substance, even though some people may argue that the good times outweigh the bad times.

I disagree, Cannabis is not only consumed by smoking it.

& In comparison.. for example, the harm caused by legal alcohol outweighs the harm caused by marijuana. (to the individual & society)

The advantages of alcohol is very little, when they say controlled drinking "may" reduce heart disease.

The medical benefts of Cannabis is well documented.

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icyfroth — Mon, 26 Oct 2020 20:23:18 GMT

I say no, and alcohol should be mor regulated as well. It ruins just as many, if not more, lives than MJ.

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myoclon1cjerk — Mon, 26 Oct 2020 21:03:56 GMT

Well you won't have to worry about it in your lifetimes. It won't happen in Australia too soon. The most conservative nation in the Western world. I'm surprised mixed marriages are allowed here.

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lurker172602 — Mon, 26 Oct 2020 21:34:22 GMT

@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
Well you won't have to worry about it in your lifetimes. It won't happen in Australia too soon. The most conservative nation in the Western world. I'm surprised mixed marriages are allowed here.

Maybe not legalised but certainly decriminalised

Q. Is cannabis legal in the ACT?

Cannabis is not legal in the ACT, it has been decriminalised. The ACT has removed penalties for adults who possess or use small amounts of cannabis so they can get support without fear of being put through the justice system.

New rules around personal use of cannabis came into effect on 31 January 2020.

https://www.act.gov.au/cannabis/home

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*tippy*toes* — Mon, 26 Oct 2020 23:10:25 GMT

It should be legalised for medical purposes and dispensed through a pharmacy like any other drug. The difference it can make to someone on chemo is huge. Same with uncontrolled pain and end stage cancer. Kids that have uncontrolled seizures can really benefit, as can kids with cerebral palsy. For some with severe medical conditions, it can mean the difference between being locked in their house, or being able to lead some kind of normal life, including having a job.

Most only need the CBD variety that doesn't have the THC, but for some, the THC component is what helps with their condition.

I don't agree with legalising it for recreational use. I would agree to decriminalise it, like ACT and SA for users (not dealers). That said, people will smoke it regardless.

I have seen first hand the difference it has made to some people with long term medical issues. Sad reality for them is, they have to be basically criminals to get the relief they need for their condition, that conventional medicines can't help with.

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not_for_sale — Tue, 27 Oct 2020 03:46:57 GMT

@joz*garage wrote:
@not_for_sale wrote:

I disagree, Cannabis is not only consumed by smoking it.
& In comparison.. for example, the harm caused by legal alcohol outweighs the harm caused by marijuana. (to the individual & society)

The advantages of alcohol is very little, when they say controlled drinking "may" reduce heart disease.
The medical benefts of Cannabis is well documented.

I'm unsure what your point is! There is a huge difference between medicinal cannabis and smoking marijuana. Medicinal cannabis is legal in Australia and can be prescribed by a doctor for specific medical conditions. Clearly the OP was referring to the smoking of marijuana. While legal alcohol is dangerous in so many ways, smoking marijuana is dangerous too. So we should legalise marijuana because it is thought to be less dangerous than alcohol? Is that it?

Hey, when I was younger I used to chant 'make love not war' too, with an enlightened head. But the world is very different now and I worry about the stresses young people are trying to deal with. They need support to manage their lives, not escape it. The legalisation of marijuana would lead to an increase in usage, and while some people might see that as a good thing, I do not. If I could trade the violent drunks for stoned dopers I probably would. But I would continue to worry about the kids today and how our experiences could help them work through their futures, which look pretty grim.

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joz*garage — Tue, 27 Oct 2020 04:31:42 GMT

@not_for_sale wrote:
@joz*garage wrote:
@not_for_sale wrote:

I disagree, Cannabis is not only consumed by smoking it.
& In comparison.. for example, the harm caused by legal alcohol outweighs the harm caused by marijuana. (to the individual & society)

The advantages of alcohol is very little, when they say controlled drinking "may" reduce heart disease.
The medical benefts of Cannabis is well documented.

I'm unsure what your point is! There is a huge difference between medicinal cannabis and smoking marijuana. Medicinal cannabis is legal in Australia and can be prescribed by a doctor for specific medical conditions. Clearly the OP was referring to the smoking of marijuana. While legal alcohol is dangerous in so many ways, smoking marijuana is dangerous too. So we should legalise marijuana because it is thought to be less dangerous than alcohol? Is that it?

Hey, when I was younger I used to chant 'make love not war' too, with an enlightened head. But the world is very different now and I worry about the stresses young people are trying to deal with. They need support to manage their lives, not escape it. The legalisation of marijuana would lead to an increase in usage, and while some people might see that as a good thing, I do not. If I could trade the violent drunks for stoned dopers I probably would. But I would continue to worry about the kids today and how our experiences could help them work through their futures, which look pretty grim.

Point being; cannabis isn't just taken by smoking it, it can be an incredient for cakes cookies etc.

I knew lots of folks who were non drinkers or tabacco smokers. & prefered cannabis consumed that way.

Maybe I should've address to OP direct.

I do believe the legalization for recreational use the community would be better off. Because, It's believed it leads to harder drugs, it's mainly because (for some users) only if they can't get cannabis - a dry spell, and their risk of getting addicted to harder drugs are greater.

The legalization would make it freely available to them.

On the other hand, yeah, there should be more education so people can cope with the real world, better parenting too, so folks don't latch onto self medicating (choose your poison) to try and cope with it.

But, I still believe in freedom of choice. Alcohol for example has some positives, for folks who enjoy a quailty wine with a meal, and the use of it in cooking.

Cannabis too has it postives; users certainly aren't as angry compared to drinkers.

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daltvila_420 — Tue, 27 Oct 2020 04:35:40 GMT

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joz*garage — Tue, 27 Oct 2020 04:53:38 GMT

Dalt, Say hi to my loved ones over there for us. Looks like 8 ball roust up the old boy and finally did the deed.

Public viewing is now impossible. I sensed it coming LOL

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rogevibe — Tue, 27 Oct 2020 05:08:59 GMT

How does one decontaminate a rental house after a m.j. tribe have moved on ?

I imagine major outgassing issues for some time from mj smog absorbing carpets , curtains, walls etc

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joz*garage — Tue, 27 Oct 2020 05:26:13 GMT

Probably the same method used to rid ciggie smoke stains.

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rogevibe — Tue, 27 Oct 2020 06:21:13 GMT

@joz*garage wrote:
Probably the same method used to rid ciggie smoke stains.

Just a matter of being aware i suppose - i just mentioned as a possible issue that needs evaluating while considered the question of legalising

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not_for_sale — Tue, 27 Oct 2020 06:33:23 GMT

@joz*garage wrote:
Point being; cannabis isn't just taken by smoking it, it can be an incredient for cakes cookies etc.
I knew lots of folks who were non drinkers or tabacco smokers. & prefered cannabis consumed that way.

Maybe I should've address to OP direct.

I do believe the legalization for recreational use the community would be better off. Because, It's believed it leads to harder drugs, it's mainly because (for some users) only if they can't get cannabis - a dry spell, and their risk of getting addicted to harder drugs are greater.
The legalization would make it freely available to them.

On the other hand, yeah, there should be more education so people can cope with the real world, better parenting too, so folks don't latch onto self medicating (choose your poison) to try and cope with it.

But, I still believe in freedom of choice. Alcohol for example has some positives, for folks who enjoy a quailty wine with a meal, and the use of it in cooking.
Cannabis too has it postives; users certainly aren't as angry compared to drinkers.

Oddly, I would have agreed with every word you wrote when I was young. But life experiences and fatherhood have changed my mind. Freedom of choice is a nice liberty. But I wonder if the victims of domestic violence at the hands of violent drunks would agree! I am sure all drugs users or drinkers could point out some positives. But responsible legislation must be based on the advantages and disadvantages to society. Personally, I don't think this would be a good time to legalise the use of an unpredictable mind and mood altering drug. But hey, if they had done so in the 60's then all of this would be irrelevant.