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How much do we value our privacy? How much do we trade for a lifestyle?

4channel — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 18:14:03 GMT

How much is too much?

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Shoshana Zuboff on surveillance capitalism | VPRO Documentary

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Harvard professor Shoshana Zuboff wrote a monumental book about the new economic order that is alarming. "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism," reveals how the biggest tech companies deal with our data. How do we regain control of our data? What is surveillance capitalism? In this documentary, Zuboff takes the lid off Google and Facebook and reveals a merciless form of capitalism in which no natural resources, but the citizen itself, serves as a raw material. How can citizens regain control of their data?

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Shoshana Zuboff on 'surveillance capitalism' and how tech companies are always watching us

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL4bz3QXWEo

When should enough have been enough? The part (at 7:30) about a woman being pregnant and a supermarket chain knowing before she did is an eye opener. Shoulld be a brain opener too.

Interestingly, one of our valued regulars posted something similar some time back.

Pokemon Go an Invasion of Privacy

on ‎07-24-2016 12:48 PM
@icyfroth wrote:

Film director Oliver Stone has says Pokémon Go is a “new level of invasion” of privacy that could lead to “totalitarianism”.

Oliver Stone has a history of taking on the establishment, and questioning historical and social narratives that society has been conditioned to accept as truth.

While promoting his new movie about NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden at Comic-Con International, the hollywood filmmaker was asked about security concerns associated with Pokémon Go.

Stone noted that companies were actually using the game to carry out“surveillance capitalism” by monitoring people’s behaviour.

Stone said…
“It’s not funny. What’s happening is a new level of invasion.

“The profits are enormous here for places like Google. They’ve invested a huge amount of money in data mining what you are buying, what you like, your behaviour.

“It’s what some people call surveillance capitalism.”
https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Pokemon-Go-an-Invasion-of-Privacy/m-p/1976473/highlight/true#M582401

I'm surprised that more folks didn't post on her thread. Don't we care?

Re: How much do we value our privacy? How much do we trade for a lifestyle?

lyndal1838 — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 21:53:17 GMT

Nobody will know how much they value their privacy until they lose it!

Re: How much do we value our privacy? How much do we trade for a lifestyle?

domino-710 — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 21:56:21 GMT

Bringing up ' privacy ' .

Pretty strange for someone who can't help but check - last post times - kudos - memberships etc.

Re: How much do we value our privacy? How much do we trade for a lifestyle?

4channel — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 01:39:40 GMT

@lyndal1838 wrote:

Nobody will know how much they value their privacy until they lose it!

Until they realise they have lost it. People are losing their privacy as we speak.

"Google, what should I have for dinner"?

That's the barometer of craziness.

Re: How much do we value our privacy? How much do we trade for a lifestyle?

imastawka — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 01:47:04 GMT

How is asking google for a dinner menu a loss of privacy?

How does it impact on privacy?

I think I'm getting an idea of craziness

Re: How much do we value our privacy? How much do we trade for a lifestyle?

domino-710 — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 01:46:18 GMT

@4channel wrote:
@lyndal1838 wrote:
Nobody will know how much they value their privacy until they lose it!

Until they realise they have lost it. People are losing their privacy as we speak.

"Google, what should I have for dinner"?

That's the barometer of craziness.

Easier to open the fridge.

Re: How much do we value our privacy? How much do we trade for a lifestyle?

imastawka — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 01:49:14 GMT

If you open the fridge and can't think of anything, you can list the ingredients that you do have, and google will give you a recipe.

Craziness? I think not.

Re: How much do we value our privacy? How much do we trade for a lifestyle?

katistrophik — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 01:55:30 GMT

Privacy is the ability of an individual or group to seclude themselves or information about themselves, and thereby express themselves selectively.

When something is private to a person, it usually means that something is inherently special or sensitive to them. The domain of privacy partially overlaps with security, which can include the concepts of appropriate use, as well as protection of information. Privacy may also take the form of bodily integrity.

The right not to be subjected to unsanctioned invasions of privacy by the government, corporations or individuals is part of many countries' privacy laws, and in some cases, constitutions.

In the business world, a person may volunteer personal details, including for advertising, in order to receive some sort of benefit. Public figures may be subject to rules on the public interest. Personal information which is voluntarily shared but subsequently stolen or misused can lead to identity theft.

The concept of universal individual privacy is a modern concept primarily associated with Western culture, British and North American in particular, and remained virtually unknown in some cultures until recent times. Most cultures, however, recognize the ability of individuals to withhold certain parts of their personal information from wider society, such as closing the door to one's home.

Right to be let alone

In 1890 the United States jurists Samuel D. Warren and Louis Brandeis wrote "The Right to Privacy", an article in which they argued for the "right to be let alone", using that phrase as a definition of privacy.[1] There is extensive commentary over the meaning of being "let alone", and among other ways, it has been interpreted to mean the right of a person to choose seclusion from the attention of others if they wish to do so, and the right to be immune from scrutiny or being observed in private settings, such as one's own home.[1]

Although this early vague legal concept did not describe privacy in a way that made it easy to design broad legal protections of privacy, it strengthened the notion of privacy rights for individuals and began a legacy of discussion on those rights.[1]

Limited access

Limited access refers to a person's ability to participate in society without having other individuals and organizations collect information about them.[2]

Various theorists have imagined privacy as a system for limiting access to one's personal information.[2] Edwin Lawrence Godkin wrote in the late 19th century that "nothing is better worthy of legal protection than private life, or, in other words, the right of every man to keep his affairs to himself, and to decide for himself to what extent they shall be the subject of public observation and discussion."[2][3] Adopting an approach similar to the one presented by Ruth Gavison[4] Nine years earlier,[5] Sissela Bok said that privacy is "the condition of being protected from unwanted access by others—either physical access, personal information, or attention."[2][6]

Control over information

Control over one's personal information is the concept that "privacy is the claim of individuals, groups, or institutions to determine for themselves when, how, and to what extent information about them is communicated to others." Generally, a person who has consensually formed an interpersonal relationship with another person is not considered "protected" by privacy rights with respect to the person they are in the relationship with. [7][8]

Charles Fried said that "Privacy is not simply an absence of information about us in the minds of others; rather it is the control we have over information about ourselves. Nevertheless, in the era of big data, control over information is under pressure.[9]

States of privacy

Alan Westin defined four states—or experiences—of privacy: solitude, intimacy, anonymity, and reserve. Solitude is a physical separation from others.[10] Intimacy is a "close, relaxed, and frank relationship between two or more individuals" that results from the seclusion of a pair or small group of individuals.[10]

Anonymity is the "desire of individuals for times of 'public privacy.'"[10] Lastly, reserve is the "creation of a psychological barrier against unwanted intrusion"; this creation of a psychological barrier requires others to respect an individual's need or desire to restrict communication of information concerning himself or herself.[10]

In addition to the psychological barrier of reserve, Kirsty Hughes identified three more kinds of privacy barriers: physical, behavioral, and normative. Physical barriers, such as walls and doors, prevent others from accessing and experiencing the individual.[11] (In this sense, "accessing" an individual includes accessing personal information about him or her.)[11]

Behavioral barriers communicate to others—verbally, through language, or non-verbally, through personal space, body language, or clothing—that an individual does not want them to access or experience him or her.[11] Lastly, normative barriers, such as laws and social norms, restrain others from attempting to access or experience an individual.[11]

Re: How much do we value our privacy? How much do we trade for a lifestyle?

4channel — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 02:47:10 GMT

@imastawka wrote:
If you open the fridge and can't think of anything, you can list the ingredients that you do have, and google will give you a recipe.

Craziness? I think not.

Well, whether someone has the Google or that Amazon thing at home or they do things the manual way and search via Google on their phone or computer, they are adding to their profile. Most of all they are sadly sacrificing something.

Re: How much do we value our privacy? How much do we trade for a lifestyle?

imastawka — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 02:50:35 GMT

I just talk to my phone and it gives me what I want in a search.

Sure you might get 'suggestions' in the next couple of days, but so what?

They're just trying to make a buck, and you can ignore the 'suggestions'

Re: How much do we value our privacy? How much do we trade for a lifestyle?

domino-710 — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 02:52:51 GMT

Geez - with all those drag queens being researched I bet you get some - loo loos. lol

Re: How much do we value our privacy? How much do we trade for a lifestyle?

k1ooo-slr-sales — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 06:45:46 GMT

@4channel wrote:
@imastawka wrote:
If you open the fridge and can't think of anything, you can list the ingredients that you do have, and google will give you a recipe.

Craziness? I think not.
Well, whether someone has the Google or that Amazon thing at home or they do things the manual way and search via Google on their phone or computer, they are adding to their profile. Most of all they are sadly sacrificing something.

how do you manage to get out of bed in the morning?

I mean, between the flouridation of the water, the morning news about the Mardi Gras, avoiding GM food in your brekkie cereal, additives in your food/drink, the harmful radiation form 5G, all that research you do for all manner of topics, getting the word out about hydroxy/big pharma, buying on eBay while avoiding the GSP and posting on these boards!!!!

Personally, I’d be overwhelmed with the world!

Re: How much do we value our privacy? How much do we trade for a lifestyle?

domino-710 — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 06:46:11 GMT

LOL - Life was not meant to be easy.

Re: How much do we value our privacy? How much do we trade for a lifestyle?

k1ooo-slr-sales — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 06:47:29 GMT

@domino-710 wrote:
LOL - Life was not meant to be easy.

I’d be pulling the sheets over my head and going back to sleep . . . taking on all this responsibility would overwhelm me.

Re: How much do we value our privacy? How much do we trade for a lifestyle?

4channel — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:21:50 GMT

Privacy is valued by people worthy of that thought.

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4channel — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:21:12 GMT

Privacy is a word. A representation of worth when uttered by people that care. It is mocked and sneered at by people you can't trust. Those are the people we call boot tickers and back stabbers.

Privacy is something that is understood and cherished by people who don't fold or allow someone to fold their mind.

Re: How much do we value our privacy? How much do we trade for a lifestyle?

countessalmirena — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 22:19:11 GMT

There's a perception that famous people - film stars, for example - surrender their right to privacy in exchange for their fame.

I do not agree with that. Unless someone is deliberately making a choice to exploit their personal life in order to be famous, I hold it to be true (in my view) that the individual has a right to keep their personal life personal.

There are limited exceptions, such as when one holds an office in which aspects of one's personal life affect the ability to which the person is able to perform that office. Even there, however, it cannot be a slathering free-for-all in that person's life; it would be (in my view) those particular aspects relating to the performance and function only. For instance, certain professions require a police check, and certain professions require a Working with Children check. The person's criminal history and "relevant professional conduct findings" need to be scrutinised, and it's in such instances that a cry of "That's private!" becomes ridiculous and suspicious.

With people who are "famous for being famous", the whole celebrity thing, it seems clear that such people have made a deliberate decision to turn their lives into public viewing. It may be that they want to keep certain aspects of their lives private, but it becomes hard for them to clearly articulate that and to expect it. For instance, when an individual records a sex tape and releases it (oh, so accidentally!) to the public, and sets up a reality show in which it appears that nothing is off the table as far as revealing it is concerned, at what point is that person entitled to say "Oh no, not that bit - I don't want anyone to know about this private aspect of myself"...?

On the one hand, there's the expectation that our human rights include our right to maintain sovereignty over our own privacy and thoughts; on the other hand, there's the (ongoing) behaviour that very deliberately exploits that sovereignty of privacy and thought and private actions, releasing it for view to the public in exchange for fame and/or money, and it may be thought hypocritical to cry "Stop looking at me" or "Stop grubbing through my private life" if it turns out that something that person doesn't want made public IS made public.

There's a difference between such self-exploitation (in which the salacious is up for sale, and the more salacious, the better) and the inevitable fame that comes about from being an acclaimed performer (actor, musician, whatever). In the former case, the person is "selling" his or her private actions/thoughts/speech and ensuring that such private behaviours are sufficiently outrageous to attract "buyers" (watching public, subscribers, whatever the case may be), but in the latter case, the performer's performances (singing, playing, acting in a film or play etc) are what draws watchers, subscribers, etc.

There is more than one reason why I don't watch the sort of reality TV where people's private lives are exploited (either by themselves or by others)...

However, I don't have any idea what you mean by saying "Privacy is something that is understood and cherished by people who don't fold or allow someone to fold their mind" or that it is "mocked and sneered at" by "people we call boot tickers and back stabbers". Is that not trying to conflate separate concepts? I dare say that many back stabbers do not mock the notion of privacy. I dare say too that people who exploit their own privacy may still believe in a "representation of worth", only they place a monetary value upon their privacy. It's certainly possible that many who thus exploit themselves (or worse, allow themselves to be thus exploited) have a lack of self-worth, and that this is the moral vehicle for the exploitation, but I think it would be problematic for me to assume that.

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4channel — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 04:12:59 GMT

@countessalmirena wrote:

However, I don't have any idea what you mean by saying "Privacy is something that is understood and cherished by people who don't fold or allow someone to fold their mind" or that it is "mocked and sneered at" by "people we call boot tickers and back stabbers". Is that not trying to conflate separate concepts? I dare say that many back stabbers do not mock the notion of privacy. I dare say too that people who exploit their own privacy may still believe in a "representation of worth", only they place a monetary value upon their privacy. It's certainly possible that many who thus exploit themselves (or worse, allow themselves to be thus exploited) have a lack of self-worth, and that this is the moral vehicle for the exploitation, but I think it would be problematic for me to assume that.

The people who really understand the value of privacy are the people that don't buy into all of this "I'll trade my personal info for fun, convinience and technology etc.". Many to the best of their ability do not fold when someone tries to re-shape them. They have a high regard in preserving something that matters. In short, they don't cop out!

There are people that mock and sneer at people who say they value their privacy. These are usually the same people that mock and sneer at those people who value health freedom and are vocal about protecting these two things. The people who do the mocking and the sneering are usually those folks you just can't trust.

The worth of privacy, or understanding its worth can't be put into monetary terms. Privacy's true worth and value is understood and cherished best by those who truly believe it matters.

Re: How much do we value our privacy? How much do we trade for a lifestyle?

lalbo-81 — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 07:45:33 GMT

@4channel wrote:
Privacy is a word. A representation of worth when uttered by people that care. It is mocked and sneered at by people you can't trust. Those are the people we call boot tickers and back stabbers.

Privacy is something that is understood and cherished by people who don't fold or allow someone to fold their mind.

Pity you don't understand how ironic your words are, son.

Re: How much do we value our privacy? How much do we trade for a lifestyle?

bright.ton42 — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 09:19:14 GMT

The people who do the mocking and the sneering are usually those folks you just can't trust.

Yes there are a heap of untrustworthy people around here.