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Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances

4channel — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 00:41:37 GMT

Some issues when discussed can cause a range of reactions. Sometimes they can lead to an awakening, the beginning of a journey to discovering something new, or they can can cause a certain type of reaction in a person who may not like what they hear. I think that it's all about how we choose to deal with the info we're hearing and how we process it.

Take the issues of let's say .... fluoride and mobile phone tower radiation. The government has allowed the fluoridation of our water and they have allowed the construction of mobile phone towers in residential areas. Does that mean the water is safe to drink and it causes no ill affect? Does that mean that the mobile phone towers are safe? What about the handsets. Are they safe for children to use and hold against their heads?

Well, we discuss these things and some people do react angrily to the people discussing these issues. Does this mean that we have to stop discussion that challenges the supposed official stance or challenges what we are told is the mainstream belief? Do we have to self-censor or have this in a [private group? I have noticed that in discussion forums or the media that racist beliefs are a;allowed a platform and yet issues that many folk feel that need to be addressed because of health concerns are not given the same platform. To me racism is abhorrent and yet in the media, it gets the pass ticket while issues that some call important to health freedom do not! Why is that? Could it be political? What are your thoughts?

NOTE:

This is a discussion that some people here would be interested in while others may not be. Folks with opposing views are welcome as always. Please, if someone has an issue with these topics being discussed or another member, could they refrain from any attacks on others or deliberately flooding this thread with off topic filler.

Re: Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances

joztamps — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 00:57:01 GMT

Daniel Moynihan said it best:

Everybody is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts

In a very large majority of cases (approximately 100%) people who want to "discuss", eg, fluoridation or phone towers, want to forget about the second half of that principle.

Re: Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances

icyfroth — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 01:12:25 GMT

@joztamps wrote:
Daniel Moynihan said it best:

Everybody is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts

In a very large majority of cases (approximately 100%) people who want to "discuss", eg, fluoridation or phone towers, want to forget about the second half of that principle.

"everybody" might note be "entitled to their own facts', but plenty still adhere to their "own facts" , deriding or scorning the actual facts.

Re: Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances

4channel — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 01:20:49 GMT

@joztamps wrote:

Daniel Moynihan said it best:

Everybody is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts

In a very large majority of cases (approximately 100%) people who want to "discuss", eg, fluoridation or phone towers, want to forget about the second half of that principle.

Now that could be true with some yes. I believe there are a few folks who just like to be anti everything. But I believe the majority of people in opposition to water fluoridation and mobile phone towers in residential areas have facts to back their viewpoint up. With water fluoridation there are scientists and doctors who have the evidence in their corner to support their opposition to it. When we have industry, politicians and media we have a strong force + a compliant participator + a conduit. Often the conduit (media) is related to the strong force (industry). The weakest part of the three mentioned is the politician. He / she becoimes the compliant participator because they want their pension, they love their perks or someone owns their butt.

It was Malcolm Fraser who said that when some people who leave university look for a career in either the unions or politics. They get a leg up and for the rest of their career they pay back the person or persons that gave them the leg up.

Re: Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances

joztamps — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 01:35:24 GMT

Case proven

Re: Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances

the_great_she_elephant — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 04:46:43 GMT

The time has come,' the Walrus said,

To talk of many things:

Of shoes — and ships — and sealing-wax —

Of cabbages — and kings —

And why the sea is boiling hot —

And whether pigs have wings.'

(Lewis Carol)

Re: Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances

domino-710 — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 05:11:13 GMT

Re: Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances

not_for_sale — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 05:39:07 GMT

"Umpa, umpa, stick it up your jumper".

I am the Walrus.

(John Lennon)

Re: Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances

domino-710 — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 05:46:45 GMT

And with - holiday time fast closing in :

' While shepherds wash their socks by night.....................'

(That flouride toothpaste is a killer - just saying).

Re: Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances

tasfleur — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 06:07:23 GMT

Three little piggies in the sky,

Up in the air and they don't know why,

Flapping high and away they go,

One, two, three and what a nice show!

Re: Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances

icyfroth — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 06:46:28 GMT

ha...I see the usual suspects have come in to trash the thread...

Re: Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances

domino-710 — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 06:47:45 GMT

One coould be forced to agree. lol

Re: Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances

imastawka — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 06:58:20 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
ha...I see the usual suspects have come in to trash the thread...

I'm not here.......oh, wait...........damn

Re: Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances

domino-710 — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 07:00:19 GMT

Wiping as I type. lol

Re: Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances

4channel — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 07:21:42 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
ha...I see the usual suspects have come in to trash the thread...

This thread proves a point without even the intention. I guess some folks just can't take it icyfroth.

Strenngth in numbers I guess. Sad as there's a lot to learn by having good debate. Perhaps some fear that.

Re: Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances

lalbo-81 — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 07:52:18 GMT

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
The time has come,' the Walrus said,
      To talk of many things:
Of shoes — and ships — and sealing-wax —
      Of cabbages — and kings —
And why the sea is boiling hot —
      And whether pigs have wings.'
(Lewis Carol)

One of my favorite poems..but his name has 2 L's an 2 R's , I think? Carroll ? I love "Jabberwocky " too.

Re: Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances

lalbo-81 — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 07:54:03 GMT

@tasfleur wrote:
Three little piggies in the sky,
Up in the air and they don't know why,
Flapping high and away they go,
One, two, three and what a nice show!

I like that! Who wrote it?

Re: Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances

tasfleur — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 07:58:27 GMT

Always happy to be one of your "usual suspects" Icy ....

Re: Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances

tasfleur — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 07:59:59 GMT

I did lalbo ... ... just joining in with the "suspects" ...

Re: Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances

tasfleur — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 08:15:51 GMT

4channel, perhaps there is a purpose to your "discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances" thread, but such a discussion is doomed to failure by its very nature.

It gives no real allowance for what people really would like to safely and confidently post as their personal opinion without some, who have long term self imposed tunnel vision, attacking them.