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Am I being scammed $2000 ?

le-jac1 — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 00:38:21 GMT

I bought a Macbook Pro last night around 11:30 pm. The seller told me he had sold it in the physical store 20 seconds after I paid for it. It was midnight. I asked him if he could get a picture before I paid, he said he would like to but it was already to late, that he would do it the next morning.

I called ebay, ebay says it's a paypal problem; I called paypal, paypal says it's a ebay problem.

Here is what happened:

Your previous message
Hi mate, I'd like to buy your macbook. When do you think you can ship?

ji_jile_gklkiwy:

Hello, As soon as I have received the payment. Thanks

Your previous message

Thanks, mate. Do you mind sending me a picture of the back of the box with all the specs on it? I'll pay once I make sure it's the model I want. Thanks a lot.

ji_jile_gklkiwy:

I don't mind but its already late here. I will once I open my shop early in the morning, if it will still be available for sale

Then I paid for the item.

The seller immediately marked the order as "shipped" but with no tracking information.

ji_jile_gklkiwy:

Hey mate. Sorry to tell you that the item has already been bought in our physical store. Kindly dispute the transaction because I can't refund from my side. I am so sorry but we will be restocking in one weeks time. You can check back in a weeks time.Sorry

A dispute will ensure you get all your cash back in your paypal.Thanks

login to your paypal the the transaction you made to me click it you will see details .click it you will see dispute this transaction.

say item not received

To do so:

Log in to your PayPal account. Go to the Resolution Center.Select the dispute you want to escalate, then click Escalate.Follow the instructions.Click Escalate to a claim.

Your previous message

Then why did you just ship the item?

ji_jile_gklkiwy:

did I ship it?? Sorry

Your previous message

I know you can refund, just do it. I don't want any trouble.

ji_jile_gklkiwy:

which trouble now. Just say you din't receive the item...Paypal will just escalate the case and have your money back in full. It is held on my side .

Do you want me to mark the item as not shipped or what

Jist remarked it as not shipped.Ain't here to scam you or something just that the item has already been sold

The seller didn't mark the item as not shipped.

I went to bed.

I call ebay this morning, ebay says the seller is right, I should do what the seller told me to.

Then ebay gives me the number of paypal, tells me that paypal has a better solution.

I call paypal, paypal tells me my money is protected. That they can't do anything since they can't prove the seller is a scam.

What's the seller up to?

Clearly there is no Macbook and no physical store. There is no shipment. The seller won't get the money.

Why the hell is he doing this?

Re: Am I being scammed $2000 ?

springyzone — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 00:51:51 GMT

The seller definitely sounds a bit dodgy or at the very least, lazy. He marked your item as shipped when it obviously was not.

You will be able to get your money back if you paid by paypal so don't panic.

You may not be able to get the refund immediately though. As in today.

What will happen is you will need to wait till the estimated shipping arrival date is overdue & then you can open a dispute about item not received.

Because there will be no proof of delivery, you will win your case and be refunded.

It is just that you may have to wait several days for it all to be resolved.

Don't get caught up in anything this seller might say-such as he is getting another one and will ship in a week or two or three.

Don't let him fob you off.

He could very well have cancelled this transaction easily & he knows it. If he won't do that, you just go ahead with your item not received claim as soon as you can.

Re: Am I being scammed $2000 ?

kopenhagen5 — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 01:14:14 GMT

Kindly dispute the transaction because I can't refund from my side.

Load of bologne.

He can just log into PayPal and hit the refund button next to the trans.

Post the item number here so we can see if it's possibly a hijacked account.

Re: Am I being scammed $2000 ?

le-jac1 — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 01:29:24 GMT

Thank you for the reply. I did pay by paypal. I'll wait and open a dispute.

Re: Am I being scammed $2000 ?

sacramentalstoles — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 02:30:34 GMT

As a new seller his paypal funds are probably 'on hold' for 21 days...
so he may not be able to refund via Paypal.

Re: Am I being scammed $2000 ?

imastawka — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 02:53:00 GMT

# 292093193268

Was it an auction with a BIN price? Maybe he thought the BIN price was a reserve.

At any rate, I think he found out that these sell for anywhere between $2800-$3400

and he wants to re-list it at some stage.

Open the dispute and get your money back.

Re: Am I being scammed $2000 ?

kopenhagen5 — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 03:08:53 GMT

@sacramentalstoles wrote:
As a new seller his paypal funds are probably 'on hold' for 21 days...
so he may not be able to refund via Paypal.

Well I thought about that and seem to remember that a refund has in the past been made rather than waiting the 21 days.

OP I would get on the phone to PayPal and explain, you may instantly get a refund once they see what has transpired.

Re: Am I being scammed $2000 ?

collect247 — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 04:34:26 GMT

Incorrect as a refund can be done instantly even when the funds are on hold

Re: Am I being scammed $2000 ?

lyndal1838 — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 04:48:36 GMT

@springyzone wrote:

What will happen is you will need to wait till the estimated shipping arrival date is overdue & then you can open a dispute about item not received.
Because there will be no proof of delivery, you will win your case and be refunded.
It is just that you may have to wait several days for it all to be resolved.
.

There is no need to wait till the item is overdue............you can open a paypal dispute within seconds of paying for your item.

The waiting period only applies to an ebay dispute.

Re: Am I being scammed $2000 ?

chameleon54 — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 06:59:00 GMT

One red flag, I see waving is, if the guy is a scammer, he could send an old, non working, used item or an empty box or an old shoe with tracking. The tracking will show as the item delivered. The case will be closed in the sellers favour. Once you open a dispute for item not received I don't think you can open a second dispute for item not as described................................... Let the games begin. .... be very careful.......

Re: Am I being scammed $2000 ?

brerrabbit585 — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 08:19:09 GMT

I'm quite sure if he just cancels the ebay transaction your money will automatically be refunded - no need to even go into his paypal account.

I'd like to know why you bought something when you weren't even sure it was the right one, let alone pay for it before you knew. That's just making work for the seller if it wasn't what you wanted and they had to cancel it.

Re: Am I being scammed $2000 ?

k1ooo-slr-sales — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 08:57:30 GMT

was the seller's first name Ricky by any chance?

Re: Am I being scammed $2000 ?

audistarelectronics — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 09:15:42 GMT

If it as easy as you describe to get ripped off on Ebay, there is no way I would be parting with that sort of money in the first place regardless of the sellers reputation/feedback.

Re: Am I being scammed $2000 ?

phorum_junkie* — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 10:42:25 GMT

There is no need for anything complicated.

Just log into Paypal, find the transaction and open a dispute for item not received. You may or may not be able to escalate to a claim straight away, if you can do so. If you can't wait however long you have to (I would try again every few hours) and then sit back and wait for your refund.

Don't get involved in any further communication with the seller or start calling Paypal unless for some very obscure reason they deny your claim. In the unlikely event that happens come back here.

Once you have your refund leave the seller an appropriate neg.

I think you have probably dodged a bullet and should have asked for that photo before you purchased, heaven alone knows what you have received if the seller hadn't realised that you were not going to easily accept sommething that was not all it was made out to be.

Re: Am I being scammed $2000 ?

le-jac1 — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 12:46:06 GMT

Thank you for the reply.

Some background:

The item number is 292093193268

It was a new listing and very good price. I thought I was lucky but in fact I was being stupid.

I knew that all the 15 inch Macbook Pros have a graphic cards: 450 or 455. I paid anyway because either one was a steal for $1900.

I was certain the seller was a scammer when the seller shipped immediately after payment and told me he sold the item in the physical store ( at 12:00 midnight).

I was confident that I could get the money back by dispute on ebay in two weeks.

One thing I didn't know was what's the game here. What's in for the scammer.

Then I read this reply and it all make sense. I think this is the plan: By luring and guiding me to file a dispute on paypal (instead of dispute on ebay or give me the refund immediately for that matter), he could send an empty box to my address without providing the tracking information and leaving me in the dark. Then he could make me a scammer easily and ebay/paypal might favor the seller.

The sad thing is, I had this concern in mind and told ebay and paypal my concern but the way they handle this situation is disappointing.

I made two 15 min calls to ebay and one 10 min call to paypal.

They know my situation and they have to "follow the rules".

Anyway, here is where I am now:

I opened a dispute on paypal this morning. The seller has no response yet. I figure the seller is waiting for me to escalate the dispute, which I won't. I'll wait for the "shippment" and open a dispute on ebay.

Funny thing is that when I inquired the seller's contact information, I recieved a name Jill **** and a phone number.

I dailed and said "May I speak to Jill please?"

A lady says, "This is her."

I said, "I bought a laptop from you yesterday." and before I could say anything more, the lady says "No, you did not buy a laptop from me, somebody scammed you, not me. Thank you." Then she hang up. I could hear that she was very upset and very emotional. But I didn't say anythign about scamming. I think she gets calls like this a lot recently.

I then googled the seller's "name" and it was a Mental Health & Counselling in Sydney. The seller must have left a fake name and number on ebay.

Thank you all for the kindly reply. It's very helpful.

Re: Am I being scammed $2000 ?

le-jac1 — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 12:51:28 GMT

Thank you for the reply.

Some background:

The item number is 292093193268

It was a new listing and very good price. I thought I was lucky but in fact I was being stupid.

I knew that all the 15 inch Macbook Pros have a graphic cards. 450 or 455. I paid anyway because either one was a steal for $1900.

I was certain the seller was a scammer when the seller shipped immediately after payment and told me he sold the item in the physical store ( at 12:00 midnight).

I was confident that I could get the money back by dispute on ebay in two weeks.

One thing I didn't know was what's the game here. What's in for the scammer.

The sad thing is, I had this concern in mind and told ebay and paypal my concern but the way they handle this situation is disappointing.

I made two 15 min calls to ebay and one 10 min call to paypal.

They know my situation and they have to "follow the rules".

Anyway, here is where I am now:

Funny thing is that when I inquired the seller's contact information, I recieved a name Jill **** and a phone number.

I dailed and said "May I speak to Jill please?"

A lady says, "This is her."

I then googled the seller's "name" and it was a Mental Health & Counselling in Sydney. The seller must have left a fake name and number on ebay.

Thank you all for the kindly reply. It's very helpful.

Re: Am I being scammed $2000 ?

le-jac1 — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 12:54:45 GMT

Thank you for the reply.

Some background:

The item number is 292093193268

It was a new listing and very good price. I thought I was lucky but in fact I was being stupid.

I knew that all the 15 inch Macbook Pros have a graphic cards. 450 or 455. I paid anyway because either one was a steal for $1900.

I was certain the seller was a scammer when the seller shipped immediately after payment and told me he sold the item in the physical store ( at 12:00 midnight).

I was confident that I could get the money back by dispute on ebay in two weeks.

One thing I didn't know was what's the game here. What's in for the scammer.

Anyway, here is where I am now:

Funny thing is that when I inquired the seller's contact information, I recieved a name J **** and a phone number.

I dailed and said "May I speak to J please?"

A lady says, "This is her."

I then googled the seller's "name" and it was a Mental Health & Counselling in Sydney. The seller must have left a fake name and number on ebay.

Thank you all for the kindly reply. It's very helpful.

Re: Am I being scammed $2000 ?

springyzone — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 13:08:21 GMT

Other people may know more than I about the process as I have never had anything like this happen, but I think you might be best to escalate as soon as you are able to.

The seller will not send any empty box without tracking, there would be no point. Sellers have to have tracking to prove delivery.

After you get all your money back from paypal or ebay, go to a proper shop to buy your Macbook. Ebay isn't the best place to buy computers or expensive things like that. Not saying all sellers are scammers at all, but you have to be very careful with expensive items. If they seem suspiciously cheap, don't be tempted to buy.

Re: Am I being scammed $2000 ?

kopenhagen5 — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 13:24:45 GMT

If a case with eBay fails a case with PayPal can be opened but not the other way around.

eBay require proof delivery in a case, PayPal only need proof of postage.

Edit - padi ..........................

Re: Am I being scammed $2000 ?

padi*0409 — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 13:25:39 GMT

@le-jac1 wrote:

Anyway, here is where I am now:
I opened a dispute on paypal this morning. The seller has no response yet. I figure the seller is waiting for me to escalate the dispute, which I won't. I'll wait for the "shippment" and open a dispute on ebay.

If you open a Paypal dispute first you cannot go back to an eBay dispute through the MBG, from eBay to Paypal yes, but not the other way around.

Edit. Snap Kopes...................."all for one mate"