topic Re: Seller Fraud in Buying

Seller Fraud

30kittykins30 — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 00:15:09 GMT

I purchased autographs from an ebay seller selling fake autographs. He has been suspended from ebay for selling fake autographs. I filed disputes to get refunds for the items I purchased from him. He swears they are real however they failed third party authentication. He obtained my email address from the paypal transaction page and has been sending me abusive emails, calling me names, demanding I return the items (I can't return them until paypal tells me to and why should I have to pay for return postage when items are fake), making threats (says he is going to come to my country and get the photos back), and using highly offensive language. I think he is simply trying to intimidate me trying to get me to close the disputes so he can keep my money. He has sent multiple emails (I have replied to none of them). I have reported him to paypal and ebay but they can do nothing. Items have to be returned at my expense otherwise I don’t get a refund. This seller then gets his fakes back at my expense and is then free scam others either by selling them privately or on another shopping website or he can probably sign up for a new ebay account. I am so frustrated. I have really lost my faith in both paypal and ebay. I am also rambling my question is this why do I have to pay the return postage when even ebay admits the items I purchased are fake?

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extra-keen — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 00:30:19 GMT

Hello Helena, what an awful buying experience you have had. Just ignore the abusive emails, did you say the seller was overseas?

If so it would be a bit hard for him/her to do anything. So just keep doing what you doing, wait until the dispute process is finished. I do agree that you should not have to pay for return postage when items are fake. Have you tried ringing ebay?

Fortunately most sellers on ebay are very honest and above board, it is just such dishonest and nasty sellers as you have encountered that makes things go pear shaped.

Hang in there, and don't give up.

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foxette-in-sox — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 00:44:08 GMT

I have really lost my faith in both paypal and ebay.

Why? Ebay can't authenticate every single item listed on their site & you DO have Paypal protection as you know.

I just hope you posted back via registered international to the address that Paypal gave you? Or did you provide Paypal with a faxed copy of a letter from a reputable dealer that states the photo's are fake?

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foxette-in-sox — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 00:45:40 GMT

Sorry,that should read autograph not photo.

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marian_100 — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 01:10:49 GMT

Helena

Without question PayPal will refund you as the seller is deregistered. As they are fake you will not need to return the product. As for the emails have a chat to Ebay and make sure you block him via your email program.

You may need to provide PayPal with the third party authentification fail evidence, I am not sure how that goes but shouldn't be too hard

Enter into no further communication with him.

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30kittykins30 — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 03:07:53 GMT

Thank you for your support. In answer to a few of the questions posted yes the seller is from the US. He was already suspended from ebay before I filed any disputes so the abusive emails he is sending is directly to my personal email account (I am in the process of blocking him but it will take some time for this to come into effect).

The reason I have lost faith in ebay and paypal is not because they allowed this sale to happen. Of course I understand that ebay can't authenticate every thing listed. I have had many sucessful purchases and most sellers have been great however I had never had such a bad experience before. Niether paypal or ebay can do anything about this sellers behaviour and as I have already said I am required to send the items back (with tracking) to the seller at my expense. So not only have I been a victim of fraud but it will cost me money to return the items simply because the seller told paypal the autographs are real (even though they are proven to be fake). I thought buyer protection guarded against this but I was wrong.

I have emailed and phoned both ebay and paypal there is nothing they can do. It doesn't help that this was an international transaction.

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30kittykins30 — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 03:11:49 GMT

Also I have not replied to any of this sellers emails as he did not contact me through legitimate channels (and offensive) but he keeps sending emails any way.

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30kittykins30 — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 03:14:11 GMT

I meant I also haven't replied because the emails he sends are offensive.

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lyndal1838 — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 03:34:22 GMT

Helena, please read all the posts in this thread and follow the advice. You do not have to return fakes if you can prove to paypal that they are fakes. Usually all you do is prove to paypal that they have been destroyed which would not be difficult in this case.

If the seller is emailing your private address, just block his address...no need for anything else.

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thecatspjs — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 03:37:44 GMT

OP - sorry, I would like to provide advice and support if I can, but some of your posts are a bit inconsistent - in one you indicated that were waiting for paypal advice to post back ? and in another that you are already required to post them back?

If you have opened a paypal dispute on the basis that your purchase is not authentic and provided the required documentation to prove your claim - you should not have to post them back, rather paypal will require proof such as photos, to show the items have been destroyed.

Is the issue that paypal have already decided in the sellers favour and not accepted your claim and/or supporting evidence?

I suppose I am trying to understand at what stage the paypal process is at - and if the information you provided to paypal met their requirements regarding authenticating items, as they have quite clear policies and requirements in this area. You may be able to appeal their decision if you are able to provide additional information that meets their requirements.

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leader-of-the-band — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 03:45:00 GMT

says he is going to come to my country and get the photos back

I don't know how much you paid for the items, but, unless the items are worth many many thousands of dollars this is just a hollow threat. I mean, who in their right mind would do this for a couple of hundred dollors or less. You could forward the email where he says this to PayPal and say that you don't need to return them as he is coming to collect, in person!

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30kittykins30 — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 04:13:04 GMT

Sorry if I have been unclear I am very upset about this whole situation. I have 4 disputes against this seller for items I purchased over 4 different transactions and they are at different claim stages. I purchased them in different auctions the seller listrd each week. I filed the 4 disputes on the same day as each other and I escalated the 4 disputes to claims the next day. The seller was required to respond to paypal and he has done so on different days which is why the claims are at different assessment stages.

1 claim has been reviewed by paypal and requires me to send the items from this purchase back to receive a refund. The other 3 claims are currently being reviewed by paypal and it looks likely that I will be required to send those items back to get refunds for them despite the evidence I have provided to both ebay and paypal.

Hope this clarifies.

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30kittykins30 — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 04:20:03 GMT

Paypal sent me an email to say they decided in my favor to grant the refund for 1 of the 4 disputes I have against this seller (as I said paypal is still reviewing the other 3) however deciding in my favor means I have to send the items from this dispute to the seller at my expense (non refundable) before the refund will be processed.

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the-kazbar — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 04:21:38 GMT

Any abusive emails can be forwarded to the senders ISP and they will act against his account. Send to postmaster@sender's email domain. (so for example if their email address is abc @ AOL.com then you would forward the emails to postmaster@AOL.com

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lyndal1838 — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 04:40:26 GMT

But have you provided the proof that they are FAKES? If you have, then ring paypal and tell them that they are fakes and the cost of returning by trackable post makes it too expensive. Ask if you can destroy them and provide proof of having done so.

The whole point of this dispute is that they are FAKES, not just that they are Not As Described.

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foxette-in-sox — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 04:47:21 GMT

Helena,it would take all of about 1 MINUTE to tell you how to block their emails-what email program are you using?

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30kittykins30 — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 05:03:35 GMT

I am not very knowlegable about the technical side of computers and the internet but if you can help me block these horrible emails I would very much appreciate that. I'mhope this is the information you are asking for I use internet explorer for widows XP and my internet provider is telstra so I'm rigistered through bigpond mail. Is that what you needed to know?

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30kittykins30 — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 05:09:19 GMT

For the ebayer's message before yes I have proven the autographs are fakes and both paypal and ebay aggree with me however the seller has requested they be returned. I suppose he thinks he won't lose out on the deal that way because even though I get refunded the purchase price it still costs me to return them he can then resell them to some other poor individual. Or maybe he's just doing this to be mean. I don't know his motives.

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foxette-in-sox — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 05:12:12 GMT

Helena,your email program will have an actual name though-have a look at this link

https://bigpond.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/12524

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marian_100 — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 05:21:39 GMT

Yes do follow Kaz's advice. I did some further research and believe you may be able to seek external assistance via Econsumer http://www.econsumer.gov/ which is part of Internet fraud police.