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global shipping program is MAD!

cokeking1907 — Mon, 17 Mar 2014 23:53:52 GMT

I can't be the only one who feels like the global shipping program is wildly expensive. Shipping from the states has always been expensive but it's starting to get ridiculous. If the seller doesn't enter the exact size abd weight small overages result in massive increases in cost. More than one I've ordered identical small items, done costing $25 more than the other for no explicable reason.

A small camera lens adapter in a container the size of 4 matchboxes and around 100grams cost me $45usd. It was shipped by the GSP through Fedex and the cheek of these people...after about a week last Monday morning the tracking said it was at adelaide airport but the estimated delivery date was Friday 6pm. Assuming the Friday delivery was a glitch I rang up to ask if I cloud pick it up since I would be nearby anyway. They were helpful and said I could. As I was leaving I asked about the Friday delivery, the guy behind the desk said that yes even though it was here and ready they were going to hold it for 4 days before delivery because it was a budget service!

In addition to all that when you search for things, particularly from the US you get the current item price plus the shipping price underneath only to find when you go into the items actual page that the estimated price is actually much much more.

I wish they would kill this GSP or at least make it easier for US sellers to also offer regular first class and priority shipping because it's starting to get crazy.

I'd be curious to hear all of your stories, I'm surei can't be the only one.

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lyndal1838 — Mon, 17 Mar 2014 23:59:52 GMT

Read the boards and you will find many threads about the GSP which will leave you in no doubt what Australians think about it.

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chezzy — Tue, 18 Mar 2014 00:09:44 GMT

My story is simple. If I see a listing with the (dreaded) Global Shipping Program/Pitney Bowes mention I move on and look elsewhere. However sometimes I don't have the 'luxury' of other choices in which case I might message the seller and ask them if they are willing to ship direct (USPS/Post Office/First Class International etc). Fortunately some sellers are willing to do this, in fact some are not even aware what is showing our end re shipping cost or had trouble changing it etc etc etc. In fact one seller recently said they didn't even normally ship overseas so I simply took a screen shot of what I was seeing on their listing and sent it through to them.

If a listing shows an expensive GSP/PB price I tend to just message the seller. I will not ever just bid/buy without quizzing them.

Particularly as it can be so expensive for small/light/low value items going the GSP/PB route!

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chezzy — Tue, 18 Mar 2014 00:11:01 GMT

sorry, lyndal1838, that reply was meant for the original poster

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cokeking1907 — Tue, 18 Mar 2014 00:15:34 GMT

I ran out of time to edit my message but I thought this would be a prefect example.

I bought this small half frame camera the other day, the whole lot would probably fit in half a shoebox abd weighs around 250 grams. It cost $57 USD to ship and it's only going through regular USPS priority shipping anyway but because it's the global shipping program it costs almost double what it would have cost the seller to put in the mail himself. Why this is I can't say abd I would be curious to know but the sellers aren't really able to help because they can't see the prices for the GSP, they simply post it domestically to the do shipping address and so they can't really do anything about negotiating the size/weight or shipping method. It's all generated automatically by eBay.

It's probably basically an OK idea but it needs a lot of five tuning, for one thing I think sellers need to see how much buyers are being charged and what effect the estimation of the size and weight of items has on the cost. I think it might help if they knew that listing a 600 gram item as 1kg because that's the size of domestic prepaid parcel it would go in could double the shipping price for us overseas. This seems to be the most common problem, that they aren't really weighing or measuring items, just estimating (and overestimating for safety) because it doesn't have much effect on the domestic shipping cost and they can't see the effect on international shipping if they use the GSP.

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cokeking1907 — Tue, 18 Mar 2014 00:30:03 GMT

Yes I have to say your right about done helpful sellers willing to do some work abd ship outside the program. I can see how it wound make sense for small expensive collectables maybe but it's clearly a big money maker for someone as I have yet to find a single thing I've bought that used it that was within 30% of the correct already expensive USPS priority international postage price.

If nothing else I wish they would leave a note when sellers are selecting this option for their listing that correct size advd weight will have a big impact so they don't just guess at it. Or better yet a live updating quote for the cost of international shipping to the 3 most common international destinations as they input the size and weight.

If I'm selling something locally I often simply put in a size and weight that corresponds to the appropriate prepaid express post satchel (i.e not weighing and listing a camera @1kg because I know it's fine to go in a 1kg parcel). Internationally though I make sure to be accurate thigh because there is an obvious relationship between that and the cost. I believe they are doing the former because they arent being told what the cost difference is.

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chezzy — Tue, 18 Mar 2014 00:38:42 GMT

Not sure if it applies to you but for 'lower value' items it is probably worth asking the seller about First Class International with e-delcon (a type of electronic tracking/delivery/confirmation) which I am seeing more and more of with small parcels. Makes it so much more reasonable (although yes a bit more 'risky' I guess) than the huge GSP/PB/PRIORITY prices.

Sometimes I use the angle that (and I let the seller know this) that if the shipping price is cheaper then I can afford to bid more on the actual item (because I am looking at the overall cost and a specific budget)

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anotherpancake52 — Tue, 18 Mar 2014 02:33:53 GMT

I agree to contacting the seller regarding posting items themselves rather than GSP.

As ebayers in USA pay their ebay fees on Item + Postage anyway it really won't make much difference to them whether they make the postage cheaper and you bid more on the item.

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afantiques — Tue, 18 Mar 2014 10:08:20 GMT

it's only going through regular USPS priority shipping anyway but because it's the global shipping program it costs almost double what it would have cost the seller to put in the mail himself.

Items are sent by airfreight, not USPS. The name International Proirity Shipping is misleadingly similar to Priority Mail International but there is really no connection.

As ebayers in USA pay their ebay fees on Item + Postage anyway it really won't make much difference to them whether they make the postage cheaper and you bid more on the item.

US ebayers pay fees on their lowest domestic shipping cost. I can't see how it follows that they don't care if they wind up with more money in their pocket.

It is certainly absurd what items some sellers offer with GSP, and how ignorant they are about it, but this is a consequence of the lamentable way sellers were opted in by stealth, and the near total lack of education about how to use the GSP effectively. It is pretty much like recruiting airline pilots by picking anyone over 5 foot high and letting them get on with it.

For Australian buyers, heavy items (over 2 kilos) become progressivly better shipping value the heavier they get. Anything under 2 kilos will always be a bad shipping buy, since a competent seller would be sending these by basic FCMI airmail.

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jonathd1 — Sun, 17 Jun 2018 23:12:20 GMT

I agree. there are alternative sites to ebay that are even bigger. For books for example i use Abe which is fantastic. i can ship from the UK to Australia for $5 when a similar item by the GSP would cost $50.
sadly ebay must be making a huge profit on shipping but it will be costing business too. i still use ebay but less every day... please Ebay- stop the price gouging on shipping.

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4channel — Mon, 18 Jun 2018 00:05:52 GMT

Hi cokeking1907 , Sorry to hear of your issue. Not fair! OK, the short of it is, is that it is a scam!. It's an arrogantly, rudely inserted middle man that has blown the cost of postage out 4 fold in many cases. It's about as welcome as a rusty nail that has just gone through your foot.

The 2 threads below describe some of my bad experience with this.

My latest experience with the horrid Global Shipping which was hiding under a stone (so to speak)

https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Buying/My-latest-experience-with-the-horrid-Global-Shipping-which-was/m-p/2080688#M81788

Global Shipping, the problems are never ending, everyone loses in the long run.

https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Buying/Global-Shipping-the-problems-are-never-ending-everyone-loses-in/td-p/2127850

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k1ooo-slr-sales — Mon, 18 Jun 2018 01:10:22 GMT

@4channel

cokeking . . . . . . . started this thread 4 years ago . . . . . hasn't logged onto the boards for 3 years.

shoulda gone to SpecSavers

or read more carefully

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4channel — Mon, 18 Jun 2018 02:26:45 GMT

@jonathd1 wrote:
I agree. there are alternative sites to ebay that are even bigger. For books for example i use Abe which is fantastic. i can ship from the UK to Australia for $5 when a similar item by the GSP would cost $50.
sadly ebay must be making a huge profit on shipping but it will be costing business too. i still use ebay but less every day... please Ebay- stop the price gouging on shipping.

Hi jonathd1 , thanks for letting us know your thoughts. Yes exactly! It'a just obscene that people get stung for a $50 when post should be around $5. Mafia style protection racket rates are more easy than GSP when you look at the ratio.

I purchase off Abe Books too but eBay is more convinient. It's just the GSP that is ruining things for many of us.

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padi*0409 — Mon, 18 Jun 2018 02:32:09 GMT

@jonathd1 wrote:
i can ship from the UK to Australia for $5 when a similar item by the GSP would cost $50.

What 4channel has failed to mention is the fact that if you contact the seller and get them to input the dimensions and weight of the book the postage will drop to a level compatable with USPS.

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4channel — Mon, 18 Jun 2018 04:15:14 GMT

@padi*0409 wrote:
@jonathd1 wrote:
i can ship from the UK to Australia for $5 when a similar item by the GSP would cost $50.

What 4channel has failed to mention is the fact that if you contact the seller and get them to input the dimensions and weight of the book the postage will drop to a level compatable with USPS.

Hi padi*0409 , but on small items it's still much more expensive than USPS, often 4 times the USPS or GBP postage. And if a buyer bids on and wins items from a seller, they pay 3 times more than a single item. So someone s laughing their way, all the way to the bank at our expense. And they .. ... .. could .. .. .. not .. .... .. . give .. .. .. one .. .. stuff .. .. .. about .. ... . us!!!!

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go-tazz — Mon, 18 Jun 2018 05:22:46 GMT

I found a very simple solution,(I stopped buying from anyone that uses the GSP),

It was so good of eBay to state: Customs services and international tracking provided for any listing that's

posted via the GSP,(so easy to just scroll past similar to the listings that state a low and a high price),

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broke158 — Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:58:34 GMT

I hanen't sold any thing on ebay for nearly 3 years, I used to sell things that I din't want and buy collectibles (oil-petrol) items from the U.S. and England, postage/shipping price was got, I just can not believe the ripoff on postage these days, I just bout one item from the U.S and it will be last one, never again, I even stopped looking at the U.S. site because of the postage/shipping.

Why do I have to GST (VAT) twice, ebay charge me GST on anything I receive, postage-handling-item, they I take the parcel to the post office and again I am charged GST, so I am paying more then 20% GST on postage when in Australia the GST is only 10%, isn't there anyone out there that can do something about this highway rrrr, maybe we should have enough guts to stop using ebay all over the world , even if it's done for a week no listing no buying, we keep paying they keep charging,no worries,

Looks like the sooner I get rid of my junk the better.

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lyndal1838 — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 05:21:30 GMT

The GST is 10%.

If you have paid the 10% GST on an item being imported, why do you have to take it to the post office and pay again?

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cezm — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 10:12:49 GMT

I wonder if they are buying to resell and therefore GST on postage when they purchase and GST on postage to the buyer once they sell it ..

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lyndal1838 — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 11:10:29 GMT

That is quite possible but we will never know unless the member comes back and enlightens us.