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Pandemic over soon ...

rogevibe — Sat, 08 Jan 2022 03:03:17 GMT

with another day another 30,000+ cases within NSW the pandemic will surely end soon as they run out of the unvaccinated or will Camberra run out of unvaccinated first ?

Fortunately the South Africans were correct in evaluating Omicron as being highly infectious but relatively mild - almost effectively the fourth vaccine for those fated to contract

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domino-710 — Sat, 08 Jan 2022 03:55:53 GMT

' Camberra ' is sure to run out first. 🤣

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not_for_sale — Sat, 08 Jan 2022 04:08:01 GMT

Plenty of vaccinated people are contracting the virus. I doubt the families of the mass who have died from Omicron would regard it as "relatively mild". Virtually everybody will get Covid-19, and sadly many more will die. We need to hope the hospitals and health staff can continue hold on, but it's looking grim.

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domino-710 — Sat, 08 Jan 2022 04:25:27 GMT

I'm not exactly sure when the facts are going to sink in.

There is no - them - or - us - vaccinated or unvaccinated.

Both are able to catch - and - pass on - Covid.

The vaccinated will suffer less severe symptoms.

The unvaccinated - well - that's their problem.

Along with the problem of the health system.

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janeababe — Sat, 08 Jan 2022 09:01:57 GMT

Actually NFS, there has still been a great spread of the delta variant and it’s this variant that are in predominantly causing the hospitalisations, the ICU admissions and deaths.

The unvaccinated are the super spreaders!

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myoclon1cjerk — Sat, 08 Jan 2022 09:51:49 GMT

It seems only one politician did the smart thing and that's Mark McGowan.

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rogevibe — Sat, 08 Jan 2022 10:16:30 GMT

ongoing discussion :

The unvaccinated - well - that's their problem.

Along with the problem of the health system.

.... and along with employment in VIC ( need not apply : being a problem for the unvaccinated )

There is no - them - or - us - vaccinated or unvaccinated.

Both are able to catch - and - pass on - Covid.

" and remember the pandemic is the pandemic of the unvaccinated ! " by Govt dictate

The vaccinated will suffer less severe symptoms.

what is less severe symptoms than mild ?

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not_for_sale — Sat, 08 Jan 2022 10:22:03 GMT

@janeababe wrote:
Actually NFS, there has still been a great spread of the delta variant and it’s this variant that are in predominantly causing the hospitalisations, the ICU admissions and deaths.

The unvaccinated are the super spreaders!

That is true, in part, because the Delta variant has been around for longer and people have been sicker for longer. NSW, QLD, VIC and SA have all had Omicron deaths and of concern is the younger age of the victims. One man in his 30s died even though he was fully vaccinated. Omicron will spread across the country and vaccination is not guaranteed to prevent death. Also, the ability to access full health care will be reduced as the nurses and doctors struggle to keep up. IMO, other than in WA, the pandemic is out of control because the Governments have lost control. Scary times!

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rogevibe — Sat, 08 Jan 2022 10:22:20 GMT

oh yes , kept to the original national strategy

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rogevibe — Sat, 08 Jan 2022 10:31:06 GMT

For covid cases admitted do they also test for influenza - seems a looming crisis in America Covid + Influenza called colloquially Flurona

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3162534/how-dangerous-flurona-covid-19-and-flu-double-whammy-omicron

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rogevibe — Sat, 08 Jan 2022 10:34:05 GMT

' Camberra ' is sure to run out first.

I agree

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janeababe — Sat, 08 Jan 2022 10:51:11 GMT

It’s not just that the nurses and doctors are struggling to keep up, it’s also due to the fact that staff are becoming infected. We have 2 staff off atm, with covid. Both double vaccinated. More will come, no doubt.

Some remote health services are sooooo desperate for staff, they’ve offered enormous $$ benefits + accomodation + a car for use + all meals.

Desperate times. We are short staffed. Staff are Doing overtime, double shifts, I’m currently on my 9th shift in a row, and still have tomorrow to go.

We have to RAT test before each shift and log our results online.

Scary times ahead I think! 🥺

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not_for_sale — Sat, 08 Jan 2022 11:11:38 GMT

And the problem is widespread, beyond the hospitals. The Governments are stressing the importance of a booster to increase protection. Yet somebody close to me was meant to have hers last week at a surgery, but all of the nurses were unavailable because they are in quarantine. I'm told this is virtually the case everywhere. And many of my friends (nurses/doctors) are experiencing high levels of stress and are worried about the short and medium-term future.

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domino-710 — Sat, 08 Jan 2022 23:28:55 GMT

@rogevibe wrote:
ongoing discussion :

The unvaccinated - well - that's their problem.

Along with the problem of the health system.

.... and along with employment in VIC ( need not apply : being a problem for the unvaccinated )

There is no - them - or - us - vaccinated or unvaccinated.

Both are able to catch - and - pass on - Covid.

" and remember the pandemic is the pandemic of the unvaccinated ! " by Govt dictate

The vaccinated will suffer less severe symptoms.

what is less severe symptoms than mild ?

What - has Delta left us.

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rogevibe — Sun, 09 Jan 2022 10:16:02 GMT

I believe 100k new cases nationally in one day , thankfully most being self-managed at their home but that leaves critical services where for at least 3 weeks , unless is also the pandemic of the unemployed

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rogevibe — Sun, 09 Jan 2022 11:02:21 GMT

What - has Delta left us.

Omicron is outcompeting Delta , i suppose using popular covid thought : if a person is admited to hospital is Delta , if not is Omicron

or delta cases pre omicron era minus total cases now to determine ratio of omicron infections to delta

Delta death rate is quite low in Australia compared with many northern hemisphere countries

and remember these are variants of concern , there are supposed to be c100,000 variants out there circulating quietly somewhere - sniffles ?

New coronavirus variant 'Deltacron' emerges in Cyprus; experts say 'not something to be worried about' | World News – India TV (indiatvnews.com)

Good idea to shore up your immune system

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countessalmirena — Sun, 09 Jan 2022 13:08:01 GMT

The pandemic is not over, and it's highly unlikely to be over soon.

I said at the start... when we first became alerted to this virus once cases began to be seen outside China... that this would become a pandemic. A family member wanted me to tell him in March that it would be over by the end of the year; I shook my head. I didn't want to disillusion or worry the family member too much, so I merely said, "It's going to take at least 2-3 years."

Omicron isn't going to be the last variant of concern; that's my view at this stage.

It's going to take a while longer; that's also my view at this stage.

The NSW premier made the wrong decision to allow the tossing away of masks, and I thought and said it at the time. (My words - internal and external - may have been somewhat Shakespearean.)

Relaxing restrictions in Victoria - also at the wrong time. Letting people remove masks in recital centres and concert halls, with masks only being "encouraged" to be worn? Madness.

IT'S. NOT. OVER.

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springyzone — Sun, 09 Jan 2022 21:49:00 GMT

Absolutely! Madness. I couldn't believe it when NSW forged ahead to allow no masks. Melbourne isn't much better. It's such a little thing to ask of people and if it makes a difference, why remove the requirements?

Back at the start, I recall looking up the stats on Spanish flu as a guide and saying 2-3 years there. But we live in a society that wants 'instant' everything. I don't think anyone really believed me.

The pandemic isn't over. I was reading that it will officially be over once numbers stabilise to a steady, predictable pattern, rather like the flu numbers each year. With none of these sudden surges.

That certainly isn't the case now. We are seeing a surge in numbers worldwide. It's not steady, it's not entirely predictable and it isn't easily handled by the hospital system. We're seeing a lot of elective surgery being put off.

When the numbers of covid cases drop to a level where hospitals can carry on as usual with everything else, without covid putting a particular strain on everyone, then we'll know the end is in sight.

We are nowhere near that yet.

This is just a personal aside: I have a brother in law & his wife who are booked on a double cruise in Oct 2022. To northern lights and then Mediterranean. Cruise was booked in 2019 for Oct 2021 but we all know how well that worked out, so the cruise was rescheduled.

They have invited us to book and go with them. I haven't. I am not conviced that even by Oct 2022 that the travel industry will be all sorted and pretty well risk free, especially re travel insurance.

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rogevibe — Mon, 10 Jan 2022 00:07:26 GMT

My understanding is :

Has been decreed that the covid contagion is a pandemic of the unvaccinated

In regard to the above maybe reasonable to consider that all unvaxxxed that survive an infection should be counted in the same group as the vaxxxed , if so when the pool of unvaxxxed become zero the pandemic by definition should be declared over and all restrictions lifted

No unvaxxxed , no problems

or else it is not a pandemic of the unvaxxxed , maybe a pandemic of the intrinsically unhealthy in body and/or a high density viral loading lifestyle

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rogevibe — Mon, 10 Jan 2022 00:15:37 GMT

We as a nation had our chance to be free from the pest and let it burn out in those countries less fortunate than us whereby we could reopen international borders with the virus having devolved to that of danger as the common cold