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Who can stop these seller?

stanleypackaging — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:16:03 GMT

These seller is bidding by himself.

eBay never stop him!

Unfair!!!!

Re: Who can stop these seller?

yodablu — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:19:58 GMT

How come the prices dont change, every amount is the same.

Re: Who can stop these seller?

leader-of-the-band — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:59:25 GMT

So, they sell laptop batteries through Buy-It-Now listings and you sell batteries by Buy-It-Now listings. What's the problem? If they are hitting the Buy-It-Now from another of their accounts then they would have many final value fees to pay. They are not bidding on their own items as no bidding is taking place.

Re: Who can stop these seller?

***super_nova*** — Sat, 11 Aug 2012 01:06:16 GMT

I am sorry nobody is bidding, they are multiple BIN sales. So one person bought number of them? It is unlikely be the seller, as already mentioned all what they would achieve would be to pay heaps in fees.

Re: Who can stop these seller?

mini*lindy — Sat, 11 Aug 2012 01:43:32 GMT

they are not BIDS they are SALES.... that seller is selling items.

if you look at any good seller with multiply quantities of the same item you will see how many they have SOLD

Re: Who can stop these seller?

leader-of-the-band — Sat, 11 Aug 2012 06:08:30 GMT

the only advantage in buying things off yourself in this Buy-It-Now format may be that it increases your ranking in search results using Best Match. Even then, I would think that buying from yourself would prove counter productive.

Re: Who can stop these seller?

digital*ghost — Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:08:45 GMT

I've seen sellers with "purchase history" on items like this before, and yes, the purpose is to improve best match rankings - it costs the seller nothing and is just one of the ways BM can be maipulated to someone's advantage. I don't think it's right, and one of the major flaws in that being the default search option, but where there's a weakness to exploit, you'll always find sellers willing to do so, and as far as I know this sort of practice is not technically against any actual policy. 😞 X-(

Re: Who can stop these seller?

sexy*harley*chick — Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:44:32 GMT

But they would have to put in lots of unpaid item disputes, so that in iteself would look shonky to ebay, and if they dont put in the disptues then yes it is costing them money.

Re: Who can stop these seller?

digital*ghost — Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:01:37 GMT

Unpaid item disputes aren't the only way to not have to pay FVF on a sale - my guess is these transactions are finalised quite quickly at no cost to the seller, no strikes issued to the buyer, and a massive sales history on the listing.

It might cost them something soon, though - surprise, eBay have come up with a potential plan to profit from the desire to improve BM rankings.

http://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/blog/blog.pl?/comments/2012/7/1343703966.html/3/40

Re: Who can stop these seller?

colic2bullsgirlore — Sat, 11 Aug 2012 18:24:22 GMT

It appears a couple of the oracles have had a misfire 😮

check out those posts ..... do you see what I see ???.... and this thread, unfortunately, is not Robinson Crusoe....

http://www.eyesonbullying.org/bystander.html

Hurtful Bystanders

Some bystanders . . . instigate the bullying by prodding the bully to begin.

Other bystanders . . . encourage the bullying by laughing, cheering, or making comments that further stimulate the bully.

And other bystanders . . . join in the bullying once it has begun.

what can you do ?????

Bystanders also have the power to play a key role in preventing or stopping bullying.

Some bystanders . . . directly intervene, by discouraging the bully, defending the victim, or redirecting the situation away from bullying.

Other bystanders . . . get help, by rallying support from peers to stand up against bullying or by reporting the bullying to the appropriate authority

Bystanders who don’t intervene or don’t report the bullying often suffer negative consequences themselves. They may experience:

Pressure to participate in the bullying

Anxiety about speaking to anyone about the bullying

Powerlessness to stop bullying

Vulnerability to becoming victimized

Fear of associating with the victim, the bully, or the bully’s pals

Guilt for not having defended the victim

Are you a Bystander? ( think a lurker in internet terms ie one who for the most part reads and rarely posts)

I bet 43 cents a bully will post and ask me who or what my post pertains to :O;-):-p

Re: Who can stop these seller?

colic2bullsgirlore — Sat, 11 Aug 2012 18:43:35 GMT

http://www.weeklygripe.co.uk/a696.asp

The term 'regulars' has gained notoriety over the years on all kinds of forums.

That's where the bullies are easier to spot.

To an outsider or a lurker, it can be a bit intimidating submitting a post as a newbie.

Not knowing all the ins and outs and who knows who, it can be a bit daunting.

The TOS (terms of service) or forum rules usually only serve to favour the regulars and bullies if there is some flaming going on in a particular thread.

To give an example, I posted a complaint on the my3cents consumer site last April regarding issues that I had with my bank, Chase.

After lurking on some of the forums on this site I knew which regulars gave out sound advice and which ones were there just to flame new posters.

So in response to my post I got four comments, three of these were sanctimonious and opinionated.

I posted back somewhat sarcastically with "Thanks for the pontificating, dogmatic, sage, etc. advice!" which resulted in 'full mod status' being put on my user account.

This basically meant from then on my posts had to be reviewed by a panel of administrators before being published.

Anyway, being crippled by the powers that be, I could no longer fight back and watched as regulars were only civil to each other and downright nasty to newbies.

The unwritten rules were that the newcomers had to endure these nasty comments without reprisal.

The bullies knew how to get around the censorship and avoided talking with you, or PMing you if you hadn't been 'broken in yet'

keh???

Re: Who can stop these seller?

colic2bullsgirlore — Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:37:32 GMT

http://community.ebay.com.au/topic/Selling/Fraudulent-Activity/600152085

http://community.ebay.com.au/topic/Buying/Major-Current-Ebay/500157336

http://community.ebay.com.au/topic/Selling/Buyer-Says-Item/500157247

http://community.ebay.com.au/topic/Buying/Seller-Wont-Refund/500157192

Re: Who can stop these seller?

koalablue12 — Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:00:29 GMT

Colic - go to bed sweetie, you are over tired 😄

Re: Who can stop these seller?

***super_nova*** — Sun, 12 Aug 2012 00:02:47 GMT

Unpaid item disputes aren't the only way to not have to pay FVF on a sale - my guess is these transactions are finalised quite quickly at no cost to the seller, no strikes issued to the buyer, and a massive sales history on the listing.

Would these sales count for sales history once the FVF would be reversed? Surely that wouod be something that would come up on eBay radar, when one ID is buying whole heaps of items and then the sales are being cancelled.

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digital*ghost — Sun, 12 Aug 2012 01:30:49 GMT

Would these sales count for sales history once the FVF would be reversed? Surely that wouod be something that would come up on eBay radar, when one ID is buying whole heaps of items and then the sales are being cancelled.

A cancelled sale is still reflected in the sales history, and Best Match is based on sales to impressions - a buyer clicks on the listing, if they then purchase = boost to ranking. Subsequently cancelling the sale doesn't void the statistics BM is based on....unless the programming is a lot more sophisticated and intricate than I give it credit for.

Of course, it's entirely possible that the buyer needed 2 x each item shown, then a week later needed another 8 of each, and as a newbie hasn't worked out that they can put 8 in the quantity box instead of buying one every couple of seconds (guess they have at least 20 computers needing new batteries, or are going on a long trip somewhere without electricity), but at the same time it's reasonable to at least suspect that not everything is above board.

Just to put a question out there in general... What eBay radar? i.e. What is there to monitor / pick up / act upon situations like this (even if that mentioned by the OP is kocher)?

There are some safeguards in place so certain things can't be done without going to some effort to circumvent those safeguards; they have bots that detect certain policy breaches on occasion, with many other listings containing the same breaches seemingly undetected; shill bidding is only acted upon if it's reported and - upon investigation - an undeniable link is found between two accounts...and so on. If eBay have a radar to pick up fraudulent or suspicious activity, it doesn't seem to be switched on very often and when it is, methinks it still only flashes like a very slow strobe light about to flicker out. :8}

Re: Who can stop these seller?

mens_choice_ladies_lingerie — Sun, 12 Aug 2012 23:41:04 GMT

mate if i went around bidding on my own items i would be broke in a month.

I highly doubt a seller is paying sellers fees for the simple reason they want to out bid themself