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who will win? Trump or Biden?

davidc4430 — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 21:27:16 GMT

vote now

Re: who will win? Trump or Biden?

lyndal1838 — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 00:27:33 GMT

I vote no for President.....they are both pretty hopeless.

Re: who will win? Trump or Biden?

davidc4430 — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 00:36:44 GMT

@lyndal1838 wrote:
I vote no for President.....they are both pretty hopeless.

the question is who do we think will win not do we get to vote for either, hopeless or otherwise

Re: who will win? Trump or Biden?

joz*garage — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 00:46:02 GMT

@lyndal1838 wrote:
I vote no for President.....they are both pretty hopeless.

One is

At least Biden is qualified & isn't self-absorbed

Re: who will win? Trump or Biden?

domino-710 — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 01:09:12 GMT

Re: who will win? Trump or Biden?

4channel — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 02:13:33 GMT

@lyndal1838 wrote:
I vote no for President.....they are both pretty hopeless.

Trunp is an arrogant naarcissist and dangerous. Biden cn get away with bad things under left wing cover. But yes they are both useless as far as the liberty freedom and well-being of the country is concerned.

Ron Paul could have been president but there's no way certain people of influence are goiung to allow a libertarian to become president. Murdoch and others worked hard to make sure media blackouts on Mr. Paul were successful.

The Ron Paul Uprising - (Trailer)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD1qEFvuGJc

But who will win? I don't know. It could go either way. Perhaps Biden.

Re: who will win? Trump or Biden?

not_for_sale — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 03:15:32 GMT

Why do you think Biden is "useless"? No explanation is needed for Trump. But the word is Obama hand picked him to be Vice President and IMO that in itself is an impressive endorsement. He achieved many great things when he was Vice President and seemed to be a responsive politician. He never cried fake news, hoax or Republican plot, he reacted when action was needed. Whichever, I think it's time for America to have a politician in charge again, rather than a narcissistic, delusional has been B grade entertainer. It's time for the people to say, "Trump, you're fired".

Re: who will win? Trump or Biden?

4channel — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 06:10:19 GMT

You summed Trump up very well. He is all of those things and more. I won't say what I want to about Biden as there are bullies here in this forum and another who work as a team. I will say though that from a libertarian view, BIden is not the right person. When Obama was elected, people thought he was a beacon of hope and was going to be "The Man". Well, he wasn't. He didn't rescind Georg Bush's draconian laws that were imposed after what took place on Sept 11. He added to them. Biden backed him. Also for the crooks of Wall St. it was business as usual when heads should have rolled and people made accountable.

Some of what Trump says about Biden is true and all what Biden says about Trump is true. Bernie Samders would have been a better man. Ron Paul should have been president now. For the answer look into what Ron Paul has stood for and the see if Biden comes close.

Re: who will win? Trump or Biden?

davewil1964 — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 06:15:10 GMT

From a libertarian point of view, nobody will ever suit you, I suspect.

Libertarians believe in NO government, so the head of government is unlikely to ever be a libertarian.

Re: who will win? Trump or Biden?

domino-710 — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 06:36:41 GMT

Ron Paul - is 85 years old.

About as old as most - links - thoughts - and ideas .

And thanks to Fluoride - I still have every tooth.

Re: who will win? Trump or Biden?

lyndal1838 — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 06:39:46 GMT

@not_for_sale wrote:
Why do you think Biden is "useless"? No explanation is needed for Trump. But the word is Obama hand picked him to be Vice President and IMO that in itself is an impressive endorsement. He achieved many great things when he was Vice President and seemed to be a responsive politician. He never cried fake news, hoax or Republican plot, he reacted when action was needed. Whichever, I think it's time for America to have a politician in charge again, rather than a narcissistic, delusional has been B grade entertainer. It's time for the people to say, "Trump, you're fired".

Biden was the perfect Vice President for Obama....I don't deny that.

He had experience in areas where Obama was lacking and was very good at backing Obama. Obama had the drive and energy for both of them

I do not doubt that Biden is a decent man and has many good points but there is no denying that he is older and has lost a lot of his momentum. He is not a good speaker...he slurs his words and stumbles over words.....he is also quite forgetful.

No matter how willing Biden is, I just do not think he is up to the job now. America needs a leader who can start mending the international relationships that Trump has destroyed as well as getting the USA back on track.

Re: who will win? Trump or Biden?

joz*garage — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 07:03:32 GMT

He is not a good speaker...he slurs his words and stumbles over words.....he is also quite forgetful.

It's a pity folks use that against him.

He was a stutterer as a kid & was hell bent in over coming it. It's actually his strength and got him where he is today.

His heart and mind is in the right place.

On that note "Anybody but Trump"

Re: who will win? Trump or Biden?

4channel — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 07:59:19 GMT

@davewil1964 wrote:
From a libertarian point of view, nobody will ever suit you, I suspect.

Libertarians believe in NO government, so the head of government is unlikely to ever be a libertarian.

You don't suspect and I'm not the only one wide awake to you my friend! Ron Paul IMO was ideal. Bernie Sanders would be acceptable.

Many libertarians believe in government. Ron Paul does, so do many others. I believe in government without corruption and puppets.

Re: who will win? Trump or Biden?

domino-710 — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 08:05:09 GMT

At 85 - a bit past it. lol

Re: who will win? Trump or Biden?

not_for_sale — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 08:16:31 GMT

@lyndal1838 wrote:
I do not doubt that Biden is a decent man and has many good points but there is no denying that he is older and has lost a lot of his momentum. He is not a good speaker...he slurs his words and stumbles over words.....he is also quite forgetful.

No matter how willing Biden is, I just do not think he is up to the job now. America needs a leader who can start mending the international relationships that Trump has destroyed as well as getting the USA back on track.

I would prefer a leader who slurs encouraging words, rather than one who slurs others, even his own people, and tells unbelievable lies. I think Biden is up to the job if his people get behind him. At the moment America needs anyone other that Trump to start the mending and healing.

Re: who will win? Trump or Biden?

davewil1964 — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 08:28:41 GMT

@4channel wrote:
@davewil1964 wrote:
From a libertarian point of view, nobody will ever suit you, I suspect.

Libertarians believe in NO government, so the head of government is unlikely to ever be a libertarian.
You don't suspect and I'm not the only one wide awake to you my friend! Ron Paul IMO was ideal. Bernie Sanders would be acceptable.

Many libertarians believe in government. Ron Paul does, so do many others. I believe in government without corruption and puppets.

That smacks of an ad hominem attack. Something you are famous for denouncing.

Look up the definition of libertarian.

Most of us idealise perfect government. It ain't gonna happen when humans are involved, so the next best option is least worst.

Re: who will win? Trump or Biden?

domino-710 — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 09:57:55 GMT

@4channel wrote:
@davewil1964 wrote:
From a libertarian point of view, nobody will ever suit you, I suspect.

Libertarians believe in NO government, so the head of government is unlikely to ever be a libertarian.
You don't suspect and I'm not the only one wide awake to you my friend! Ron Paul IMO was ideal. Bernie Sanders would be acceptable.

Many libertarians believe in government. Ron Paul does, so do many others. I believe in government without corruption and puppets.

As you so eloquently put it - so often - stick to the topic.

What has Bernie - and for heavens sake Ron Paul - anything to do with - this election.

Re: who will win? Trump or Biden?

lalbo-81 — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 19:40:28 GMT

Biden will win both the popular vote and the Electoral College vote. Trump and his desperate cult will try to claim cheating, and it will probably take until the end of the year for the official declaration that we have our 46th President.

Re: who will win? Trump or Biden?

lyndal1838 — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 20:30:40 GMT

@joz*garage wrote:
He is not a good speaker...he slurs his words and stumbles over words.....he is also quite forgetful.

It's a pity folks use that against him.
He was a stutterer as a kid & was hell bent in over coming it. It's actually his strength and got him where he is today.
His heart and mind is in the right place.

On that note "Anybody but Trump"

I never said his heart is not in the right place.....there has never been a question about his integrity and passion or his past record.

He just comes across as an elderly man who is past his prime. He cannot rely on the goodwill of people and people knowing he was a stutterer.....not if he wants to be taken seriously.

Re: who will win? Trump or Biden?

domino-710 — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 20:36:37 GMT

I think they are both past their prime - but it is what it is.

Biden/Harris 2020.