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NETFLIX TAX is ILLEGAL under the Australian Constitution!

sparkleright — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 08:43:05 GMT

I've let EBAY know, I just wanted to let everyone know the TAX is illegal under the constitution. It is illegal to tax private citizens. Tax is voluntary. Go to knowyourrights.com.au

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ircinic-7 — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 08:46:29 GMT

@sparkleright wrote:
I've let EBAY know, I just wanted to let everyone know the TAX is illegal under the constitution. It is illegal to tax private citizens. Tax is voluntary. Go to knowyourrights.com.au

Tell that to the Australian Tax Office.

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lyndal1838 — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 08:47:48 GMT

You are joking, right?

What you are saying is that the Australian Government has been taxing it's citizens illegally since 2000 as that is how long the GST has been in operation.

Or are you saying that all Australian citizens are being taxed illegally when they pay income tax?

I doubt that you will get any reply from ebay, even when they stop laughing.

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kopenhagen5 — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 08:57:20 GMT

Netflix tax is not taxing citizens.

It is taxing eBay. 10 % GST on eBay fees, a service.

Just like everything you currently buy that has GST on it.

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davewil1964 — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:26:54 GMT

@sparkleright wrote:
I've let EBAY know, I just wanted to let everyone know the TAX is illegal under the constitution. It is illegal to tax private citizens. Tax is voluntary. Go to knowyourrights.com.au

I suggest you take it to the High Court. Australian Governments have been mandatorily taxing citizens since before Federation. There is no voluntarism about it.

I think a cheap silk will only charge you about $3k a day. An expensive silk will KNOW you are wrong and won't even take your case.

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Anonymous — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:30:42 GMT

I assumed the OP was joking

Buggered if I know what the punchline is though

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davewil1964 — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:37:22 GMT

Pauline?

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ircinic-7 — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 11:06:31 GMT

@sparkleright wrote:
I've let EBAY know, I just wanted to let everyone know the TAX is illegal under the constitution. It is illegal to tax private citizens. Tax is voluntary. Go to knowyourrights.com.au

Come back, come back.

We need you.

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digital*ghost — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 11:51:06 GMT

@sparkleright wrote:
I've let EBAY know, I just wanted to let everyone know the TAX is illegal under the constitution. It is illegal to tax private citizens. Tax is voluntary. Go to knowyourrights.com.au

Out of sheer curiosity, I decided to do exactly that.

I am going to be frank with you - please do not believe things just because they are on the internet. 😞

First, I read their article proclaiming that personal income tax is illegal (I want to note here that they say nothing at all about GST, or tax on profit made by businesses, only that the tax people pay from their wages is illegal).

I knew I was reading a serious, well-researched article on a Wordpress blog when they referred to YouTube videos that apparently explain why the IRS taxes Americans illegally (no links, just a suggestion to "search Youtube"), and that something similar applies here in Australia.

Their evidence to support this was said to be found in section 6, page 23 of the origial Taxpayers Charter (this has since been revised, so it's also outdated), at least I was able to download a copy of said charter, and I went straight to section 6, page 23, where it says - and I quote:

"We prefer to work with you cooperatively, providing you with help to meet your tax obligations voluntarily. However, if you are uncooperative or obstructive, we may need to take firmer action. For example, we have formal access and information gathering powers that we use if necessary. People who are obstructive may even be prosecuted".

Leaving aside what the Taxpayers Charter actually is, to interpret or suggest the line in that quote I've bolded as "paying personal income tax is voluntary so being forced to pay tax is illegal" is such an obviously gross misrepresentation of facts that website you mention should be embarrassed to have put it out there. What it is actually saying is that the ATO wants their dealings with people to be cooperative and for information etc to be provided voluntarily, but if it isn't, they'll get what they want by any other means necessary.

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33_rpm — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 12:23:51 GMT

Section 51(ii) is the taxation power of the Constitution:

The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to:

(ii) taxation; but so as not to discriminate between States or parts of States;

As Barger’s Case states: subject only to the limitations expressed in the Constitution the power with respect to taxation
is “plenary and absolute; unlimited as to amount, as to subjects, as to objects, as to conditions, as to machinery” so that “the Parliament has, prima facie, power to tax whom it chooses, power to exempt whom it chooses, power to impose such conditions as to liability or as to exemption as it chooses”.

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ridyruki — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 12:26:16 GMT

I heard today that it has been amended and will not be instated until 2018 so im hoping Ebay wont be collecting it until then .Although its not so scary its only on your fees not the whole amount of sales

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digital*ghost — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 12:34:30 GMT

@ridyruki wrote:
I heard today that it has been amended and will not be instated until 2018 so im hoping Ebay wont be collecting it until then .Although its not so scary its only on your fees not the whole amount of sales

GST on physical goods valued under $1000 and imported into Australia has been deferred until 2018.

GST on digital goods and services (this includes such things as music downloads, streaming services [hence the name "Netflix tax"] and eBay's services) will go ahead on July 1st of this year.

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lyndal1838 — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 12:49:38 GMT

Like you Digi I went to the suggested website and as interesting as it was, it lost me as soon as there was mention of the IRS in the USA and suggested that something similar applied in Australia.

Why do gullible people decide that if it applies in the USA it also applies in Australia?

On the off chance that someone from ebay does take any notice of the OP and reads that website, they just might decide to ask questions of the ATO. Oh what fun!

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digital*ghost — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:07:10 GMT

Well, I have to admit that wishful thinking has a lot to account for, if you're a perennial fantasist like me.

For example, a couple of months ago, I stumbled across a group of people (US citizens) on YouTube who claim that a birth certificate is a bond and people can use it to get the US government to pay all of their debt.

I actually made it through a full 20min video of someone explaining how. I was skeptical at first, but by the end I was utterly convinced, not because they had plenty of uncredited anecdotes from people who said it works, but they drew charts on a whiteboard n' all. Now I'm just waiting for someone to discover the loophole that will allow me to trade in my birth certificate for millions, right here in Oz. Better be tax free, though.

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*tippy*toes* — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 14:43:46 GMT

@digital*ghost wrote:
Well, I have to admit that wishful thinking has a lot to account for, if you're a perennial fantasist like me.

For example, a couple of months ago, I stumbled across a group of people (US citizens) on YouTube who claim that a birth certificate is a bond and people can use it to get the US government to pay all of their debt.

I actually made it through a full 20min video of someone explaining how. I was skeptical at first, but by the end I was utterly convinced, not because they had plenty of uncredited anecdotes from people who said it works, but they drew charts on a whiteboard n' all. Now I'm just waiting for someone to discover the loophole that will allow me to trade in my birth certificate for millions, right here in Oz. Better be tax free, though.

But did they have pie charts and graphs? I'll only believe something if there is a pie chart involved. Oh, and a power point presentation....with pie charts.......and graphs. Gotta have a power point presentation, with pie charts, or it didn't happen.......and no sneaky pictures of cats in the middle like someone did at work a few weeks back for a laugh. We laughed.

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phorum_junkie* — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:49:57 GMT

Pie charts are good but even better would be WW charts, now they would be unassailable proof that it was so.

As long as nobody eats the evidence

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rocket2retro — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 00:06:27 GMT

No doubt all the workers at the ATO are empting their desks after this announcement!

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brerrabbit585 — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 00:44:31 GMT

This thread is the most hilarious thing I've read in ages! Thanks, everyone!

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redders_60 — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 05:14:07 GMT

Any value for my 1960 British birth certificate? I can back it up with an Aussie Citizenship certificate dated Brownlow Medal Night 1980!

Sometime back I had to produce both to prove I was here legally! My parents were 10 pound poms who emigrated in 1967! I speak with an Aussie accent, was educated here, & have never left these shores since I came here. Kids were just on the Mother's paperwork back then; So I've never held a passport @ all!

I'm an Aussie!

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imastawka — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 05:23:30 GMT