topic Re: Australia Post - DO NOT SAFE DROP stickers in Selling

Australia Post - DO NOT SAFE DROP stickers

gocatsaudrey2013 — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 09:21:22 GMT

Hi there

Does anyone know what Australia Post's policy is re. leaving cards for post office pick-up when recipient isn't at home and safe-dropping? I received a parcel today which had a large red DO NOT SAFE DROP sticker on it. I was out all day - & it was left on my verandah. Do Australia Post now have a policy of safe dropping, even when there's a sticker asking them not to? I wonder whether the removal of all those delivery options like this on Click & Send is part of a move to reduce the number of parcels being carded and left for collection at the post office. Not good if it results in more parcels being lost or stolen. What do you think?

Audrey

Re: Australia Post - DO NOT SAFE DROP stickers

putney32 — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 10:01:02 GMT

the Do Not Drop stickers are no longer available from Aust Post, as all parcels have some form of ''tracking'' and cards are only left for Signature on Delivery required parcels / satchels.

so, you'll have to ask sellers to use SoDel. (for $3 more), or put a tub or something on your verandah for the postie to leave parcels out of sight of the street.

Re: Australia Post - DO NOT SAFE DROP stickers

thecatspjs — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 10:16:00 GMT

Do Not Safe Drop are still available from Australia Post.

They have little to nothing to do with tracking of parcels.

The are a senders instructions to the delivery person, and on occassion, this may be as the recipient has specifically requested that an article is not safe dropped at their address.

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lyndal1838 — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:15:08 GMT

Do Not Safe Drop stickers mean diddly squat if the buyer has a Safe Drop agreement in place with Australia Post.

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thecatspjs — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:54:24 GMT

IMO Do Not Safe Drop stickers can assist in reducing the likihood of theft from a residence if addressee is not at home to receive the parcel.

As the OP has found out however, they are not a guarantee that carding will occur, however my choice is to pop one onto my parcels, unless requested otherwise by a buyer.

In a recent Aust Post investigation over a missing parcel were compensation was paid, I believe that having advised Aust Post that a Do Not Safe Drop sticker was affixed to the parcel, contributed to being successful in gaining discretionary comensation, even though the parcel was tracked as delivered.

Re: Australia Post - DO NOT SAFE DROP stickers

888lightning — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:15:05 GMT

@thecatspjs wrote:

In a recent Aust Post investigation over a missing parcel were compensation was paid, I believe that having advised Aust Post that a Do Not Safe Drop sticker was affixed to the parcel, contributed to being successful in gaining discretionary comensation, even though the parcel was tracked as delivered.

This sounds good. I am facing the same situation now (on my other account). Customer asking where item is, showed them that tracking says its been delivered.. but they are disputing this.. so we have both lodged complaints with Australia Post.

I also put the DNSD stickers on all parcels.

Re: Australia Post - DO NOT SAFE DROP stickers

thecatspjs — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:05:37 GMT

Make sure you advise AP of this in any investigation.

If parcel had Do Not Safe Drop, and the addressee can demonstrate they were not at home at time of delivery scan (ie. they were at work) if proof is provided to AP then ... aside from a few feeble attempts to say they no longer provide compensation on regular parcels ... just appeal any decision and restate the case, point out their terms and conditions of sale for the product and you have a better chance of being successful.

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phorum_junkie* — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 16:28:27 GMT

showed them that tracking says its been delivered.

Where does the tracking say it has been delivered to? If it just says to the mail centre with no mention of the buyer's suburb then they will win the Paypal dispute.

If you want to be certain of winning a Paypal dispute you need to use signature required, click & send or eparcel.

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colic2bullsgirlore — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 21:20:05 GMT

@phorum_junkie* wrote:
showed them that tracking says its been delivered.

Where does the tracking say it has been delivered to? If it just says to the mail centre with no mention of the buyer's suburb then they will win the Paypal dispute.

If you want to be certain of winning a Paypal dispute you need to use signature required, click & send or eparcel.

https://www.paypal.com/au/webapps/helpcenter/article/?solutionId=1206880&m=SRE What is proof of shipment?

At the very least, your documentation must include the date the item was sent, plus one of:

An official acceptance by the shipper, such as a postmark or online status (status that shows the item was delivered is also acceptable), or
The recipient’s delivery address showing at least the state, city and postcode (or international equivalent), or
A receipt from Australia Post showing at least the recipient’s suburb, city or postcode (or international equivalent).

Where is the link to your proof of shipment advice ?

Paypal says minimally a date and a postcode will suffice as highlighted above.

To be sure of winning a paypal dispute you need to understand your user agreement, comply to the policies and be prepared

to prove to paypal how you have complied to same

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Re: Australia Post - DO NOT SAFE DROP stickers

colic2bullsgirlore — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 21:56:49 GMT

it is Australia Post policy that a card should be left at all times when a parcel is safe dropped.

If Australia post is not meeting their commitment or ignoring you directives then complain to the

PIO

link to postal industry ombudsman report on safe dropping parcels review of the first year 2010

http://www.pio.gov.au/docs/investigation-reports/AustPost-safe-drop_one-year-review.pdf

3.4 Of particular interest were the complaints we received from people who had tried without success to make

arrangements with Australia Post not to Safe Drop items at their address.

3.5In discussions with Australia Post at the start of the program, we were told that customers could choose

to ‘opt out’ of Safe Drop.

The procedure for doing this was not clear, but we assumed that a customer could contact Australia Post

using its customer contact number, or via their local delivery facility, and have their address identified as

unsuitable for Safe Drop.

3.6We have received complaints from people who tried to do this but were told it was not possible, andfrom

people who were told they could request items not be safe dropped at their property, but subsequently

received Safe Drop deliveries

3.7Complaint investigations carried out by us since the start of the program have clarified Australia Post’s

attitude to ‘opt out’ requests

We understand that there is no set process for an addressee to ‘opt out’ of Safe Drop but a sender can mark

an item do not Safe Drop’ a form label is provided for this purpose. An addressee who does not want parcels

safe dropped can try to make arrangements with the sender to that effect and ‘opt out’ in that way.

3.8 This however leaves an unmet need in relation to people who may have good reasons for not wanting

items safe dropped. It will not always be possible to ask a sender to mark an item ‘do not Safe Drop’ (which

assumes,as a starting point ,that an item is expected); and the sender may in any event fail to follow such an

instruction.

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thecatspjs — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:12:09 GMT

@phorum_junkie* wrote:
showed them that tracking says its been delivered.

Where does the tracking say it has been delivered to? If it just says to the mail centre with no mention of the buyer's suburb then they will win the Paypal dispute.

If you want to be certain of winning a Paypal dispute you need to use signature required, click & send or eparcel.

As I said, the tracking showed on the AP site that the parcel ad been delivered - not received by mail centre - not on-board with driver - DELIVERED.

Interesting that you are questioning what the tracking said regarding my, or any other parcel that is not your own ???

Not withstanding that I do send by methods that provide paypal protection, my primary concern is a buyer getting their parcel delivered- and Australia Post have let me, some of my customers and an increasing number of other posters, down in this area.

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iamanark — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:37:48 GMT

the Do Not Drop stickers are no longer available from Aust Post

cards are only left for Signature on Delivery required parcels / satchels

Why do some people persist in giving wrong/false information . Some people seem to be serial offenders in supplying information that is wrong and then needs to be corrected

and also others who do not read correctly and then want to bully others

Interesting that you are questioning what the tracking said regarding my, or any other parcel that is not your own

Well said

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thecatspjs — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:47:25 GMT

@phorum_junkie* wrote:
If you want to be certain of winning a Paypal dispute you need to use signature required, click & send or eparcel.

Other lurking posters, please note that the above information is incorrect.

You do not need to pay for expensive signature requirement to satisfy paypal requirements, you do however need to demonstrate proof of lodgement and addressee details.

I complete an AP lodgement form with addressee details for anything I happen to send registered large letter, regular or express, I simply attach the tracking number to the lodgement form, and postoffice stamps form with date received.