https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2441415#M752104 <BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><a href="https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/71426">@springyzone</a><STRONG>&nbsp;<FONT color="#008080">wrote:&nbsp;</FONT></STRONG><P class="">&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#008080"><EM>The real question on this thread was about the video.</EM></FONT></P><P><FONT color="#008080"><EM>Pure hoax.</EM></FONT></P><P><FONT color="#008080"><EM>If some woman has had money taken out of her account it won't be because she is unvaccinated, it will be for some other reason.</EM></FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><BR /><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -----------------------------------------------------------------</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Yes, I knew the video was incorrect right from the beginning but I did and still do to a degree wonder if an aspect is based on partial truth. Well, not so much the truth but rather what a woman believes has happened to her.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Yes, that's what I thought. I thought too that money was taken out due to non-payment of fines. Possibly this woman is prone to over reaction, and is panic-prone, assuming the worst.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Due to there being 4 stages in all of this, a whole lot of things can go wrong. The stages are .. .. ..<FONT color="#FF6600"> <STRONG>(1)</STRONG></FONT> The woman's interpretation of her situation or what she wants others to think .. .. <FONT color="#FF6600"><STRONG>(2)</STRONG> </FONT>the male friend's account of what she has said or what he has decided to say about it .. ..<FONT color="#FF6600"> <STRONG>(3)</STRONG></FONT> Max Igan's account of what the female and male have said or what he has decided to say about it .. .. <FONT color="#FF6600"><STRONG>(4)</STRONG> </FONT>the clip up-loader's editing and what they have chosen to present and how they have chosen to present.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Max Igan being some activist kind of a guy, an icon so I hear, has stupidly gone off half-cocked without checking the facts if they are true. Or he has another<STRONG><FONT color="#339966"> $</FONT></STRONG>ource of income? *wink* . One would hope that this is not the case.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ------------------------------------------------------------</P><BLOCKQUOTE><a href="https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/71426">@springyzone</a><STRONG>&nbsp;<FONT color="#008080">wrote:&nbsp;</FONT></STRONG><P class="">&nbsp;</P><P><FONT color="#008080"><EM>The real question on this thread was about the video.</EM></FONT></P><P><FONT color="#008080"><EM>Pure hoax.</EM></FONT></P><P><FONT color="#008080"><EM>If some woman has had money taken out of her account it won't be because she is unvaccinated, it will be for some other reason.</EM></FONT></P><P><BR /><EM><FONT color="#008080">In Vic at the moment, unvaccinated people can shop just about anywhere, although if you try to dine in eg a bistro, they will ask to see your certificate status.</FONT></EM></P><P><BR /><EM><FONT color="#008080">I went to a funeral recently. It was indoors and same deal, although had it been outdoors, then unvaxxed could attend. That is the same with weddings and religious services at the moment too.</FONT></EM></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><EM><FONT color="#008080">I don't consider it too onerous. Dining at a restaurant or bistro isn't exactly necessary, it's what I would call an optional extra in life. And keep in mind the system is only as strict as the individual establishment makes it. I went to a bistro recently and yes, we all had to show our phones but the young man was very pleasant and helpful about it.</FONT></EM></P><P><BR /><EM><FONT color="#008080">My niece recently went to an extremely upscale restaurant (very wealthy boyfriend!) and no one asked to see their proof of vax. They are supposed to, though.</FONT></EM></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><EM><FONT color="#008080">With regard to your question about fines. Fines are never issued on a person's ability to pay. They are issued for an offence. So for instance if you are speeding, the fine will be based on how much over the limit you went, not on your income.</FONT></EM></P><P><BR /><EM><FONT color="#008080">If you can't afford a fine, it is best to avoid doing anything that would get you one in the first place and if you do get into trouble paying it, there may be some provision to pay in installments.</FONT></EM></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><EM><FONT color="#008080">I knew a man once who had lost his licence a lot of times. And faced dozens of speeding fines. It might even have been into the hundreds. All I know is he was forever paying off debt. This was years ago and I think one fine was well over $1000 and that was for speeding and driving without a licence.</FONT></EM></P><P>&nbsp;</P><BR /><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -----------------------------------------------------------------</P><P><BR />Sorry to hear of your loss of someone in your life.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Whenever there is something that can be a hindrance to the profit pursuit of mega corporations, certain tragic things can happen to people around the time of protest. I won't go into the list but one can have an idea. "Coincidence" is how the media reports on this I believe. There are also fake alarm scenarios that emerge. It has been hypothesized on various occasion that these fake alarm scenarios about a bad situation are connected to very industry that is responsible for the that situation. If so, then what would the industry have to gain by doing such a thing? Could it be that they would have something to gain by generating a false alarm and thus discrediting activism against it.</P><P><BR />Oil companies, logging companies, mining and other mineral companies, agri-chemical companies, genetic modification companies, pharmaceutical companies, weapons manufacturing companies etc. etc. make a lot of money. They have never engaged in any nefarious or untoward kind of behaviour and could care less if some activist or activists are a threat to their profit or reputation right? That's what their spin doctors and sympathetic talking heads in the media would have you believe.</P><P><BR />We talk of fines etc., well I agree that if one breaks the law then they should take responsibility for their actions. The man who lost his license had no grounds to really complain. His fault. He should have just accepted it and gotten on with life father than complain about fines adding up.</P><P><BR />Imagine in <A title="NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, Jim Crow Laws - Please click here to read" href="https://www.nps.gov/malu/learn/education/jim_crow_laws.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Alabama and other Southern US states in the '60s</A>&nbsp;. A "Negro" man takes a drink from a water fountain reserved for only whites. He's spotted and gets a fine. Another day after having that extra coffee at the "Negro's canteen" he's busting to go to the rest room. Not wanting to relieve himself in the alley, he makes a B line for the nearest rest room. Wetting himself in public is not a good option. Coming out of the rest room he is spotted. Cop says, "Hey boy, caint ya read" as he points to the sign, WHITES ONLY. See, the COLOURED ONLY rest room is on the other side of town. Putting his hand on the law enforcement officer's shoulder, he says ... "Come on boss, give me a break, I had nowhere else to go". Policeman says ... "Git ya hands off me boy", pushes him and he he pushes him back. Next thing he's in cuffs and off to jail.<BR />After the legal processing is done, he has a fair bit to pay doesn't he! He should be thankful the cop was only doing his job and wasn't a <A title="The New York Times, March 11, 1973 - Eugene ‘Bull’ Connor Dies at 75; Police Head Fought Integration - Please click here to read" href="https://www.nytimes.com/1973/03/11/archives/eugene-bull-connor-dies-at-75-police-head-fought-integration-less.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Eugene "Bull" Connor</A>-influenced type.</P><P><BR />Many people that ventured out did so knowing that our politicians are doing what they normally do. Those politicians who are not being "Gifted" are generally incompetent people from wealthy backgrounds that have no real life experience and definitely no strong core values. Kevin Rudd widely regarded as Australia's best-ever PM came from a non-affluent background, lost his father at an early age and he knows what hardship is. Labour could have been a saviour but Kevin Rudd's non-success of being re-elected signaled the demise of this party. Other parties are more interested in promoting non-traditional lifestyles or promoting racial / religious intolerance &amp; xenophobia.<BR />I believe if the Nationals broke away from the Liberal Party, they could regain a lot of cred. At the moment, Craig Kelly is talking the real talk.</P><P><BR />Now we know that "<A title="MichaelSavage.com - Vaccine Super Bug! – ‘Never vaccinate into the middle of a pandemic’ – Top doctor warned, now it’s coming true - please click here to read" href="https://michaelsavage.com/vaccine-superbug-never-vaccinate-into-the-middle-of-a-pandemic-top-doctor-warned-and-its-coming-true/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">vaccinated</A>&nbsp;" people&nbsp;<A title="BBC News, October 28 - Covid: Double vaccinated can still spread virus at home - By Michelle Roberts, Health editor, BBC News online - Please click here to read" href="https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59077036" target="_blank" rel="noopener">can spread</A>&nbsp; the virus and that in other countries, Doctors are happily treating corona virus patients with early stage safe effective drugs such as <A title="National Library of Medicine - Randomized Controlled Trial Int J Infect Dis . 2021 Feb;103:214-216. doi: 10.1016/j.ijid.2020.11.191. Epub 2020 Dec 2. - A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness - Please click here to read" href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/" target="_self">ivermectin</A>&nbsp;, the law should be reviewed. I'm not in favour breaking the law or revolution as the law is our stability and we don't want the alternative. There's a process to go through to refine and change laws. Honesty and integrity are what we need in people we elect. So far we have done abysmally.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P> Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:56:51 GMT 4channel 2021-11-14T22:56:51Z https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440865#M751908 <P>... can anyone ratify this&nbsp; or give context ?&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><A href="https://youtu.be/NCqdUxryiQI" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/NCqdUxryiQI</A></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P> Thu, 11 Nov 2021 11:43:26 GMT https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440865#M751908 rogevibe 2021-11-11T11:43:26Z https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440870#M751913 <P>I'm in S.A. (different ballgame at the moment)....but I <EM>believe in&nbsp; </EM>NSW &amp; Vic (maybe elsewhere) that unless you're double-jabbed, proprietors have the right to refuse entry. Someone from one of those states might be able to clarify...</P> Thu, 11 Nov 2021 11:57:12 GMT https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440870#M751913 twyngwyn 2021-11-11T11:57:12Z https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440884#M751920 <P>The State Government has no control over the dole (Unemployment Benefit), it is run and paid by the Federal Government.</P><P>The story is unmitigated bull**bleep**.</P> Thu, 11 Nov 2021 16:46:02 GMT https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440884#M751920 joztamps 2021-11-11T16:46:02Z https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440900#M751921 <P>Blimey, did you read the comments on that YouTube clip? <span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":face_with_tears_of_joy:">😂</span></P><P>’mark of the beast’ &amp; ‘there’s a war coming’ &nbsp;……. <span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":grinning_squinting_face:">😆</span></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>To the best of my knowledge, Unemployment benefits have not been withheld for those who are unvaccinated.&nbsp;<BR />I do not receive anything from Centrelink but I know folk who do, and a couple of them are unvaccinated. &nbsp;No mention of loss of payment.&nbsp;<BR /><BR /></P><P>I do know that they are banned from eating in a cafe or restaurant, and can’t enter childcare centres, schools, and some retail shops. …. But that all changes December 1st….. then it’s back to life as usual (as best as we can get atm).&nbsp;</P> Thu, 11 Nov 2021 20:25:32 GMT https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440900#M751921 janeababe 2021-11-11T20:25:32Z https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440901#M751922 <P>Sounds like another one for the far right wingnut collection (boxset the complete first series)</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Now showing on channel four&nbsp;</P> Thu, 11 Nov 2021 20:35:29 GMT https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440901#M751922 sandypebbles 2021-11-11T20:35:29Z https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440902#M751923 <P>If it's true that they are withholding her dole, and clawing money back from her bank account, she may be another victim of the latest iteration of Morrison's Robodebt.</P><P>But still nothing to do with vaccination.</P> Thu, 11 Nov 2021 20:40:34 GMT https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440902#M751923 joztamps 2021-11-11T20:40:34Z https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440904#M751924 <P>Seriously &amp; calmly : You really think this wouldn't make HEADLINES.</P> Thu, 11 Nov 2021 21:02:56 GMT https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440904#M751924 domino-710 2021-11-11T21:02:56Z https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440917#M751925 <P>It would have made headlines and those affected would definitely not be calm about it, so...</P> Thu, 11 Nov 2021 22:11:45 GMT https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440917#M751925 papermoon.lady 2021-11-11T22:11:45Z https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440919#M751926 <P>All I saw was an old bloke talking into a camera - then listening to a ' mate ' - state what??</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>' A friend.........................................bla bla bla '.</P> Thu, 11 Nov 2021 22:38:18 GMT https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440919#M751926 domino-710 2021-11-11T22:38:18Z https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440927#M751928 <P>It's not even a new video. It's 11 days old with no reliable sources.</P> Thu, 11 Nov 2021 23:12:59 GMT https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440927#M751928 papermoon.lady 2021-11-11T23:12:59Z https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440929#M751930 <P>No reliable sources</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Fits the bill perfectly&nbsp;</P> Thu, 11 Nov 2021 23:16:20 GMT https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440929#M751930 sandypebbles 2021-11-11T23:16:20Z https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440930#M751931 <P>Calmly ' ratified ' then.&nbsp;<span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":face_with_rolling_eyes:">🙄</span></P> Thu, 11 Nov 2021 23:58:28 GMT https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440930#M751931 domino-710 2021-11-11T23:58:28Z https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440931#M751932 <P><A href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWSwE5UcWS0" target="_self">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWSwE5UcWS0</A>&nbsp;</P> Fri, 12 Nov 2021 00:03:52 GMT https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440931#M751932 sandypebbles 2021-11-12T00:03:52Z https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440943#M751934 <P>I think it is someone just out to stir up trouble.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>With Scomo looking more and more like he is on the campaign trail why would the government look to stir up the electorate by withholding the dole from unvaccinated voters? The opposition will almost certainly use the Robodebt fiasco in its campaign strategy for the upcoming election so why would a marketing man like Scomo give them anything more upon which to attack the government?&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>@rogespeed, you found a video put together by a nutter and posted it here for comment knowing full well the content has no basis in fact.&nbsp; Perhaps the Dan Andrews hater of this forum will post the outrage you may be seeking.&nbsp;</P> Fri, 12 Nov 2021 02:09:47 GMT https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440943#M751934 k1ooo-slr-sales 2021-11-12T02:09:47Z https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440944#M751935 <P>Sounds like a case of someone entering aged care or suddenly under trustee control or the far north regarding some issued with food vouchers rather than cash ( with domestic bills paid prearranged online , forgot what the program is called ) - but no wholesale blocking of bank accounts as per vax status&nbsp;</P><P>Does give the very wrong impression to some of those over the pond , which is my concern&nbsp;&nbsp;</P> Fri, 12 Nov 2021 02:15:11 GMT https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440944#M751935 rogevibe 2021-11-12T02:15:11Z https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440945#M751936 <BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><a href="https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/902803">@rogevibe</a>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><P>Sounds like a case of someone entering aged care or suddenly under trustee control or the far north regarding some issued with food vouchers rather than cash ( with domestic bills paid prearranged online , forgot what the program is called ) - but no wholesale blocking of bank accounts as per vax status&nbsp;</P><P>Does give the very wrong impression to some of those over the pond , which is my concern&nbsp;&nbsp;</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>&nbsp;</P><P>seriously and calmly . . . what????????</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Did I watch the wrong video?</P> Fri, 12 Nov 2021 02:20:07 GMT https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440945#M751936 k1ooo-slr-sales 2021-11-12T02:20:07Z https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440946#M751937 <P>Over which pond??</P> Fri, 12 Nov 2021 02:19:07 GMT https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440946#M751937 domino-710 2021-11-12T02:19:07Z https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440947#M751938 <P>If one does not say anything and wear a mask seems shopping as normal - the powers have not issued large crimson corona i am vax'd id lapel badges yet ....</P> Fri, 12 Nov 2021 02:20:58 GMT https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440947#M751938 rogevibe 2021-11-12T02:20:58Z https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440948#M751939 <P>I agree , but i wanted to know exactly what the issue is and clarify in their comments section&nbsp;</P> Fri, 12 Nov 2021 02:22:49 GMT https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440948#M751939 rogevibe 2021-11-12T02:22:49Z https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440949#M751940 <P>Yes i could just imagine the effect of sudden loss of beer money and other luxuries amongst struggle class and the welfare middle class set - however most at least in the plague cities have now been vaxxed&nbsp;</P> Fri, 12 Nov 2021 02:27:07 GMT https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/Seriously-and-calmly-can/m-p/2440949#M751940 rogevibe 2021-11-12T02:27:07Z