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eBay's postage fee... here we go again!

backlogs — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 08:29:25 GMT

Hello to everybody who might happen to read this.

I only use this account to browse on ebay to get an idea of prices for items I list elsewhere.

I'll never sell or buy on ebay ever again due to their illegal postage fee.

I know this has been covered so many times and I know there's been so much information and links to the relevant websites, but the following information and link to the ACCC website proves in a nutshell (as far as I'm concerned) that what they do from profiting from a service they don't provide is illegal as much as ACCC or any organisation does nothing about - so it's up to the individual to take a stance against them just like I have, but instead of rambling on about what I'm doing on behalf of all Australian ebay users and to make ebay pay back every cent they've stolen... here's the information and link to the ACCC website:

The Australian consumer law prohibits businesses from misleading consumers (ie: their illegal postage fee should be displayed next to the postage cost just as GST has to be displayed). It also prohibits them from accepting payment (for products and/or services) if they do not intend to supply (those same products and/or services).

http://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/sales-delivery/non-delivery-of-products-services

I'll leave that with yourselves and whether you take a stance against them too is totally up to yourselves. Everyone knows (or should know) that this place if "rife" with unfair business practices and policies, but when they conduct in illegal activities and decide to steal money from the very people who make them money then that's my justification for my own stance against them.

Cheers!

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lyndal1838 — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 08:42:51 GMT

As much as nobody likes the fees on postage I don't think your argument will hold water.

Ebay does indeed provide a postage service at about 10% less than current Australia Post rates. If sellers do not use it that is not ebay's fault. And until such time as that service is withdrawn the argument does not hold water.

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dylan11235813 — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 08:52:08 GMT

They charge the fee on handling as well......

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lyndal1838 — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 08:59:52 GMT

So raise your prices to cover the ebay fees and your buyer is paying for everything.

I don't know what all the drama is.....any seller should be setting their prices to cover all fees and postage as well as the cost of the item.

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joethenuts — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 09:05:48 GMT

to backlogs i think lyndal has answered your question . mmmmmmmmmmm

also maybe ebay should charge people like you to surf ebay checking on prices and coming on to these boards. mmmm

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dylan11235813 — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 09:13:57 GMT

@lyndal1838 wrote:
So raise your prices to cover the ebay fees and your buyer is paying for everything.
I don't know what all the drama is.....any seller should be setting their prices to cover all fees and postage as well as the cost of the item.

That is exactly what I do (I have always had higher postage costs anyway and have never changed them). But as the OP has stated they are charging for a service they don't provide. In the end the buyer pays which I don't want (really I don't care). There is also the fact that the only option under ebays sytem is to use Australia Post.

I go buy a bubble mailer for $0.15 and I have to add $0.01 to each one just for the sake of ebay fees. ANd then get low DSR's for postage cost. What!!! there was only $8 worth of stamps yet I got charged $10/

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digital*ghost — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 09:54:40 GMT

@backlogs wrote:

The Australian consumer law prohibits businesses from misleading consumers (ie: their illegal postage fee should be displayed next to the postage cost just as GST has to be displayed). It also prohibits them from accepting payment (for products and/or services) if they do not intend to supply (those same products and/or services).

I strongly disagree with eBay's fee on postage costs, for a wide variety of reasons (I think it's unjustifiable by my standards, and I resent the fact that we don't have the same conditions as elsewhere, which is to only pay FVF on the first domestic option, no matter what), but technicalities are a b***ch.

They (eBay) contribute in a very small way to limited postage services, so I personally don't feel that's the sole reason they can get away with it, otherwise surely the FVF on postage would only be on the eBay "services"?, though I do know eBay only brought it in after the introduction of eBay branded postage, but... consider that eBay don't provide any of the products or services that sellers here supply to buyers, and they are legally entitled to charge a percentage (or flat) fee for facilitating the sale of goods / services.

When you look at it in the way that postage is an additional (and technically optional) service that sellers use eBay to provide, in the same way that they use eBay to sell products, or that they (eBay) have facilitated a sale contract of X amount (where X = product price + P&H), then it's probably a bit easier to see how they get away with it.

(NB: This is how it was explained by a member on the UK boards when the FVF on P&H was introduced over there - I know laws between countries, and how they apply, will differ, but similar things were said by others when the debate first raged, so I think it's likely a contributing factor if nothing else, and the ACCC didn't even read my submission about this way back when, they just sent me the same copy/paste reply everyone else who sent in complaints received, and I was talking about a slightly different - but related - matter... )

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x3n0m — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 17:46:14 GMT

There can be little doubt that ebay, auspost and the ACCC all feed from the same trough..

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cq_tech — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 19:15:14 GMT

Agreed. However, it appears that you have inadvertantly omitted Paypal.

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x3n0m — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 23:49:27 GMT

Agreed. However, it appears that you have inadvertantly omitted Paypal.

That little piggy gets spoonfed ..

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dylan11235813 — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 00:22:46 GMT

see how the pigs actually stand in the trough that they are eating from. They love it.

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x3n0m — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 00:43:45 GMT

see how the pigs actually stand in the trough that they are eating from. They love it.

yes .. I do see .. I would like to put a lol in there somewhere but it truly isn't funny .. a national disgrace in fact .. 😞

I certainly wouldn't be objecting so strongly if I believed these companies were engaged in honest practices .. once the competition is deliberately undermined so that consumers have little choice but to do business with very distasteful business partners that would be a deal breaker .. yeah we are being walked all over all with the assistance of the ACCC .. I am certain of it and have gathered all manner of evidence over the years that the ACCC is part of the conspiracy .. the big end of town especially the American Chamber of Commerce is onboard with the entire operation .. at this point we are just being farmed/gamed by these corporates and multi nationals ..

And while we are on my pet hobby horse subject of auspost if you are interested I have provided a link or two for you to educate yourselves a little to how "they" have basically shut the door on Australians who wish to trade internationally .. we think we are in a free country but I swear we are being backed into a corner by the very people who profess to be helping us ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot6n71tjmJY
http://redd.it/25fbbe

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aussie.grazing.boards — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 03:49:37 GMT

I'm not trying to rattle anyone's cage, but here's my take on it.

If Ebay's so corrupt and terrible, why do people continue to trade with them? Nobody has a gun to their head, do they?

So, spot the difference

$10.00 + $2.95 Shipping
$12.95 Free Shipping

If you consider the fact that eBay offers everyone the chance of starting an instant, viable, thriving business, with no hefty fees for global advertising and the like, it really isn't all that bad, is it? Or is it? I know if I were to build my own, stand alone website, with merchant fees (Visa - MasterCard), plus the fact I'd need to obtain ABN's and file Tax reports, I'd be on a far worse scenario that what I'm in now.

Just food for thought, and I'm not trying to upset anyone, so please don't attack me, I'm just seeing it from a different prospective.

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x3n0m — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 04:15:26 GMT

sold.com.au was bought by yahoo about 15 years ago and promptly shut down and they redirected sold.com.au users to ebay .. to this day Australian ip addresses are blocked from registering to sell at yahoo auctions .. the ACC allowed the trade and there was no parliamentary inquiry into the practice .. I get tired of explaining all this to newcomers to ebay .. if you like ebay you would have absolutely adored sold.com.au .. I could go on and on about the aquistitions that the ACCC have allowed ebay and all the ones they have blocked that would have not helped ebay .. I have no problem that people may actually like ebay it is just that now us Aussies have little choice .. we were previously getting good bang for our buck from

sold.com.au
gofish.com.au
yahooauctions.com.au

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Auctions

more recently the ACCC allowed ebay to acquire gumtree.com.au but blocked carsales the owner of quicksales to acquire trading post .. I could post you some links but have other things to do today then go through my superspy hardrive proving things to ebay sycophants .. it is in fact impossible ..

"You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes."

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collect247 — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 04:20:58 GMT

$10 + $2.95 shipping

$12.95 Free Shipping

Should be $14.25 Free Shipping

Or $14.90 if paying with PayPal

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aussie.grazing.boards — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 04:28:16 GMT

@crow I still don't get it, your eBay/PayPal fees should be absorbed in the retail price you set for your listing.

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dylan11235813 — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 04:32:05 GMT

@aussie.grazing.boards wrote:
I'm not trying to rattle anyone's cage, but here's my take on it.

If Ebay's so corrupt and terrible, why do people continue to trade with them? Nobody has a gun to their head, do they?

So, spot the difference

$10.00 + $2.95 Shipping
$12.95 Free Shipping

If you consider the fact that eBay offers everyone the chance of starting an instant, viable, thriving business, with no hefty fees for global advertising and the like, it really isn't all that bad, is it? Or is it? I know if I were to build my own, stand alone website, with merchant fees (Visa - MasterCard), plus the fact I'd need to obtain ABN's and file Tax reports, I'd be on a far worse scenario that what I'm in now.

Just food for thought, and I'm not trying to upset anyone, so please don't attack me, I'm just seeing it from a different prospective.

This isn't intended as an attack, but in that case I might start growing some weed. I make a decent amount of money but that does not negate the fact of any perceived injustice

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collect247 — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 04:34:00 GMT

Yes I have done that.

10% ebay fees.

2.6% + $0.30 paypal fees.

And you need to add 10% GST fees haha

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collect247 — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 04:35:47 GMT

You'd make more selling the weed than growing it

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aussie.grazing.boards — Sat, 26 Sep 2015 04:43:29 GMT

Every retailer (IE The Good Guys), include their outgoings in the price. When you purchase an item, it isn't broken down like this

$1.00 cost of item
$5.00 profit
$0.43 merchant fees
$1.20 cost to ship it from China to AU warehouse
$0.23 Electricity and rates
$1.23 cost of having new carpet layed
$2.07 Advertising
$1.72 Freight from Sydney warehouse to Brisbane store

RRP $12.78

Or have I miss interpreted your post?