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My Friend Claims all fake

onestopinnovationshop — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:17:05 GMT

Hi Ebay Buyers, Just wondering if anyone else has purchased several so called genuine Rings and have found them to be all fake? My Friend is a gemologist and claims that all of the genuine gemstone rings i have actually purchased through buy it now, are indeed all fake?

I would love to hear from others experiences, Thank you regards from Mari

Re: My Friend Claims all fake

kopenhagen5 — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:25:15 GMT

Can't add to same experiences.

But I will say, you get what you pay for. If a gem is normally $200 and you find it here for $10, 😉 Now you know.

It amazes me the amount of people that think the items are real for that price. So don't worry zen, you're certainly not the only one.

If it's too good to be true, it probably is. 🙂

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jerryman12a — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:27:35 GMT

Are you serious? For the prices you paid exactly what did you expect to receive ?

Of course they are going to be fake , your buying crystal ( doubt it though) , glass and perhaps a few might be natural stone .

My experiences ? You learn from mistakes . But for many years I have successfully purchased genuine jewellery from Thailand .

Do your homework before buying .

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jerryman12a — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:33:24 GMT

Do some research on precious and semi precious gemstones ( there's lots of great links when you Google)

That's the best way to learn to recognize genuine gems stones. Then Google prices . But you will never get the real thing by buying in the way you have on ebay .

Still enjoy the ones you have won , some are nice costume items.

Just be warned though that even if a seller states that an items is Hallmarked ( Stamped) that is no guarantee it is Gold/Silver etc .

There's tons of gold filled stuff around that carries Hallmarks but is not genuine.

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wildwood5012 — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:32:40 GMT

I buy a lot of jewellery from Ebay. And your friend is right to a certain extent.

Also of course if the price is not does not match the item be careful.

I can only tell people if your going to buy jewellery on Ebay you would have to have rocks in your head not to have the testing instruments first. (knowing how to use them helps too)

Even paying a decent price can still net you 14ct genuine solid gold being plated copper and that genuine earth mined diamond still end up glass.

Anything I buy is tested straight away on arrival all documentation is kept till tested and passed.

Also use the " Ask seller a question" option that is what it is there for. If a seller lies in that as well as their description you have a good case for Paypal.

But also remember you cant complain if maybe you wanted white gold and it is yellow if you did not read description properly.

Also headline of description can say IE: Sterling 925. Further down in small print is the word "Plated" you missed it.

Cant complain to Paypal then say you were not helped.

Find the good dealers and keep using them they are there, you will be happy with your purchases

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putney32 — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:37:56 GMT

Find the good dealers and keep using them they are there, you will be happy with your purchases

good advice, and when you find the good dealers, you'll see you need to pay more than $1.09 to buy a piece of jewellery. for amounts under $5 (most of your purchases), I would not expect much more than plastic 'jewellery'

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phorum_junkie* — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:56:16 GMT

I have bought a few rings on ebay and no denying they were genuine rings, definitely round with a hole in the middle :^O.

I never expected the materials used to make the ring to be real precious metal or stones for the price I was paying.

Re: My Friend Claims all fake

phase3ho — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 04:48:30 GMT

Hi,

I purchased 2 rings and yes they are fake. I'm one of the lucky ones though because some ebayers were bidding astronomical amounts for the privilege of receiving crap.

I did put in a claim to PayPal for both items but they requested that I return them to the seller in CHINA!! The listing stated that they were being sent from QLD, so why would I pay $40.00 return post. I asked all the right questions of the sellers before purchase and still have the emails but that accounts for nothing.

Ebay sent me an email 2 days after the first transaction was completed. They stressed that I shouldn't pay for the item and if I had to make a claim with PayPal. Pity it arrived 2 days too late. They also shut the seller down. No such warning for the 2nd item from a different seller.

I'm extremely disappointed with PayPal and the fact that I had to drop the claims. I'm a pensioner and can't afford to lose the money but that doesn't concern PayPal at all. Their "Buyer Protection Policy" is absolutely useless and YES I should have known better than to spend my money on something that I knew deep down would be fake.

All that aside, we are encouraged to use PayPal as buyers so we can take advantage of the so called protection policy, but when you need to fall back on it, it's not there. I would have been better off paying by credit card and claiming through the bank. At least I know that I would have got my money back.

I was sent this website: www.econsumer.gov/english

You can file a complaint there and I have done just that. The more people that use this international site the faster these sellers will be shut down. Every little bit helps right?

Thanks

Kerrie

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phorum_junkie* — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 05:10:38 GMT

There is a way to get Paypal to agree to a refund without return for fakes and it certainly wouldn't cost anything like forty bucks to return a couple of rings by trackable post to China either.

I am a pensioner too but that is no excuse for making poor decisions and throwing your money away without first researching how I can get it back if it goes pear shaped.

For any under 10 dollar items I open the disputes and drag them out for as long as possible but eventually let them time out and just leave the negs rather than return.

If I am going to get more than 50c more than the cost of return then I will send them back.

Of course if you always fund your payments with a credit card you can be really mean and do a bank chargeback which, if they try to fight it, will cost them the refund plus $15!

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sprinklespowerpuff — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 05:18:36 GMT

I have bought vintage and antique English jewellery and it is exceptional IMO. All pieces are hallmarked and stamped with various marks - maker's mark, town/city where it was made etc, etc, could go on forever. All have to have a certain high level of pure gold or silver as fine jewellery has to go through an assay office. British standards are very high. No junk stuff gets passed.

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phase3ho — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 06:30:28 GMT

You shouldn't make comments on something you know nothing about. I live in a remote area and the postage cost reflects the amount of fuel for the 4 hour return trip on a dirt road just to mail them. Then I could factor in the wear and tear on the vehicle as well. Not to mention the fact that I would I have to beg someone to do it for me as I am disabled. And, just in case you were wondering, those same wonderful people I would ask to post them for me actually deliver supplies to me on a monthly basis. Given that fact alone, there's no way it could have been done in the time frame Paypal gave me anyway.

Not everyone lives in a city or town!

As for the research, before I purchased the items I received reply emails from the sellers stating that they stand by the listings that all are "solid " gold and "genuine" diamonds. So, Iike so many others I tried my luck on receiving a genuine article as described.

Before you think this was a gullible choice, I remember years ago when I lived in Sydney, a friend of mine found a near new Mercedes listed for an extremely low price. After emailing the seller, thinking it was a typo, he discovered that the woman's hubby was having an affair and she thought it was a good idea to sell his beloved car. It wasn't for the money obviously but the payback value. Bottom line was my friend got a near new Merc for next to nothing. People do luck out occasionally and there are genuine sellers out there.

Unfortunately for me, Paypal was uninterested in my correspondence with the sellers, the email from Ebay, and the item location stated as Australia not China where they were sent from. If the listing had been China I wouldn't have made the purchase. The email address was for a woman living in QLD. This scam had been well thought out and actioned.

What sort of message are we giving these sellers if they have the fake jewellery returned to re-sell again to another unsuspecting buyer? Paypal has been inundated with claims for these fakes and they should authorise the refunds, have the items turned over to them, and file a complaint with the AFP Internet Fraud Division. Given the vast amount of items it would be safe to assume that something may actually be done about it.

The way it's all going down at the moment, nothing will be done to stop these sellers and Paypal is alienating the people who keep them in business.

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rabbitearbandicoot — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 07:21:00 GMT

Hi phase3ho,

as I read your OP I could have told you the names of the sellers. They are part of a gang who have been selling this rubbish for 2 years or more. They manipulate the feedback of their sellers - Just like another gang who sell FAKE gold chains.

Please mail me if you would like more info and who to be on the lookout for.

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rabbitearbandicoot — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 07:25:28 GMT

Hi phase3ho,

as I read your OP I could have told you the names of the sellers. They are part of a gang who have been selling this rubbish for 2 years or more. They manipulate the feedback of their sellers - Just like another gang who sell FAKE gold chains.

Please mail me if you would like more info and who to be on the lookout for.

Sorry, I meant that for zensanity2012 but if anyone wants the info just mail me.

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davewil1964 — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 07:32:32 GMT

Anyone that is disabled and lives 4 hours aways from a post office shouldnt sell stuff on here

Such compassion.

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phase3ho — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 07:54:17 GMT

That's a very discriminating remark georgiajake2010, and you should be ashamed of yourself!! Being disabled doesn't make a person inadequate as a human being. It's none of your business if I sell items or not on Ebay. I will be reporting you for that comment. It might shock you to know that I now have a brilliant case for defamation.You'll be hearing from my lawyer shortly!!

Thanks

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phorum_junkie* — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 08:14:08 GMT

I live in a remote area and the postage cost reflects the amount of fuel for the 4 hour return trip on a dirt road just to mail them.

Unfortunately that is against ebay policy, you are allowed to add a reasonable amount to cover the time it takes to prepare the item for posting, you are not allowed to add the cost of actually posting it, that should be added into the item price.

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phase3ho — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 08:25:44 GMT

phorum_junkie*

Hmm......I have no idea what that last comment is about. I'm not charging anyone $40.00 postage and I'm certainly not breaking any rules. I'm simply stating the true cost for me to return the items to China (as asked by Paypal) in order to receive my refund for the fake items. This would be more than the total amount required to be refunded. In other words it's not worth it.

Read the post again.

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i-once-was-bump — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 05:40:55 GMT

I'm a pensioner and can't afford to lose the money but that doesn't concern PayPal at all

Why should Paypal be concerned with the way you earn your money?

There would be a lot of employed people up in arms if Paypal started playing favourites with pensioners.

ebay is not the place to try the "i'm a pensioner" nonsense, it might work with a few tradesmen but on the internet it falls flat and most are unimpressed by the "woe is me" attitude of any posters.

I am glad that (even though you are doing it so tough and only get supplies once a month and are so far from a town or city that) you are able to avail yourself of a lawyer and be able to afford a civil case.

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boomct — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 05:59:38 GMT

phase3ho, apologies for all the negativity. It seems to be a habit on these boards unfortunately,

and this will shortly be proven by more replies criticising me for saying so. Although I do hope

to be proven wrong.

Re: My Friend Claims all fake

chiselman07 — Tue, 05 Feb 2013 07:14:34 GMT

I once bought a Diamond ring on for $40 and got it valued. to my surprise it was worth $500 .