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Selling Fees and PayPal Fees

sirakovski.2007 — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 07:19:15 GMT

I am extremely disappointed with ebay - gone are the days when the little person could sell an item and reach a wide sector of the market. While I was on ebay checking how my FEW items were going I was browsing and buying others. I was not nor will I ever be a big seller on ebay.

To sell an Item I have to use PayPal - no PayPal no listing. After my item sold PayPal takes a cut and then ebay takes their cut - 9.9% to be exact. I really cannot justify the 9.9% fee. I can understand a small fee being a fixed price for the service provided but a 9.9% fee of the final value is a joke. The same amount of effort goes into an item if it is $1 or $1000. Both ebay and the seller do no extra work on the $1000 item. Fees like that should be directed to the big businesses.

A lot of people who sell on ebay are individuals that may have a handful of items to sell every now and then. Ebay is quite happy to charge the local community for selling their second-hand items and charge them 9.9%

Consideration should be given to the small sellers - people who sell every now and then.

Gumtree is my next move!!!!!!!!!

Elvi

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clarry100 — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 07:28:21 GMT

Gumtree is owned and operated by eBay.
What you are paying eBay the 9.9% for I'd the use of their platform and the traffic volume that comes with it. To sell you need to build these fees (and other costs) into your final selling price.
Don't forget that 9.9% of a $1 item is 9.9 cents but for a $1,000 item is $99. So the bigger sellers are paying more $$$$ but still 9.9%.
If you want your FVF lower you might consider increasing your sales volume and buy a store. The fees for a basic store are 8%, but the store costs you $24.95 per month no matter how much you sell.
The fees are all a cost of doing business and at the end of the day your buyer pays for it in the item price.
If you can't deal with that then I suspect that perhaps eBay is not the platform for you to sell on. But good luck finding another platform with the traffic volumes.

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digital*ghost — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 09:20:00 GMT

@sirakovski.2007 wrote:

To sell an Item I have to use PayPal - no PayPal no listing. After my item sold PayPal takes a cut and then ebay takes their cut - 9.9% to be exact. I really cannot justify the 9.9% fee. I can understand a small fee being a fixed price for the service provided but a 9.9% fee of the final value is a joke. The same amount of effort goes into an item if it is $1 or $1000. Both ebay and the seller do no extra work on the $1000 item. Fees like that should be directed to the big businesses.

Percentage-based fees aren't due to the work involved, or suggestive that it costs eBay / PayPal more to facilitate a sale of $1000 than it does a $10 one, but the higher value something is, the higher risk the seller, PayPal, and (to a much lesser extent) eBay take on that sale. It's also intended to keep up with inflation without having to do continual pricing reviews.

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chameleon54 — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 10:30:38 GMT

@sirakovski.2007 wrote:
I am extremely disappointed with ebay - gone are the days when the little person could sell an item and reach a wide sector of the market. While I was on ebay checking how my FEW items were going I was browsing and buying others. I was not nor will I ever be a big seller on ebay.

To sell an Item I have to use PayPal - no PayPal no listing. After my item sold PayPal takes a cut and then ebay takes their cut - 9.9% to be exact. I really cannot justify the 9.9% fee. I can understand a small fee being a fixed price for the service provided but a 9.9% fee of the final value is a joke. The same amount of effort goes into an item if it is $1 or $1000. Both ebay and the seller do no extra work on the $1000 item. Fees like that should be directed to the big businesses.

A lot of people who sell on ebay are individuals that may have a handful of items to sell every now and then. Ebay is quite happy to charge the local community for selling their second-hand items and charge them 9.9%

Consideration should be given to the small sellers - people who sell every now and then.

Gumtree is my next move!!!!!!!!!

Elvi
Fees like that should be directed to the big business..............WHY ?????

Every account holder on ebay costs the company money. It would be much cheaper and more efficient for ebay to have 100 sellers each with 1,000,000 listings than to have 1,000,000 customers each with 100 listings. On this basis it could be argued that small seller should pay much more per item to use ebays platform than bigger sellers as they cost the company much more to service. In effect this is what actually happens.

I,m sorry, but I just cant understand why people think ebay, which is a business designed to make a profit, should just give its services away for free to small sellers who only sell now and then. You dont go into Woolies or Coles and expect them to give you the groceries for free if you only shop there now and then, so why ebay ????

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*tippy*toes* — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 10:33:36 GMT

Good luck with Gumtree is all I can say. People not turning up. People trying to barter, both before the sale and when if they turn up. People getting upset, angry and aggressive when you refuse to accept the pittance they've offered. It may not have fees over there....the eBay owned Gumtree, but it has its own issues.

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phorum_junkie* — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 00:05:34 GMT

There are other sites where you can list at either very low or no cost.

The problem is you are doing just that....listing. You won't be selling anything. Ebay's 9.9% in fees leaves me with some money for my effort, I put as much effort into listing on the other sites for absolutely no return.

If you cannot sell things for enough to cover your fees and some left over why do you bother?

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performance_parts_clearance_centre — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 02:37:49 GMT

"Gumtree is my next move!!!!!!!!!"

Reasons to:

Free listings
No "Final Value Fees".

Reasons not to:

Search functionality. Basically, there isn't any. If you do a search that contains more than one word, you'll get listings that include any of the words. If I search for "TV Week" (as in the magazine, which I collect), I get TV sets, rental properties, ads for talent agencies, etc. Using quotations marks around your search term has no effect. Trying to filter by excluding words (using the minus sign before them) doesn't work.

It's locally-based, so you have to set a search distance from your location (you can type in "Australia" if you want to search nationally).

It's painful...
No "Checkout" system. Basically, the buyer messages you direct, and you come to an arrangement re payment and delivery. That's it. It's the online equivalent of the old "Trading Post" newspaper. Your ad stays active until you delete it - the site does nothing. Nothing in the way of a "Selling / Sold" screen like on here.
Dispute resolution. None. If you buy a dodgy item, too bad. No Feedback, no Resolution Centre, no Item Not As Described, no Unpaid Item cases, etc.
Fixed-price listings only. No more will you get two people bidding items up to an insane price, and you making a packet.
Haggling. Be prepared for messages asking if you'll take $7.50 for the item you've listed for $50.
Time-wasters. You'll arrange a time and place, and the buyer won't show. Or they'll examine the item, and decide it's not what they wanted. Conversely, you'll drive 20k's to look at an item you intend buying, and find that someone else took it ten minutes before you arrrived...
Payment. In theory, only PayPal, Bank Deposit. or Cash on pick-up. In practice, you'll get people offering money orders, Western Union, beads, sea-shells, small children, etc

There's all manner of other numpty-ness on parade on Gumtree - ads for items that sold three weeks ago, which the seller hasn't gotten around to taking down are a highlight. Think of the worst sellers you've seen on eBay - because of its nature, Gumtree's kind of made up of those. Now imagine the buyers...

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phorum_junkie* — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 03:32:22 GMT

Payment. In theory, only PayPal, Bank Deposit. or Cash on pick-up. In practice, you'll get people offering money orders, Western Union, beads, sea-shells, small children, etc

Ok with the rest but do not accept small children, I can't eat a whole one.

Well gee thanks for that, so I am one of the worst sellers on ebay LOL I find Guntree OK for pick up items and while you get a lot of time wasters I do not allow haggling and only accept cash.

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*tippy*toes* — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 08:44:23 GMT

I only eat children if they're cooked properly. Trouble is, there are very few these days who know how to get them just right. They're either over done or underdone. Underdone is the worst because they are quite chewy and stringy 😄

If they're small enough it's not hard to eat a whole one on your own. You can always reheat any leftovers. They are just as good nuked the next day.

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knewdoors — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 00:45:17 GMT

Gee thanks Ebay..

I used to get free listings..on all of my store items..

Now you've gone back to charging on listinsg once 200 have been listed..

Always re-arraging the deck chairs.always skimming and scaming us!

Turning on and off store lights..and you then put out spin that is utter garbage about the word "free"

it really means you are taking more...throw in the cut that Paypal takes and you have the audacity to say it's not connected adds insult to injury..one day i'll be able to rasie the finger say go to hell!

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Anonymous — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 00:51:44 GMT

I do wish they came pre-packed though,like salads. All that washing and chopping and rinsing. Hardly seems worth it

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davewil1964 — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 05:19:17 GMT

We were all advised that the double included listings were ending at the end of December, plus it was posted on this board as well.

If you read the emails you get from eBay, you would also know that basic stores will get 600 included listings from the middle of next month.

Which was also discussed on this board.

And Paypal charge the same fees regardless of the selling platform so, yes, it is unconnected.

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davewil1964 — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 09:19:29 GMT

Try reading your emails, or even the eBay announcements.

As I sell here I keep myself apprised of the current situation/s.

If you feel you need to vent on the boards rather than spend your time productively, that is your choice.

I am unsure how stating facts relates to sycophantism, but I'm sure you will enlighten me. Once you actually determine the definition of sycophant.

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springyzone — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 11:04:32 GMT

What you say has a lot of elements of truth in it.

Back in the early 2000s we used to sell small items, often for about $3 up (pick up or plus postage) and still managed to make a profit.

Those days have long gone, we certainly wouldn't be doing it now. Probably should have bumped our prices up more even back then.

But the thing is, ebay is a business so if you want to use it, you will need to price your goods enough so you still come out of it with a reasonable profit even after paying thre fees.

Here is what I have found: I have had fairly good success with Gumtree. I only do pick up/cash. The things that sell quite well are either heavier items or what I would call more substantial items. For instance in the last week I have sold a wedding wishing well & a thermos flask (both new) with no hassles, very dependable people who turned up the second they said they would.

But you certainly can strike some numpties, have done in the past. There isn't the same accountability as on ebay so they are a bit thicker on the ground.

Then again, you don't lose your item, only your time or patience.

Where gumtree is pretty hopeless is on small items, costing only a few dollars. I don't think people can be bothered calling round for small garage sale type stuff. They prefer ebay where small things are posted.

Garage sales/markets: You get bottom dollar for your stuff at these but if you have a lot of small items, this is probably the best way. Mind you, an ad in the local paper would set you back about $50+, which makes ebay look good, doesn't it!!.

You can put a free garage sale ad on gumtree and it works very well. It's what everyone does now, that and a couple of other online sites for free garage sale ads.

If you have anything you want to give away, gumtree is also good, you'll be run off your phone!

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max-power-models — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 23:07:59 GMT

Really with the platform eBay provides to have your goods sent worldwide 9.98% is pretty fair. Don't forget there's an small army of CSO and IT people to pay. Try selling something at a proper auction were you'd be looking at 20% plus in fees and the buyer is up for 20%.

My only grief with eBay fees is there FVF on postage, which now I pass onto the buyer. I would buy stuff off Gumtree but would never ever sell stuff. Imagine if you went to a market and hired a stall for $50 and sold $200 worth of stuff , there's a 25% fee right there.

I'm first to put the boot into to any corporation that is substandard.

PayPal provides you instant avaliability to funds, which you can link to ebay and click n send. It also offers protection for you and the buyer.

Good luck with Gumtree

Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it up to forced consciousness expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten.”

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thedees98 — Sun, 29 Jan 2017 00:37:28 GMT

Hi All,

My only gripe with fees is that you get charged fees on postage. I have stopped selling overseas because of this.

I sell a lot of books which are heavy so incur big fees for a cheap book. I know people say add the costs in to your asking price but then things become too expensive for people to buy because of the postage, so you lose out again.

I also realise why ebay started doing this as sellers were adding ridiculous amounts for postage to get out of FVFs but it would be easy enough to put a cap on postage as they did for books a while ago. If you put postage as prepaid satchels then that is all you can ask for postage, if it is a parcel you put in the measurements and weight it calculates the cost.

Some people will still find a way to rip them off but that happens everwhere unfortunately, so as always the majority suffer for the minority.

In regards to gumtree, been there done that, total waste of time.

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padi*0409 — Sun, 29 Jan 2017 00:44:33 GMT

If it was a level playing field for Aussie sellers on international postage it would be fine, US sellers are apparently only charged local postage fees for international sales...................go figure that one out

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utscott123 — Wed, 30 Oct 2019 05:05:07 GMT

This is basic robbery, charge a pay pal fee then charge a seller fee..hope people dump trading through you.

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daydreams_12 — Wed, 30 Oct 2019 05:13:02 GMT

You have replied to a thread that is 2 1/2 years old. May we ask your purpose. Very helpful for your first post here. Please check dates before replying with nothing constructive.

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supermussolinibros — Wed, 30 Oct 2019 19:38:10 GMT

hey that actually sounds like ebay, not gumtree.

don't forget facebook market place-that's where the party is (no fees/no paypal) - more australians than ever are using the market place - here's an article for you to read

https://www.marketplacepulse.com/articles/ebay-growth-turns-negative