topic Re: New Store Subscription Fees in Selling

New Store Subscription Fees

gec2002 — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 01:51:03 GMT

Just got the email that come 14th February our store subscription fees are going up.

Basic $24.95 Offset by 600 Free listings

Featured $54.95 Offset by 1500 Free listings

Anchor (Make sure you are sitting down before reading) $549.95

However all tiers and stores will have slightly higher FVF fees at all levels and tiers

As per usual the devil is in the detail

The cap on Final Value Fees per item will increase from $250 to $400

Auction Insertion Fees (not within the collectibles category) will be $3 regardless of the start price for store subscribers.

They definitely don't want store holders doing auctions.

Off to do my sums and see what it all really means, there will be a sweet spot there somewhere, just need to work it out. But overall my guess is if listing items with normal listing fee you may in some cases be slightly better off, but for media @ 5c not so much.

Re: New Store Subscription Fees

helenm777 — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 02:00:44 GMT

Thought they would add more listings and change the Subscription Fees.after giving stores double the amount of listings for so long.

I am happy as I got up to over 800 listings and was not sure which items I would not relist (out of 300).

For me as a smaller seller,The Cap won;t apply.so all is good.

So will now continue to list items, which for the last month, I have just been staring at, wondering what to do with it al!

All my items are BIN /Best Offer, I have never used Auctions in my Store, as I have found they just do not sell these days, unless you start at a ridiculously low price and then may sell much lower than what the items is worth.

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Re: New Store Subscription Fees

gec2002 — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 02:02:49 GMT

Oops my bad

"However all tiers and stores will have slightly higher FVF fees at all levels and tiers"

In fact Basic store FVf will remain the same @ 6%, 8%, and 9.5%

Featured and Anchor will increase.

Re: New Store Subscription Fees

imastawka — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 02:04:06 GMT

And unless you're in the collectables category, auctions will now cost $3 per listing.

http://www2.ebay.com/aw/au/201701.shtml#2017-01-10094034

Re: New Store Subscription Fees

the4masters2013 — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 02:47:46 GMT

I've just received the same email.

I have a basic store and the increase of listings to 600 will be gratefully accepted.

Even with the price increase of the store, I can still save about $15 per month with increased listings.

Better get cracking and increase my stock so I'm ready for the changes!!

Re: New Store Subscription Fees

found-in-australia — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 03:47:11 GMT

What are the current listing packages and charges for people who do not have stores? Not really sure why that information would not be included when they are asking sellers to review how they are impacted, and consider what is the best option for their business.

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I am one of the "bad" sellers being discouraged because I had the audacity to establish an auction business on the world's largest auction site. I was rung a few years ago by Ebay and told that if I continued to list auctions on Ebay Australia I would be "punished financially", because auctions reflected poor customer service - I guess my star ratings reflect my poor customer service by not moving above 5.0 (50%?).

They relented a little a year or so later and conceded that auctions were relevant for collectables listings, but deemed that the following categorie groups are NOT collectables:

Vintage Cameras

Vintage Clothing Shoes and Accessories.

Vintage Electronics

Vintage Stationary Engines in the Industrial section - I have not worked out how to know in advance whether a stationary engine brochure will not sell at $9.00, or whether collectors will compete and take it over $600 (such as item 371772434803).

Vintage and Antique Jewellery.

Movie memorabilia

Television Memorabilia

Music memorabilia

Vintage musical instruments

All of the Sports Memorabilia categories.

Vintage and Antique Toys and Games

And of course "Books: Antiquarian & Collectable" are deemed not to be a collectable.

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I have made do with the $1.50 charge for listing items deemed not to be collectable, as punishment for having the audacity to establish and run a long term auction business on the world's largest auction site - doubling that charge will make it unviable to test the unknown values and saleability of many items. I am within a couple of days of the 19th anniversary of my first sale on Ebay (it was listed on either the 2nd or 3rd January 1998). I may still be selling on Ebay after 20 years, but the quantity I sell will be much smaller, probably within 2 months of now, as I change the course of my business and dramatically reduce my online selling.

Even though Ebay has upheld their promise to "financially punish" me for using their legitimate paid services, I still have never sold on any other internet site. Being increasingly punished for being a faithful customer for almost two decades reeks of being an abusive relationship, so it is probably a good time to mostly walk away from Ebay.

However I would like to confirm what the current auction listing offers are for not running a store.

Re: New Store Subscription Fees

gec2002 — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 04:03:40 GMT

A quick check of the numbers and as suspected there is only a limited range that you are actually better off and then only by a tiny amount. In a best scenario case where you sell everything you list (I know unlikely, but in all other cases you will be worse off) and based on a sale price of $20.

With a basic store if you listed 200 items you are 0.13% worse off. ($339.95 cf new fees $344.95)

If you listed 600 items and sold them all, you are1.6% better off, however, if you listed 600 items you are better off to have a Featured store, but not by as much as you are now!

600 sold Basic store $1179.95 Featured $909.95 New Fees Basic store $984.95 Featured $918.95

(Assuming list 600 tier 1 items and sell all at $20.00 each)

Re: New Store Subscription Fees

jfmgray — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 04:37:39 GMT

Unless I missed it, there was no details of any changes for Buy It Now listing fees for store holders. Before I do the math, can anyone identify any changes to the BIN listing fees, in particular for the 5 cent listing fee for the media category?

Re: New Store Subscription Fees

imastawka — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 04:41:36 GMT

Try rummaging around in here -

http://sellercentre.ebay.com.au/content/update-store-subscription-packages

Lots of info in there - FAQ's

Re: New Store Subscription Fees

Anonymous — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 04:45:44 GMT

@jfmgray wrote:
Unless I missed it, there was no details of any changes for Buy It Now listing fees for store holders. Before I do the math, can anyone identify any changes to the BIN listing fees, in particular for the 5 cent listing fee for the media category?

im in the same category. For basic and featured stores the listing fee for media (after the free entitlement) is still 5c

thankfully

Re: New Store Subscription Fees

jfmgray — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 04:50:49 GMT

Thanks Stawks - looks like the BIN listing fees remail the same so still 5 cents for media. So my "back of envelope" calculations looks like I am a fair bit better off, on the assumption that I utilise the 1500 free listings for a featured store - the additional 1000 free listings is worth $50 which well and truely covers the increased store cost and .05% increase in FVF. BUT will work it out more closely latewr.

Re: New Store Subscription Fees

brerrabbit585 — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 05:11:22 GMT

http://sellercentre.ebay.com.au/ebay-for-business/about-store-packages is the current info for stores, if you want to compare it to the new charges.

http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/sell/fees.html - if you click on some of the links here you'll find the info relating to non-stores.

To find the help pages, click on Policies at the bottom of every ebay page, then click on the A-Z index down the left side of the page for the best results.

Re: New Store Subscription Fees

brerrabbit585 — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 05:16:48 GMT

@gec2002 wrote:
Just got the email that come 14th February our store subscription fees are going up.
Basic $24.95 Offset by 600 Free listings
Featured $54.95 Offset by 1500 Free listings
Anchor (Make sure you are sitting down before reading) $549.95
However all tiers and stores will have slightly higher FVF fees at all levels and tiers

As per usual the devil is in the detail
The cap on Final Value Fees per item will increase from $250 to $400
Auction Insertion Fees (not within the collectibles category) will be $3 regardless of the start price for store subscribers.

They definitely don't want store holders doing auctions.

@Off to do my sums and see what it all really means, there will be a sweet spot there somewhere, just need to work it out. But overall my guess is if listing items with normal listing fee you may in some cases be slightly better off, but for media @ 5c not so much.

There's an awful lot of categories that do get free auctions in stores. All crafts come under collectables and get free auctions. I don't need or want them but I pay extra in final value fees because that's the category I sell under. I'm not going to beat my head against a brick wall over it. I can now put most of my listings on GTC and save myself heaps of work. What I'd really like to know is whether we get to keep AR. If we do, a basic store could have 2,400 listings!

Re: New Store Subscription Fees

brerrabbit585 — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 05:23:26 GMT

@found-in-australia wrote:
What are the current listing packages and charges for people who do not have stores? Not really sure why that information would not be included when they are asking sellers to review how they are impacted, and consider what is the best option for their business.

==========
I am one of the "bad" sellers being discouraged because I had the audacity to establish an auction business on the world's largest auction site. I was rung a few years ago by Ebay and told that if I continued to list auctions on Ebay Australia I would be "punished financially", because auctions reflected poor customer service - I guess my star ratings reflect my poor customer service by not moving above 5.0 (50%?).

They relented a little a year or so later and conceded that auctions were relevant for collectables listings, but deemed that the following categorie groups are NOT collectables:
Vintage Cameras
Vintage Clothing Shoes and Accessories.
Vintage Electronics
Vintage Stationary Engines in the Industrial section - I have not worked out how to know in advance whether a stationary engine brochure will not sell at $9.00, or whether collectors will compete and take it over $600 (such as item 371772434803).
Vintage and Antique Jewellery.
Movie memorabilia
Television Memorabilia
Music memorabilia
Vintage musical instruments
All of the Sports Memorabilia categories.
Vintage and Antique Toys and Games
And of course "Books: Antiquarian & Collectable" are deemed not to be a collectable.

==========
I have made do with the $1.50 charge for listing items deemed not to be collectable, as punishment for having the audacity to establish and run a long term auction business on the world's largest auction site - doubling that charge will make it unviable to test the unknown values and saleability of many items. I am within a couple of days of the 19th anniversary of my first sale on Ebay (it was listed on either the 2nd or 3rd January 1998). I may still be selling on Ebay after 20 years, but the quantity I sell will be much smaller, probably within 2 months of now, as I change the course of my business and dramatically reduce my online selling.

Even though Ebay has upheld their promise to "financially punish" me for using their legitimate paid services, I still have never sold on any other internet site. Being increasingly punished for being a faithful customer for almost two decades reeks of being an abusive relationship, so it is probably a good time to mostly walk away from Ebay.

However I would like to confirm what the current auction listing offers are for not running a store.

I found a better page for comparison of stores and non-stores:

http://sellercentre.ebay.com.au/sites/default/files/Complete_fee_table_140217%20.pdf

Edit: this spells out exactly what categories come under collectables:

http://sellercentre.ebay.com.au/sites/default/files/Fees_by_category_140217%20v2.pdf

Re: New Store Subscription Fees

gec2002 — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 05:25:53 GMT

"So my "back of envelope" calculations looks like I am a fair bit better off, on the assumption that I utilise the 1500 free listings for a featured store"

Not really it depends on your selling price.

Again assuming 1600 @ $20 in media ie 5c listing, previously if you sold 1600 fees would be $2824.45, under the new fees it would cost $2872.45 an extra $47.50 in fees.

However, If you sell 1600 at an average price of $10 each you come out ahead. Old fees $1464.95 New Fees $1428.45 a saving of $36.50. Go Wild!

Re: New Store Subscription Fees

davewil1964 — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 05:53:07 GMT

Assuming you sell everything you list, which I daresay most don't.

If I have 600 listings and it costs me an extra $5 to list 400 of them within the new allocation, that equates to 1.25c each for those 400, rather than 5c as now. So I am better off. By $15 per month. And my FVFs don't change.

Re: New Store Subscription Fees

jfmgray — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 05:53:27 GMT

My average selling price per media item is under $10

Re: New Store Subscription Fees

lurehouse — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 05:59:50 GMT

This is another nail in the coffin for small to medium sellers with a basic store, the way I have worke it out I will be worse of by around $6.00 a month. With ever increasing Aus Post increases, Paypal Fees and now this it is becoming unviable unless you are a large seller. All of you peasents can nick off to gumtree that will there catch cry, they are getting rid of us by stealth..................

Re: New Store Subscription Fees

gec2002 — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 06:28:41 GMT

As I stated earlier selling everything is a best case selling less will leave you worse off.

And while the argument you state makes you $15 better off, why would you have a basic store selling 600 items. You are only providing the facts that suit your case and certainly not the cheapest opinion.

Davevil sells books so 5c listing fee tier 2 fvfs

So his 600 books in a basic store if all sold @ $20 each would currently cost him $1179.95 but under the new fees, he would only pay $1164.95 a saving of $15. As he stated!

But what he's not saying because that would spoil his argument is he should use a featured store.

Features Store Old fees for 600 books @$20 = $1074.95 ($105 saving on basic store) New fees featured store $1080.95 (now only an $84.00 saving over the basic store, but still cheaper), but an increase of $6.00 over the old featured store rate.

Re: New Store Subscription Fees

davewil1964 — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 07:35:45 GMT

Why would I use a featured store when the old store cost was 10c per included 'free' listing vs 5c over the allocation?

With the new allocation of 600 for a basic store, it makes a featured store even less viable.

In my particular circustances admittedly, but as I've mentioned I doubt too many sellers have a 100% sell-through rate. And sales don't make a difference for books. The FVF won't change, so the only difference is the listing fees, which, pro-rata, are less.