topic Re: Beware buying Aust post express satchels in Selling

Beware buying Aust post express satchels

justcruising48 — Tue, 11 Dec 2018 04:21:07 GMT

There is a thread on buying about this that I saw too late, so putting this in selling as that is where I usually only look and presume a lot of sellers only do too. After a getting a voucher from ebay thought I would buy some 3k express post satchels for this tme of year. Arrived quickly BUT they do not have he little sender keeps tabs. Checked community pages and found they are fraud, Told ebay and got it confirmed also with Austpost who are all looking into it. Afterall counterfeit is not something urgent?? They may/may not get picked up in the post. Auspost may charge you postage and extra if these satchels are used as postage has not been paid on them, which Auspost has confirmed to me. All those sellers who bought are best to claim them back from the seller. May be more than 1 seller, mine were 163424396248

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twyngwyn — Tue, 11 Dec 2018 04:30:02 GMT

Perth, now!

I got caught this year buying same from Qld

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imastawka — Tue, 11 Dec 2018 05:24:55 GMT

That seller has sold hundreds of those satchels in the last month too.

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justcruising48 — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:14:44 GMT

3 days later despite reporting to both ebay and auspost seller is still selling them in the 100s. Where is the trust and safety team on ebay ??? maybe gone on holidays early

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lm-entertainment — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:41:48 GMT

they're hit and miss at the best of times. i was warned a listing of mine violated their "choice policy" which in fairness, i wasn't aware of and was totally at fault. i promptly removed the listing. there were thousands of others who were doing the same thing for the same items and some were selling multiple hundreds a day. i reported the listings; they said they would look into them.. to this day the listings of those people still exist and they've sold 4000+ of the items.

i hate to say it, but i think sometimes it's a case of profits for them over policy. i was selling minor amounts of the items, but the fees they would make on 4000+ of the items from one user, let alone hundreds would be huge!

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lm-entertainment — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:47:41 GMT

it also looks as if there is glaring problems with people selling express post satchels in bulk on ebay anyway. a lot of the buy it now prices are cheaper than australia post sells them for in 10 packs etc. when you take into consideration ebay fees, and the fact they offer free postage, i can't see how it's viable? or is there something i'm missing?

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go-tazz — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 21:59:10 GMT

@lm-entertainment wrote:
it also looks as if there is glaring problems with people selling express post satchels in bulk on ebay anyway. a lot of the buy it now prices are cheaper than australia post sells them for in 10 packs etc. when you take into consideration ebay fees, and the fact they offer free postage, i can't see how it's viable? or is there something i'm missing?

Some could be old stock that some try to sell,(they may get sent to a "depot" to be destroyed but get sold

instead).

There have also been cases where a number get stolen.

Duplicating is what the Chinese do so there is also the chance that some genuine looking satchel could

be fakes that get through.

Businesses also get discounts on vouchers so some of those could also find their way on to here as well.

In the end it could be a variety of resons,

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brerrabbit585 — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:18:16 GMT

I've bought satchels on ebay and got genuine ones but I think those sellers no longer needed them and were selling them for what they could get. Most of the people with hundreds for sale would be selling Chinese fakes that they attach the free AP tracking labels to. In other words, AP are delivering those satchels for free but the ebay buyer is paying for them and the seller is paying next to nothing for them and making all the profit that AP should be making.

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justcruising48 — Thu, 13 Dec 2018 00:30:26 GMT

I usually buy my satchels from ebay when I get a discount offer and all have been legit till now. I think they are bought in a huge bulk order fro AP, then sold in 10s or more. Worth buying if I get a 10% off voucher. But these express post ones clearly do not have the peel off tracking number sticker, but are using the free express post stickers available in rolls from AP. AP have told me they are on the lookout for these and you could be stung with having not paid postage and and get an extra fee penalty too. I have a claim on ebay to finalise tomorrow I hope for my refund. Despite leaving a negative to alert other buyers, people are still buying the same. I presume the bags are made overseas in you know where and the free stickers just put on. Very very good money in this unfortunately with this dishonesty, and AP are deliverying free. And we all pay in the end with the post costs going up

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brerrabbit585 — Thu, 13 Dec 2018 11:26:17 GMT

It's not just express satchels, it's all of them.

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chameleon54 — Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:24:49 GMT

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chameleon54 — Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:43:16 GMT

I sent the seller a question, asking if the satchels where genuine as they did not appear to have the correct peel off sticker. Below is a cut & paste of his response.

New message from: ***********

you are right they do not, as far as im aware they are old stock, the work fine without any issues.

Re: Beware buying Aust post express satchels

justcruising48 — Thu, 13 Dec 2018 23:43:59 GMT

Australia post are confirming they are counterfeit to me. Use at your own risk as they are looking out for them. Seller never reponded to my refund claim, now ebay waiting 5 days to hear from auspost who may/maynot refund. Auspost have lost $3000 since I last contacted them but they are too busy to act on fraud....

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lyndal1838 — Fri, 14 Dec 2018 00:07:01 GMT

Why would Australia Post issue a refund.....they did not sell you the satchels and did not receive any money for them.

They are still losing money when the deliver the satchels without detecting that they are fakes.

Talk about blaming the victim.

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justcruising48 — Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:58:35 GMT

I meant ebay may/maynot refund not auspost, but only IF they hear from auspost. I have spoken to auspost today yet again and they are still looking into it 4 days later and they have lost another $3000 potential in postage. 1 phone call to ebay is all austpost needs to do, or send out 100s of letters to people who unknowingly use satchels with no postage. Bit of a no brainer. I did not think it would b so hard to report a fraud counterfeit case

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davewil1964 — Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:24:45 GMT

You're assuming eBay will forgo sales fees on your sayso.

All you can really do is get documented proof from AP to get your money back.

You could report the seller you bought from to ACORN.

Then it is up to AP and the cops to take any further/possible action. If the seller is not registered in Australia, it would have to go through Interpol. Who might not think it big beer enough to devote resources to.

Your other option is to buy AP satchels from AP, and adjust your postage prices accordingly.

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justcruising48 — Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:56:43 GMT

The seller is in Australia. Yes I can buy from AP but then I could buy everything from the shops too, and never from ebay in case it is a con. Ebay should be safe for all, and should look into reports of items themselves. After all they have their own proof in the photos on ebay

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justcruising48 — Mon, 17 Dec 2018 00:15:03 GMT

Another lot of 300copies just been put on ebay. Wish buyers would realise they are taking a huge chance with no postage actually been paid on these 3k express satchels without the peel off sender to keep tabs. Ebay and auspost just too slow/busy to act on it.

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brerrabbit585 — Mon, 17 Dec 2018 03:07:26 GMT

Maybe AP have to buy them first so they have evidence when they act against the sellers. That'd explain why it takes at least a few days to do anything.

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onekiwi0 — Mon, 17 Dec 2018 06:47:57 GMT

gosh thats awful, thanks for the heads up. I too always buy what I need when ebay offers a discount. have ended up buying from the same seller for ages an act seller - IYKWIM - have had no probs with their stamps or satchels.... (altho no express)