topic Re: Scammed in Buying

Scammed

kaleboisset0 — Sun, 17 Sep 2017 11:53:21 GMT

Hi guys and girls.

I recently made a purchase without doing research.

I paid via PayPal and have not received a receipt.
My bank statements say the withdrawal went through

and there are transactions of -$1 and -$149.99.
I've tried to contact the seller to confirm the order placed

and get a receipt.

But no luck.

The order was placed on the 13th.

This is the item I purchased.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2017-200CC-6-5HP-Go-Kart-Dune-Buggy-ATV-QUAD-4-Stroke-Upgraded-Adult-Kids/253146783451?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D47053%26meid%3D2fe72cfd1ca24f879e0b7cdb7b3b87d9%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D11%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D253146783451&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%253Aaaad6e03-9b9e-11e7-b7fc-74dbd18033d7%257Cparentrq%253A8faeac2415e0aa4759e54cd2fff8a65c%257Ciid%253A1

Re: Scammed

davewil1964 — Sun, 17 Sep 2017 12:05:20 GMT

Why did you pay the $1?

Was it being delivered or were you picking it up?

If you paid through Paypal and it came from your bank account, it can take up to a week to clear into the seller's account. If pickup, why didn't you just pay cash after inspecting the item? What does your Paypal account say?

The 13th was Wednesday, TWO working days ago, so I'm not sure what your panic is.

Re: Scammed

kaleboisset0 — Sun, 17 Sep 2017 12:34:13 GMT

I did not pay the $1.
It was taken out on its own.

it is being delivered from china, free delivery.
I live in Australia

Paypal has no history of this transaction taking place.

Re: Scammed

pacotrading — Sun, 17 Sep 2017 12:39:37 GMT

Bank account to Paypal takes around 5 working days to clear, so no invoice till payment clears, delivery will be longer than you may expect, coming from China via airmail, but overall still a bargain and a lot of fun for under a $150, i know as have built a few off road buggies and you cannot build one yourself for that price.

Re: Scammed

k1ooo-slr-sales — Sun, 17 Sep 2017 12:50:46 GMT

PayPal do a small debit when the account is set up to see that everything is okay with the PayPal account details given when the account is set up. If you set up the PayPal account recently then that would explain the $1 debit.

If you check your account regularly you will probably find that the $1 is credited back to your PayPal account within a few weeks.

Re: Scammed

*tippy*toes* — Sun, 17 Sep 2017 12:51:31 GMT

Did you buy from this account? If you did, that's what the $1 is for. PayPal take an amount from your account and you have to then tell them what the amount is to verify your bank account.

Go into your purchase history and locate the transaction. Is there a $ sign indicating it's been paid, or is there an egg timer? If it's the egg timer, you have paid from your bank account via PayPal and it's gone through as an eCheque. As Dave said, it can take a week to clear.

Looking at the item you bought and others like it, it looks to me like you have been scammed. It's cheap, it's got free postage, it's coming from China, immediate payment is required. A seller in South Australia is selling the same item, showing the same photo, for $795 + Postage.

Now, the issue you are going to have if it does turn out to be a scam, getting a refund. The item is listed in the cars, bikes, boats category, which doesn't have buyer protection. If you try to open a dispute, it might say you can't. Unfortunately, the estimated arrival date is saying 4-8 weeks away, and you can't open an eBay dispute until after the last estimate date. It's showing as Nov 16 for me, so would be a few days earlier for you.

You could try opening a PayPal dispute after you've waited a reasonable amount of time. However, once you've opened a PayPal dispute, if it fails, you can't then open an eBay dispute. PayPal will say they can't give you a refund because of the category. You'll probably need to ring them and explain that the seller is a scammer who has listed items in the automotive category. It might take a few calls to convince them that you've been scammed. Hopefully another member go-tazz will be along soon and see your message as he knows how to deal with these things.

FYI, this is the listing that the seller has stolen. He is even using the Aussie sellers photo. I can't send that seller a message from this account to say that someone has stolen his listings, but if anyone else wants to send him a message, he will probably want to know. The scammer has actually stolen quite a few of his listings.

For the future, if you find something that is way cheaper than everyone else, it's a scam. EBay is not the bargain basement it used to be. Be very wary of Chinese sellers selling expensive stuff really cheap.

Re: Scammed

*tippy*toes* — Sun, 17 Sep 2017 12:52:50 GMT

@pacotrading wrote:
Bank account to Paypal takes around 5 working days to clear, so no invoice till payment clears, delivery will be longer than you may expect, coming from China via airmail, but overall still a bargain and a lot of fun for under a $150, i know as have built a few off road buggies and you cannot build one yourself for that price.

It's a scam. He stole the listing (and many others) from a seller in South Australia.

Re: Scammed

padi*0409 — Sun, 17 Sep 2017 12:55:33 GMT

The $1.00 was probably to verify your email for the account was correct, if so that will be refunded.

But, did you read the feedback for that seller? A lot of negatives for "item not received"......................

On top of that you have no buyer protection in the vehicles category.

Read this link, the applicable paragraph is shown below.

https://www.paypal.com/au/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full#int_Schedule_1

Re: Scammed

go-tazz — Sun, 17 Sep 2017 12:56:21 GMT

@kaleboisset0 wrote:
I did not pay the $1.
It was taken out on its own.

it is being delivered from china, free delivery.
I live in Australia

Paypal has no history of this transaction taking place.

I've already reported the scammer via Help & Contact

That's because it's a scam listing,(a $750 plus Go kart for $150 isn't going to happen).

So you would've been directed via a link to a fake payment site to pay.

If you paid via a credit card you need to contact your bank as the scammer will have the account details.

You also need to contact eBay and report the account as a hijacked account.

This gives you their direct links without having to go through their rigmarole:

eg: Call us,Call me,Chat with us and Email us.

http://ocsnext.ebay.com.au/ocs/cusr?query=1485

Just keep in mind that Call us or Call me option are only available

during business hours,(8 am to 9 pm Mon to Fri and 8 am to

5 pm on Sat and Sun).

Re: Scammed

*tippy*toes* — Sun, 17 Sep 2017 13:07:17 GMT

Now the big question is, will the OP take notice, or will they still think they are going to get the item?

Re: Scammed

go-tazz — Sun, 17 Sep 2017 13:40:59 GMT

@*tippy*toes* wrote:
Now the big question is, will the OP take notice, or will they still think they are going to get the item?

Hopefully they'll come back to the post and contact eBay,Paypal and their bank.

Unfortunately there is another two scammers that have a few scam listing up,(they both have 5 bikes

"hidden" at the end of their listings,some of which are also suspect),

Unfortunately eBay have the search now set that only brings up 25 items when you use the links from the

suspect items,(so it makes it harder and to time consuming to search by category).

I found the other two by using the item description from one of this scammers listings.

Re: Scammed

pacotrading — Sun, 17 Sep 2017 21:20:56 GMT

Ah of course, yes thought it was way to good to be true.

Re: Scammed

letscleanupmycupboards — Sun, 17 Sep 2017 21:25:28 GMT

Does a go kart count as a vehicle (wasn't specifically listed there padi) or as a toy for the purposes of buyer protection? Or is that the reason the scammers use that sort of item as there's no recourse?

Re: Scammed

padi*0409 — Sun, 17 Sep 2017 22:25:02 GMT

It's in the "cars, bikes, boats" category cuboards, so it could be an uphill fight for the OP to get their money back through Paypal, eBay's MBG might not be so much of a problem though.

Re: Scammed

kaleboisset0 — Mon, 18 Sep 2017 00:10:30 GMT

thankyou tazz.
I shall be in contact.

Re: Scammed

janeababe — Mon, 18 Sep 2017 10:25:47 GMT

Well, I was bored, so I've reported the fake listing in China, (it will fall on deaf ebay ears though I betcha!)

And, I've contacted the bloke in South Aussie about this.
Also added a link to this discussion.
See how we go.

xxj

Re: Scammed

brerrabbit585 — Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:30:51 GMT

If your payment was funded by a normal bank account and not a credit card, if you empty that account the payment "might" fail and save you some hassle. I know if people have paid by echeque (funded from a normal account) they often fail because there aren't enough funds in the account. Whatever account it came from you should ring your bank ASAP.

Re: Scammed

*tippy*toes* — Wed, 20 Sep 2017 00:35:51 GMT

Emptying the bank account is not a bad idea if it's spawned an eCheque. It could save a lot of dramas if it fails to go through. I'm not sure the reason for calling the bank though. The seller doesn't get your bank account details when you pay that way. It's still just a PayPal payment.

Re: Scammed

go-tazz — Wed, 20 Sep 2017 01:00:50 GMT

None of the scam listings have been removed,(so that's more members getting ripped off).

Might have to wait once again for the negs to start hitting before they remove them,

I just don't get how a big company like eBay employs a Trust & Safety department that seems to have no idea

on what a scam listing is or how to shut them down quickly,

They used to be shut down within hours when T & S was in Canada,but now most times it takes for negs to

hit and the scammers being reported for those negs before scammers are removed,(which often takes up

to a month from when their first scam items "sold"),

Which off course means that they possible conned thousands of dollars out of more gullible members,

Re: Scammed

padi*0409 — Wed, 20 Sep 2017 01:04:05 GMT

.....................not forgetting eBay put the mockers on the Highjack Hunters Taz.....................