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Mandatory Vaccination: Would you support it?

the_bob_delusion — Fri, 18 Dec 2020 10:19:17 GMT

https://www.theage.com.au/world/south-america/brazilian-supreme-court-rules-against-covid-anti-vaxxers-20201218-p56ooe.html

Does the collective health for all trump the right of individuals?

Discuss

Re: Mandatory Vaccination: Would you support it?

peteepie — Fri, 18 Dec 2020 11:04:38 GMT

Please don't use that T word.

I never want to hear it again.

Re: Mandatory Vaccination: Would you support it?

davewil1964 — Fri, 18 Dec 2020 11:09:08 GMT

No, but I'm trypanophobic

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not_for_sale — Fri, 18 Dec 2020 11:28:00 GMT

Which "right of individuals"?

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davewil1964 — Fri, 18 Dec 2020 11:30:42 GMT

Maybe an American thing. I'm fairly sure we don't have one here.

But, due to the internet and TV, a lot of people seem to think that rights written into the Constitution of the USA apply outside of the USA.

Re: Mandatory Vaccination: Would you support it?

icyfroth — Fri, 18 Dec 2020 21:30:05 GMT

No but they have ways. Like denying you employment if you refuse.

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lalbo-81 — Fri, 18 Dec 2020 22:05:09 GMT

Just a curiosity question, do children have to have certain vaccinations to attend school there? And if so, what, if any , are the exemptions?

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springyzone — Fri, 18 Dec 2020 22:13:54 GMT

No, I don't believe it should be compulsory to have the covid vaccine.

We haven't had long enough to evaluate how effective it is or what side effects it has.

I do think that down the track, if people want to visit overseas or go on cruises, then proof of vaccination may be required for travel, which is fair enough. But that's a different thing.

If we can keep a lid on covid cases here in Australia (and personally, I'd be doing that by stopping all international arrivals except for dire emergency, as every case we get harks back to the virus escaping from staff at or connected to the quarantine hotels), then our need is not as dire.

Stop the arrivals, let the rest of the world have the vaccine and when they are done, then allow no one into this country till they have the proof they have had it, plus a recent test to show neg plus 2 weeks quarantine anyway, at their expense.

Don't see why we should be up for panic vaccines because the rest of the world is in a mess, let them sort it out.

Re: Mandatory Vaccination: Would you support it?

davidc4430 — Fri, 18 Dec 2020 23:06:32 GMT

how many to die before the line is crossed?

btw, who here refuses to drive without a seatbelt?

or a license?

there are lots of stuff we dont get a choice with

Re: Mandatory Vaccination: Would you support it?

icyfroth — Fri, 18 Dec 2020 23:24:49 GMT

Seatbelts and licences eg.are not injected into the bloodstream though, are they?

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not_for_sale — Fri, 18 Dec 2020 23:44:16 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
Seatbelts and licences eg.are not injected into the bloodstream though, are they?

Neither is the vaccine. It's injected into the muscle.

Re: Mandatory Vaccination: Would you support it?

the_bob_delusion — Sat, 19 Dec 2020 00:00:37 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
No but they have ways. Like denying you employment if you refuse.

Would you rather go to a doctor who choose not to be vaccinated or go to one who is?

Re: Mandatory Vaccination: Would you support it?

the_bob_delusion — Fri, 18 Dec 2020 23:56:57 GMT

@lalbo-81 wrote:
Just a curiosity question, do children have to have certain vaccinations to attend school there? And if so, what, if any , are the exemptions?

Make up a religion and say your special God doesn't allow you to. THere's your exemption.

Re: Mandatory Vaccination: Would you support it?

the_bob_delusion — Fri, 18 Dec 2020 23:59:41 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
Seatbelts and licences eg.are not injected into the bloodstream though, are they?

Same concept of rights. Some people want their individual right of not having to wear seatbelts. Law enforces it on everyone to protect the majority i.e to protect reckless people and the people affected by reckless people.

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not_for_sale — Sat, 19 Dec 2020 00:41:43 GMT

What would be the ongoing rights of people who refused the vaccine?

Should they retain the right to roam freely in society? Should they retain the right to free hospital care where they would endanger the safety of health workers, their families and other patients? Should they retain the right to enter any public establishment of their choice? Should they retain the right to be a member of a specific society, or move on?

And what if some of those who refuse are doctors, nurses, pharmacists, police, childcare workers, checkout staff, postal staff etc?

Re: Mandatory Vaccination: Would you support it?

eol-products — Sat, 19 Dec 2020 03:07:05 GMT

I own a car that does not require seatbelts but it feels strange without them so I keep them installed. Sometimes I find it easier to just follow the rules and worry about what is for dinner tonight.

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lyndal1838 — Sat, 19 Dec 2020 03:20:35 GMT

@not_for_sale wrote:

And what if some of those who refuse are doctors, nurses, pharmacists, police, childcare workers, checkout staff, postal staff etc?

I think you would find they would no longer have a job.

If employment is dependent on the worker being vaccinated there can be no exceptions.

Re: Mandatory Vaccination: Would you support it?

not_for_sale — Sat, 19 Dec 2020 03:38:24 GMT

@lyndal1838 wrote:
@not_for_sale wrote:

And what if some of those who refuse are doctors, nurses, pharmacists, police, childcare workers, checkout staff, postal staff etc?
I think you would find they would no longer have a job.
If employment is dependent on the worker being vaccinated there can be no exceptions.

The number of people working in these important professions would be over a million. So it would be mandatory for them if they wanted to retain their jobs, but not mandatory for millions of other workers. In keeping with Bob's question, would we support that? It doesn't sit well with me, but I don't know what the solution would be. So many problems would develop.

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davewil1964 — Sat, 19 Dec 2020 08:38:39 GMT

@lalbo-81 wrote:
Just a curiosity question, do children have to have certain vaccinations to attend school there? And if so, what, if any , are the exemptions?

I believe so.

Basically these -

There used to be exemptions for religious reasons. Enough said.

Basically these days if a child hasn't had the above vaccinations, they will lose access to child tax benefits - a form of middle-class welfare designed to encourage people to emulate rabbits.

In my day, every child contracted measles, mumps, chickenpox and probably rubella.

Even in the 60s polio was 100% administered in schools. Tetanus is a bit of a joke, as that is only required with a specific wound. I also have been vaccinated for smallpox, so when the caches are released I will be fine

Re: Mandatory Vaccination: Would you support it?

countessalmirena — Sat, 19 Dec 2020 18:43:53 GMT

@lyndal1838 wrote:
@not_for_sale wrote:

And what if some of those who refuse are doctors, nurses, pharmacists, police, childcare workers, checkout staff, postal staff etc?
I think you would find they would no longer have a job.
If employment is dependent on the worker being vaccinated there can be no exceptions.

Perfectly correct. In health or clinical settings, part of the conditions of employment address this very issue, and documentary evidence is required.