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Queen Elizabeth II has died

countessalmirena — Thu, 08 Sep 2022 19:46:54 GMT

The Queen had died, aged 96.

Longest-ruling UK monarch in its history, much respected, greatly loved in the UK…

No news as yet on cause of death, but she’s had health issues over the last couple of years. There were fears for her health and the Palace advised her to cancel a virtual Privy Council meeting on Thursday.

Farewell to a strong, capable lady who was undertaking her duties even up to two days before her death, when she appointed Liz Truss as the new Prime Minister.

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countessalmirena — Thu, 08 Sep 2022 19:48:36 GMT

The BBC live coverage:

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-62842089

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papermoon.lady — Thu, 08 Sep 2022 21:46:04 GMT

@countessalmirena wrote:

No news as yet on cause of death, but she’s had health issues over the last couple of years. There were fears for her health and the Palace advised her to cancel a virtual Privy Council meeting on Thursday.

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Just a few days ago I read that Prince Charles (now King Charles III) was visiting her every day, probably expecting her to die soon.
As you said, no cause of death has been named yet, but they said she died peacefully.

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springyzone — Thu, 08 Sep 2022 22:29:11 GMT

It is the end of an era. No matter what people think of the monarchy, there is no doubt she devoted her life to her job and was a figure of stability over the decades, whatever else was happening in the world. Only 2 days before her death, she was having a formal meeting with the new British PM. I'd be sure she was quite frail at that point.

I doubt there will be a 70 year reign again. Even Prince William is now older than she was when she became queen.

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k1ooo-slr-sales — Thu, 08 Sep 2022 23:49:46 GMT

she set the standard by which all others will be judged.

A huge loss for England, the UK, the Commonwealth and the World.

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janeababe — Sat, 10 Sep 2022 11:16:10 GMT

I was on night duty and heard the first tv announcement of her death approx 0320hrs. (3.20am)

I was really saddened by the reality of her death.

I am a Royalist. I was really hoping with baited breath that Charlie would pass over to William, but nope!
I also noted that the now, Queen Consort, exited the Royal car before the King today and wandered off on her own to talk to onlookers, while King Charles III was still exiting the car.
She will need to learn her place ……. She is to play 2nd fiddle now! (I bet she won’t, though)

Anyway, I will miss Old Lillibet. I absolutely adored her 😢💔

May she rest in eternal peace 🙏

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springyzone — Sat, 10 Sep 2022 12:20:52 GMT

The thing with the system of royalty, which I think a lot of modern people have trouble accepting, is it is an inherited position. It's not a democracy, we don't get to vote. It passes from one person to their child or sibling. By the nature of the system, sometimes you'll get gold, like the queen, sometimes you might get a dud.

Charles will probably be okay, he has been depicted as a bit strange but that's because he was into organic gardening and recycling etc well before the public got on the bandwagon.

I think it is right and fitting, in the context, that Charles gets the job. It is what the queen wanted, she even chose Camilla's title. There is no logical reason that Charles should pass it on to William, that would be akin to abdication and unless he had serious health issues, I don't think it would be the right thing for him to do.

And in a lot of ways, I think it is kinder on William and his family too. They can lead as normal a life as possible in the meantime.

Plus, there is nothing to say William will live another 60 years or even another year. Odds are he will, but if he didn't, the crown would pass to his son George and that, I think, would be a constitutional crisis for the monarchy as George won't be old enough to do the job for a couple of decades.

I actually don't mind Camilla. I saw her interviewed and she seemed like a level headed woman. I know she isn't as glamourous as Diana was but it should never be just about the glamour. I think her personality is probably much more suited to Charles, it is a pity he didn't marry her in the first place.

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janeababe — Sat, 10 Sep 2022 21:26:15 GMT

Thank you Springy. I wouldn’t call myself a modern generation, and I am very well educated on how the Royal family line proceeds.
I just didn’t want Charles to take the Throne.
I don’t like Camilla. I respect her position in the Royal Family, but I just don’t like her. And this has nothing to do with her looks. She was stunningly beautiful in her younger days (weren’t we all 😉)

I think now, the people need a Ruler who is young and fresh, who can grasp the goings on and keep up with it. I find Charles a tad too relaxed for the job at hand.
Kate can handle anything. She has already proved herself in that regard. And nothing about their life, ever was or ever will be *normal*.

That being said…. I absolutely agree with you one your statement that Charles should have married Camilla but his family thought it an unfit union due to Camilla having had previous ‘serious relationships’

Of course, the church had to change its ruling in 2002 so that Charles could marry Camilla and still keep his position to the throne. Up until then, if he remarried, he would not become King. The Church of England had strict rules on Royal Succession. But they married in 2005, with the churches blessing.

But it’s obvious that they loved each other, and who are we to stand in the way of true love.

Noted that Camilla and Andrew divorced in 1995 and then Charles and Di divorced the following year in 1996. All a bit too *pre-planned* I felt.

Anyway, regardless of all that, King Charles III it is and so….LONG LIVE THE KING.

Added a few pics of Camilla in her youth. I think she was stunning. Wearing the black dress in both pics, and her wedding to Major Andrew Parker Bowles.

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countessalmirena — Sat, 10 Sep 2022 21:38:10 GMT

I’m no particular Charles fan. (Nor do I warm up to Camilla, but she hasn’t courted the press since marrying Charles, which I think may have helped her image somewhat.) As he’s king, though, I hope he does a good job of all that’s involved. Queen Elizabeth had it down to a fine art.

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papermoon.lady — Sat, 10 Sep 2022 22:07:58 GMT

I feel like you, Jane, and no, it has nothing to do with looks. Maybe it is something unconscious because I would have preferred Diana to be in her place.

Springy, didn't you once say that you are a distant cousin of Diana?

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domino-710 — Sat, 10 Sep 2022 23:33:09 GMT

Firstly - Charles 111 is not a Ruler - he is the head of a Constitutional Monarchy - he has no ability beyond that.

Parliament does.

I think he will make a fine King - a dignified King - following the example of his Mother - Duty - for as long as he lives.

As she did not - nor will he ever - abdicate - nor should he - not even in ill health - he can appoint a Regent - which would obviously be William.

As for Camilla - it is what it is - I also think his job will be made easier for the fact she will be beside him as Queen Consort - to support.

May Elizabeth 11 rest in peace beside Philip.

' God Save the King '.

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springyzone — Sat, 10 Sep 2022 23:57:33 GMT

@papermoon.lady wrote:
I feel like you, Jane, and no, it has nothing to do with looks. Maybe it is something unconscious because I would have preferred Diana to be in her place.
Springy, didn't you once say that you are a distant cousin of Diana?

Yes, apparently, but I should add, a very, very distant cousin. I forget how many generations back but a lot. About 2 or 3 hundred years on what is my Coath line.

I guess I made the comments about Camilla and glamour as I get a bit sick of hearing or reading comments (not necessarily here but in media) that she looks like a horse etc. I think she looks like a perfectly average woman. I don't think she ever hit the heights of glamour that Diana did but not that many people do. I have always felt Diana and Charles just weren't the best match. I feel a bit sorry for Charles as I think he was probably nagged into finding a wife and settling down.

I'd guess that we'll have Charles there as king for maybe 20 years, although it isn't a given he'll live that long. It gives William a chance to have a breather before he has to take it all on. Charles may make some popular changes. There is talk he would like to pare down the number of royals on the public purse and some of the expenses.

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papermoon.lady — Sun, 11 Sep 2022 00:09:46 GMT

Some interesting facts/records:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_monarchy_records

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springyzone — Sun, 11 Sep 2022 00:43:04 GMT

My goodness, Henry 1 had a lot of children. Many of them seem to have been illegitimate, I wonder how they know for sure they were his.

Edward 1 did very well with the number of legit children too, mainly to his first wife.

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domino-710 — Sun, 11 Sep 2022 01:46:10 GMT

LOL - careful if your name begins with Fitz.............

The prefix Fitz as in Fitzwalter (from French fils and Latin filius) is a patronymic meaning ‘son of.’ The connotation of illegitimacy was introduced by Charles II who named one of his **bleep**s Fitzroy, (‘son of the king’), and Fitzclarence was an illegitimate son of the Duke of Clarence, later William IV.

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domino-710 — Sun, 11 Sep 2022 08:12:39 GMT

LOL - in the context of history - the other word for ' illegitimate ' is bleeped.

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*sons_and_daughters* — Mon, 12 Sep 2022 02:29:13 GMT

@domino-710 wrote:
LOL - in the context of history - the other word for ' illegitimate ' is bleeped.

My nearly 57yo brother has always said he's only half a "barstid", because mum got married while she was pregnant. Such a scandal in the 60s!

They were planning on getting married, they just had to bring the wedding forward a few months.

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domino-710 — Mon, 12 Sep 2022 03:27:34 GMT

My older brother is ' now ' a bleep.

My original birth cert was not enough for a new passport - had to get an extract - which previously was not as pertinent as the original - anywhoos.....................

They stuffed up the year of my parents marriage - by a year - which shed hazy light on big brother.

On enquiring about the mistake - it was going to cost me $32 to have it fixed - hello - not my mistake - so the certificate stands.

He wears the ' title ' proudly.

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papermoon.lady — Thu, 22 Sep 2022 03:17:59 GMT

Try to guess who the royal babies or young children were without looking at the right side with the names... 🙂

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/g27397269/queen-elizabeth-princess-diana-eugenie-royal-family-baby-photos/

I think Camilla is the most recognizable (but she is not a baby; she is 4).