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Russia - such a disgrace !

kopenhagen5 — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 02:08:02 GMT

I don't know about anyone else. but I nor our business, is any longer buying anything remotely Russian.

This is not so much choosing to take a side, but merely not wanting to be seen as condoning recent events.

'Hands off Ukraine!' Russian protesters, celebrities risk arrest to denounce Putin's war (yahoo.com)

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domino-710 — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:01:02 GMT

I totally agree Kopes.

And I don't mind saying I will take sides - what has been done is unforgivable.

The same can be said for the different kind of war we have been fighting for the past 2 years - nothing purchased from China either.

Zilch.

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not_for_sale — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:39:51 GMT

Putin has ordered his military to invade Ukraine. The order has already resulted in the killing of Ukraine soldiers and the murder of innocent Ukraine men, women and children. This should not be tolerated in a world where the vast majority of people want to live peacefully. Putin is an evil psychopath and must be held accountable. I hope a high price is put on his head.

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ambercat16 — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:51:05 GMT

Thank god I prefer Finlandia vodka😎

Actually, I really can't think of anything I buy that is produced in Russia🤔. My son did bring me back some Russian chocolate from his holiday in Moscow and St Petersburg last year but it was only okay and not worth looking to import more.

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countessalmirena — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:54:31 GMT

For me it’s not so much Russia, not the ordinary people of Russia, as it is Vladimir Putin, his government and his armed forces.

The Russians I know are in shock, horrified.

It is absolutely a disgrace. Russia is a huge and powerful country; it doesn’t need Ukraine. But I understand it’s about something different… grabbing back historical territory that has been under Russian control or at least under its umbrella previously. But the tumultuous history of Ukraine reflects a long struggle for independence, which it gained… and to try to take that away by force is horrible.

Would it not have been better for Russia to create ties of friendship and support rather than to loom threateningly in anticipation of aggressive invasion? After all, go back far enough in Russia’s history and you’ll find other tribes who occupied or controlled the various parts of the land… At what point do we stop saying, “We controlled this section of the earth once so it’s forever ours”…?

I am very concerned that all the huffing and puffing won’t stop Russia vanquishing Ukraine. Political and financial sanctions - are they going to cause Putin to so much as pause for thought? Really worrying for so many reasons.

My prayers and thoughts are with the people of Ukraine.

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domino-710 — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 04:33:48 GMT

More to the point of needing/wanting Ukraine :

Russia's access to the world's oceans, aside from the Arctic, is also limited. ... It also reveals why Russia is, for all intents and purposes, a landlocked country. A country's access to the sea can greatly influence its economic and political strength.

Ukraine is not a landlocked country. Ukraine has a coastline on the Black Sea of approximately 1,728 miles.

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countessalmirena — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 04:45:32 GMT

That’s a point worth keeping in mind.

Russia does have the Crimea, of course…

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k1ooo-slr-sales — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 04:51:19 GMT

they must really be kicking themself for selling Alaska all those years ago!

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domino-710 — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 05:33:16 GMT

Indeed - they were paid 7.2 million in 1867.

Today worth approx 137,000,000 - well worth the price.

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not_for_sale — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 05:34:26 GMT

Did anybody see Trump responding to questions about the Ukraine invasion? He said Putin was, "smart, savvy and a genius". He also said NATO is dumb and Biden caused the invasion. I wonder what would be happening now if he was still the US President.

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domino-710 — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 05:36:02 GMT

In 2014, Russia annexed the peninsula and established two federal subjects there, Republic of Crimea and the federal city of Sevastopol, but the territories are still internationally recognized as being part of Ukraine.

Illegally.

As of today Russia continues to illegally occupy Ukraine's Autonomous Republic of Crimea (26 081 km²), the city of Sevastopol (864 km²), certain areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions (16799 km²) — in total 43744 km² or 7,2% of the territory of Ukraine.

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countessalmirena — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 06:04:16 GMT

Yes, illegally, and Putin was shameless in that business too.

Territorial greed; identity greed; power gred. It's Putin on the Blitz.

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domino-710 — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 06:32:54 GMT

Putin has never gotten over the loss of the USSR.

Make Russia Great Again.

He has waited patiently for 20 odd years.

We can only hope the sanctions of the rest - will go to not - not - feeding his war machine.

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tasfleur — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 06:47:15 GMT

"Did anybody see Trump responding to questions about the Ukraine invasion? He said Putin was, "smart, savvy and a genius". He also said NATO is dumb and Biden caused the invasion. I wonder what would be happening now if he was still the US President"

In my opinion, it is most likely ex US President Trump would be openly cheering Putin on as some kind of a "hero" of the 21st century. They are very much alike and as dangerous as each other.

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domino-710 — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 07:06:48 GMT

Trump - should be seen as a - TRAITOR.

Go back to the phone calls - trying to get dirt on Biden - and his son - he literally withheld military aid and funds from Ukraine.

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tasfleur — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 07:05:23 GMT

Absolutely Domino, I couldn't agree more.

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not_for_sale — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 07:55:56 GMT

I wish the world leaders would stop saying Russia must face the consequences for this invasion. I'm not convinced the majority of Russians support Putin. He and his Government must be punished, not the Russian people.

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domino-710 — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 08:56:18 GMT

@not_for_sale wrote:
I wish the world leaders would stop saying Russia must face the consequences for this invasion. I'm not convinced the majority of Russians support Putin. He and his Government must be punished, not the Russian people.

Why - Russia must face the consequences for this WAR - and it is WAR.

Whether the majority support - hello - they took out the Romanovs in 1917 - they could collectively take out Putin.

Where is the CIA when you really need them.

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domino-710 — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 09:07:32 GMT

How the world has changed - with all the modern stuff - it is very different now.

When Hitler marched into Poland - the reaction was - WWII.

When Putin marches into Ukraine - it's sanctions.

Those who are ' game ' - hold us all to ransom - because they're not remotely interested in the humanitarian issues - only the ' power '.

Heaven help us.

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twyngwyn — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 09:20:05 GMT

Take down his billions that he has stashed in the West...might make him take notice...freeze funds....then his family will have to return 'home'....not a good look!