topic Re: Non Paying Buyers Positive Feedback Scam in Selling

Non Paying Buyers Positive Feedback Scam

t-bone0421 — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 04:22:33 GMT

This might be an old issue , however i have noticed recently with some non paying buyers that you cant give them negative feedback. You can give positive feedback with a negative comment but not negative or nuetral options. The thing with this is that they gain more points towards stars etc. So in reality you could buy 50 items , not pay and if all the angry sellers leave feedback that person could get themselves a blue star. I think this is something that needs to be fixed. Apart from the annoyance of non paying buyers , its the nuisance of having to get back final value fee's etc.

Re: Non Paying Buyers Positive Feedback Scam

freightcar2009 — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 04:28:03 GMT

You can only give positive and neutral feedback to buyers.

Be careful giving an negative/Positive feedback.... Its against the rules and you can get in trouble.

Re: Non Paying Buyers Positive Feedback Scam

extra-keen — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 04:29:27 GMT

Sellers should never EVER leave positive feedback with a negative comment.

The best way to combat non payers is to issue a non paying strike by initiating a non paying dispute - that can be done after 4 days and closed after another 4 days. They get a non payer strike against their account and you get your fees back.

Re: Non Paying Buyers Positive Feedback Scam

skippypom — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 04:39:47 GMT

Feedback is completely voluntary so just don't leave any.

Re: Non Paying Buyers Positive Feedback Scam

leader-of-the-band — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 05:01:57 GMT

this topic has been canvassed many times in these forums. Don't be surprised if many regular posters choose to not contribute to this thread. Those that have had non-paying buyers in recent times will tend to post and agree that something needs to be done. It can lead to a false sense that there is overwhelming/widespread support for sellers being allowed to leave negatives.

If every seller that has a non-paying buyer goes through the unpaid item process they will not only get their final value fees back they will help to shut out non-paying members as sellers can block members with two or more strikes in the last 12 months. Non-paying tends to be pattern behaviour, as eveidenced by sellers who leave them false +ve feedback. If just two of those early sellers followed the rules then a lot of the later false positives would not be needed as the buyer would be unable to bid/buy for quite some time.

Re: Non Paying Buyers Positive Feedback Scam

foxette-in-sox — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 07:52:17 GMT

You can only give positive and neutral feedback to buyers.

Be careful giving an negative/Positive feedback.... Its against the rules and you can get in trouble.

Sorry but thats completely wrong-sellers can only give POSITIVE feedback to buyers.

Re: Non Paying Buyers Positive Feedback Scam

foxette-in-sox — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 07:57:39 GMT

Didnt pay for item ,no communication ,please dont bid if you wont pay, relisted!

Just one example that I found in your feedback-only had a quick look- left for buyers-hope you realise that if they complained to ebay,it would be YOU with the policy violation.

Re: Non Paying Buyers Positive Feedback Scam

thecatspjs — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:00:51 GMT

Sellers should never EVER leave positive feedback with a negative comment.

It is in a sellers interest to be aware that it is breach of ebay policy to leave a negative comment with a positive rating for a buyer, and if reported it will be removed by ebay.

As with all things, knowing that this is the case, it is over to each individual seller to determine their course of action. What represents a negative or a positive is of course, quite subjective.

Re: Non Paying Buyers Positive Feedback Scam

phorum_junkie* — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:28:11 GMT

Any seller who is numpty enough to leave false pos feedback does themselves, and other sellers, a grave disservice.

It achieves absolutely nothing other than put buyers off buying their items as I would not deal with a seller who was prepared to violate a very clear ebay policy, if they will do it over feedback why should I trust anything else they do or say is as it should be.

Most sellers do not check the feedback of early bidders who are few and far between these days and even when sellers could leave negs it did not stop snipers or BINs.

As already pointed out the numpty seller can end up with a policy violation recorded against their account, which can effect their BM plascing, and lose the TRS ststus. They can also have their FVF reversed as leaving feedback signifies a transaction has taken place rather than it having been cancelled by the UID process. Worse still the buyer's strike will almost certainly be removed too so you have left all sensible sellers who have our blocks in place open to being hit by them.

Re: Non Paying Buyers Positive Feedback Scam

gameandwatchshop — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:15:19 GMT

feedback on ebay for sellers is a complete scham sellers are not allowed to leave negative feedback no matter how dishonest a buyer they are, yes ebay needs to change this system a class action against them needs to be started over there dishonesty and denial of free speech.

Re: Non Paying Buyers Positive Feedback Scam

thecatspjs — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:58:09 GMT

Any seller who is numpty enough to leave false pos feedback does themselves, and other sellers, a grave disservice.

Only according to a very, very few posters who just happen to be highly active on the buying/selling discussion boards, however overtime, whilst I am not such a prolific poster, I have viewed numerous threads and posts from a far wider range of sellers on this topic who IMO would strongly disagree that they are doing a disservice to other sellers.

Re: Non Paying Buyers Positive Feedback Scam

patchoo78 — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:06:27 GMT

a class action against them needs to be started over there dishonesty and denial of free speech.

Class action.. LOL who do you think you are, Erin Brokovich?

Laughable..

Have fun with your class action against eBay

Re: Non Paying Buyers Positive Feedback Scam

davewil1964 — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:38:17 GMT

Only according to a very, very few posters who just happen to be highly active on the buying/selling discussion boards, however overtime, whilst I am not such a prolific poster, I have viewed numerous threads and posts from a far wider range of sellers on this topic who IMO would strongly disagree that they are doing a disservice to other sellers.

Well, they are doing a disservice to me. All my items are BIN (except for a couple). I have no opportunity to vet buyers pre-sale. A strike, however, benefits me as they can't buy.

They work, too. Had a 2000+ FB blocked the other month, so even high level of feedback doesn't guarantee they're not a NPB.

Re: Non Paying Buyers Positive Feedback Scam

phorum_junkie* — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:49:57 GMT

How are they not making it harder for the rest of us? Every time they do this they run the risk of the unpaid item strike being removed so the buyer is no longer blocked from transacting with my selling ids?

Those who think leaving false pos feedback is a good idea are living in cloud cookoo land, they do nobody, least of all themselves, any good at all.

I actually have a lower percentage of non payers now than I did when sellers could leave negs as in those dark days there was no way to block non payers en mass.

Re: Non Paying Buyers Positive Feedback Scam

lotdealz — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:34:46 GMT

Ebay believe that people are basically good. There is no bad people.

That is why sellers can only give positive feedback. It is impossible for buyers to be bad. 😉

Re: Non Paying Buyers Positive Feedback Scam

charming_granny — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:31:20 GMT

OP's non-paying buyer has had numeous "negative positives". If all sellers had opened an Unpaid Item Dispute, the Buyer would have been a NRU by now.

Another one for BBL!!!

Re: Non Paying Buyers Positive Feedback Scam

thecatspjs — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:21:37 GMT

Those who think leaving false pos feedback is a good idea are living in cloud cookoo land, they do nobody, least of all themselves, any good at all.

Mmm IMO cloud cookoo land is more likely to be inhabitated by those who give carpy advice on these boards such as encouraging negs over imaginary issues.

As I have previously posted having confirmed with ebay - leaving feedback for a NP buyer does not negate a strike - the two systems are not linked.

Also, a wide range of sellers have also reported on these boards that whilst they may have left feedback for a NPB, they have also given a strike.

Re: Non Paying Buyers Positive Feedback Scam

the3coopers — Thu, 26 Jul 2012 00:01:09 GMT

But, as phorum has already pointed out, leaving a false positive is the equivalent cutting off your own nose to spite your face.

What point is there for a seller to get THEMSELVES restricted due to policy violations?

a) You leave a false positive.

b) Buyer reports you, and the feedback is removed.

c) Seller gets a policy violation against their account.

Net result = no "warning feedback" remains on Buyer's feedback, and a genuine risk of teh seller (not the buyer) being restricted.

In fact, it's actually a breach of THESE forums as well - the posts that recommend it can be reported for "Encouraging Violations"

(yes, I realise what thecatspjs wrote in post #7 above, and many others too - this comment is directed at others who are reading this thread)

Re: Non Paying Buyers Positive Feedback Scam

thecatspjs — Thu, 26 Jul 2012 00:44:04 GMT

I suppose its a bit the same as posting comments to the discussion boards that could be removed for breaching ebay policy too. Posters still do it.

In relation to feedback - IMO what comments are "negative" is subjective and not also so clear cut as some posters make out. Much the same as when sellers seek feedback removal themselves. Its all subjective, and ebay's call - not the posters on these boards.

I think it is good to discuss on these boards the pros and cons of the current ebay feedback system - with all the different perspectives reflected. It also creates awareness for new sellers reading the boards of the non-payment system including strikes.

Re: Non Paying Buyers Positive Feedback Scam

bliss*charms — Thu, 26 Jul 2012 01:35:01 GMT

Buyers feedback would be better a separate number indicating number of purchases made & paid -as its its simply an indicator of the buyer's likely level of experience of purchasing on ebay.