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Setting a Precedent ?????

katistrophik — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 04:57:22 GMT

Right or wrong, anti or pro, this happened:

https://www.australiannationalreview.com/state-of-affairs/nsw-police-officer-belinda-hocroft-wins-court-case-claiming-mandated-vaxxine-is-unlawful-and-incorrect/

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rogevibe — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 05:27:42 GMT

Why is it not mandated for seasonal influenza ?

kills up tp 4000 per year

https://www.universallifetools.com/2021/03/australia-influenza-covid-death-statistics-2009-to-2021/

Lets be consistent !

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domino-710 — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 05:37:46 GMT

Settled out of Court - means there is no ' precedent '.

I'm neither pro or anti - it's totally a personal choice - and should be.

Perhaps the mandates should have exemptions - such as - vaccinated - or wear a mask & be tested weekly.

Then again - we have lived with mandatory vaxxs for years - why not this one. ??

Just a question.??

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imastawka — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 05:53:49 GMT

One of the responders -

I am a teacher in nsw, obviously can’t work any more. I would love to be compensated for loss of livelyhood and begin my own educational business.

I'm kinda glad this one is longer teaching.

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not_for_sale — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 07:57:29 GMT

I find the article to be bizarre. Settled out of court but viewed to be a precedent and a win - according to who? Certainly not the court. It does not state the court ruled it to be unlawful. I would take everything in the article with a grain of salt and wait for future cases with court rulings before jumping to legal conclusions

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domino-710 — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 08:00:12 GMT

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countessalmirena — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 08:38:23 GMT

I cannot find a legitimate source for such a report. Thus far, from a report in the Sydney Morning Herald:

“Hocroft withdrew her application from court due to the impact that the proceedings would have on her career as a police officer,” her lawyer, Charly Tannous said. He dismissed reports circulating on social media, some of which suggest it had been settled in her favour and would set a precedent, saying they were “fake” and circulated by other lawyers hoping to drum up business.

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domino-710 — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 09:09:42 GMT

Do we have - The Australian National Review - Versus - The Syney Morning Herald.

There was a link.

The link stated - settled out of Court - so same - same.

It has been already been stated - settled - whatever - does not set a ' precendent '.

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countessalmirena — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 09:55:06 GMT

Hmmm… just a quick google and I find this sort of link:

https://singlespeedgoldcoast.com/2021/10/09/how-to-make-money-through-a-covid-scam/

It’s not the only article or page concerning Jamie McIntyre, and a very quick look through the website of Australian National Review demonstrates things that I find disturbing.

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springyzone — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 11:50:06 GMT

@rogevibe wrote:
Why is it not mandated for seasonal influenza ?

kills up tp 4000 per year

https://www.universallifetools.com/2021/03/australia-influenza-covid-death-statistics-2009-to-2021/

Lets be consistent !
----------
I know it is popular for anti vaxxers to refer to this simply as covid flu.
I'd let that slip by but I would just like to add one observation.

I have never known anyone who died from flu. I know it happens, but it has never happened to anyone I know or any friend or relative of anyone I know.

Not that my personal experiences are the be all and end all. It's an indication only.
Up until about a month ago, I had also never known anyone who had had covid or who knew anyone who had.
Then about 3 weeks ago, my brother in law who was 72, he got it and was dead within the week.
And today I called in on someone who told me their life was in a bit of turmoil at the moment. Her father in law died on Saturday at the same hospital. 3 weeks ago he was healthy and he and his wife went out to dinner with my friend, then suddenly last week he became ill and was dead within a handful of days. It's that fast.

My daughter knows a family who all had it and the wife said it was worse than any flu she has ever known, and she was double vaxxed so it was likely milder.

What I am saying is I believe this is a lot more serious than the normal seasonal flu. It might be a mistake to fob it off as just the same and try to apply the same responses across the board.

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janeababe — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 12:38:09 GMT

@katistrophik wrote:
Right or wrong, anti or pro, this happened:

https://www.australiannationalreview.com/state-of-affairs/nsw-police-officer-belinda-hocroft-wins-court-case-claiming-mandated-vaxxine-is-unlawful-and-incorrect/

I note that the heading of this article has spelt it Vaxxine …. So, I’m going with Fake news. 😃

Also, if it’s settled out of court, then how can it set a precedence?

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janeababe — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 12:39:35 GMT

@rogevibe wrote:
Why is it not mandated for seasonal influenza ?

kills up tp 4000 per year

https://www.universallifetools.com/2021/03/australia-influenza-covid-death-statistics-2009-to-2021/

Lets be consistent !

It’s mandated with my employer and has been for many many years.

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domino-710 — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 19:49:25 GMT

Oh oh.........................................

Analysis / Bias

In review, the Australian National Review promotes pseudoscience such as anti-vaccination and anti-gmo propaganda. In addition to these, they also publish conspiracy theories such as those involving ChemTrails. In many cases, they source to other conspiracy and pseudoscience websites, such as the Food Babe and Natural News. In general, this is a strongly rated conspiracy and pseudoscience website that is low for factual information.

The Australian National Review has also promoted misinformation and conspiracy theories regarding covid-19 as demonstrated below in our failed fact checks.

Re: Setting a Precedent ?????

rogevibe — Fri, 19 Nov 2021 04:45:14 GMT

I was implying why not make influenza vax just as mandatory as Covid-19 vax given the regular yearly death toll ( although the 4000+ was a particularly bad year in sunny Australia ) or mitigate against influenza incursions in like manner as covid-19 - screening international visitors , quick flu-antigen tests in the workplace and studyplace etc ( work off and no doubt sub-clinical student stress from flu is quite significant )

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rogevibe — Fri, 19 Nov 2021 04:59:42 GMT

I would look into the facts in detail regarding the " father in law" case because as noted the timeline is not typical for a fatal covid-19 case - as is quick to infect to distressing observable symptoms (like 4 days ) but usually slow to kill (like 2-3 weeks )

Is a virus not a bacteria or chemical

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rogevibe — Fri, 19 Nov 2021 05:04:37 GMT

and the Australian National Review has to do with what in context of the linked statistics ?

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rogevibe — Fri, 19 Nov 2021 05:06:54 GMT

then you can attest that influenza causes no suffering within those of your workplace

A wonderful affirmation of my contention

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domino-710 — Fri, 19 Nov 2021 05:14:29 GMT

@rogevibe wrote:
and the Australian National Review has to do with what in context of the linked statistics ?

The link given in the OP - is totally questionable

What context of what linked stats. ????????????????

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janeababe — Fri, 19 Nov 2021 09:04:43 GMT

@rogevibe wrote:
then you can attest that influenza causes no suffering within those of your workplace

A wonderful affirmation of my contention

Why would I attest to that?
The annual flu shot is a preventative. Not a cure!
Same as the covid-19 vaccine.

I really don’t understand the purpose of your post tbh!

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janeababe — Fri, 19 Nov 2021 09:09:55 GMT

@rogevibe wrote:
I would look into the facts in detail regarding the " father in law" case because as noted the timeline is not typical for a fatal covid-19 case - as is quick to infect to distressing observable symptoms (like 4 days ) but usually slow to kill (like 2-3 weeks )
Is a virus not a bacteria or chemical

Medical expert now, are you?

I know first hand how ‘efficient’ of a killer this virus can be! 😞