topic Re: Shill Bidding in Buying

Shill Bidding

decoretrocollectables — Sun, 02 Sep 2012 22:16:34 GMT

Does anyone know what happens when sellers are found guilty of shill bidding.. I caught someone out over the weekend..

I don't know how they sleep at night, ripping people off!

Re: Shill Bidding

foxette-in-sox — Sun, 02 Sep 2012 22:19:55 GMT

Not a lot IMO- ie I reported 2 people afew years ago & the only thing that happened was that seller was restricted to buy it now listings for about a month & nothing seemed to happen to the fake bidding id-pfft.

Re: Shill Bidding

kopenhagen5 — Mon, 03 Sep 2012 00:49:27 GMT

Ebay will often act on obvious accounts of shilling, however seeing as not all situations are obvious, benefit of the doubt is and should be given.

Then if there are multiple reports in a period of time and from different members, more action may be taken.

A few months ago I reported an obvious case with multiple accounts, within a few hours all the listings were removed and a message sent to all bidders not to pay if you have already won.

Re: Shill Bidding

kopenhagen5 — Mon, 03 Sep 2012 01:19:36 GMT

This is also another I reported -

Thank you for contacting eBay with regard to your report about a bidder
on the listing of xxxxxxxxx. I understand the frustration you’re
feeling since it is unfair because it takes away the essence of an
honest auction.

Rest assured that I already have taken appropriate action on xxxxxxxxx
and their bidder's account basing on our strict Shill Bidding Policy.

Consequences ranged from a warning to closing their account. Sometimes
sanctions on a seller’s account are not made public, such as selling
restrictions and loss of selling discounts, and privileges. I had also
taken action on the listing as this is to prove that members who violate
any of our site policy will be dealt with accordingly.

Ebay CAN prove shilling when they have access to IP addresses. As well a simple phone number check can see if accounts come from the same suburb. That is of course not proof as the same IP addresses, but can warrant further investigations or red-flagging accounts.

Re: Shill Bidding

garvoc3265 — Mon, 03 Sep 2012 01:24:59 GMT

COPENHAGEN DONT YOU ALREADY HAVE A HOBBY. MAYBE YOU SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON THAT.

Re: Shill Bidding

rumplebear1951 — Mon, 03 Sep 2012 01:27:57 GMT

garvoc3265...is there any particular reason why you are yelling?

All it does is make your post harder to read.

Re: Shill Bidding

papermoon.lady — Mon, 03 Sep 2012 02:29:29 GMT

Ebay CAN prove shilling when they have access to IP addresses.

Are proxies allowed on eBay? I mean, can eBay block the use of proxies? Because otherwise dishonest people could use proxies to access their multiple accounts... X-(

Re: Shill Bidding

the3coopers — Mon, 03 Sep 2012 02:59:26 GMT

Are proxies allowed on eBay? I mean, can eBay block the use of proxies? Because otherwise dishonest people could use proxies to access their multiple accounts... X-(

IP address means nothing - many organisations have onely one IP address that services 10's or 100's or even 1000's of users. Ebay uses more than IP address checks to check that any accounts are linked.

People also forget that Shill Bidding need not be done with the same computer. Any half-smart shiller would just use their friend's computer, or a dialup account or a USB internet stick or the next door neighbour, or ...

Re: Shill Bidding

dylan11235813 — Mon, 03 Sep 2012 03:27:08 GMT

Are proxies allowed on eBay? I mean, can eBay block the use of proxies? Because otherwise dishonest people could use proxies to access their multiple accounts... X-(

A proxy server can be used to access ebay. They can decide to block the proxy IP address.

Re: Shill Bidding

koalablue12 — Mon, 03 Sep 2012 05:12:45 GMT

Waves to Kopes 🙂 and wonders what you have done to upset the neswest PITA on the boards 😉

Re: Shill Bidding

kopenhagen5 — Mon, 03 Sep 2012 08:32:04 GMT

I think it's because I wrote ebay CAN get proof of shilling as coops said they use many ways that most aren't aware of, which is contrary to the other posters comment. ?:|

C'est la vie.

Good to see you started the month with numerous sales koala. 🙂

Re: Shill Bidding

phorum_junkie* — Mon, 03 Sep 2012 09:46:54 GMT

Colour me strange but I would never know if I had been shilled or not.

I put in a max bid or set a snipe at a price I think is reasonable for what I am wanting to buy and then I either get it for that or I don't.

I never bother to go looking at the bidding history.

Re: Shill Bidding

stac-lync — Wed, 13 May 2015 00:18:49 GMT

It depends on how much eBay make off them in fees. If they are a huge seller eBay will pretend they dont know what youre talking about. They work sort of like a bank where you are treated according to your wealth. I have come across that many shill bidders i could make a living policing them, but reporting them does nothing as eBay dont even understand there own policies and how theyve worded them. Even in my own investigations how does someone have 71% with a buyer as a bidder but never brought anything?

Re: Shill Bidding

go-tazz — Wed, 13 May 2015 03:34:03 GMT

Talking about old thread,(over 2 years and 8 months old and it's back again),

Mind you,nothing much has changed in regards to shill bidding,

Re: Shill Bidding

imastawka — Fri, 10 Jul 2015 03:37:31 GMT

Ya want sarcasm - ok -

Quick repartee. Not. It took you a month to get back here

And did you read the bit where tazz said:

Mind you,nothing much has changed in regards to shill bidding,

Isn't that commenting?

Re: Shill Bidding

padi*0409 — Fri, 10 Jul 2015 05:14:23 GMT

@imastawka wrote:
Ya want sarcasm - ok -

Quick repartee. Not. It took you a month to get back here

And did you read the bit where tazz said:

Mind you,nothing much has changed in regards to shill bidding,

Isn't that commenting?

Oh dear, yet another one Stalks - is it a full moon or something?

Re: Shill Bidding

imastawka — Fri, 10 Jul 2015 05:27:25 GMT

Nah, full moon was earlier in the month.

But July is gunna have a Blue moon

(that's 2 full moons in the same month - so beware)

Re: Shill Bidding

kopenhagen5 — Fri, 10 Jul 2015 07:28:29 GMT

Don't worry tazz, you are not the only one.

And appears the member may not admit being wrong.

Too far gone to get my help IMO.

Re: Shill Bidding

imastawka — Fri, 10 Jul 2015 07:55:57 GMT

Heeeeey, wayda minnit ....................

Re: Shill Bidding

imastawka — Fri, 10 Jul 2015 08:05:00 GMT

Sorry, tazz, now it looks like I was sarcastic to you