topic Re: NEGATIVE feedback option for time wasting non paying bidders to be exposed? in Selling

NEGATIVE feedback option for time wasting non paying bidders to be exposed?

gsd76_2008 — Wed, 20 Nov 2013 20:25:26 GMT

It is high time that ebay reintroduce feedback options for SELLERS, other than positive - so that time wasting NON PAYING BIDDERS can be exposed!! Any other sellers agree?....

Re: NEGATIVE feedback option for time wasting non paying bidders to be exposed?

putney32 — Wed, 20 Nov 2013 20:35:59 GMT

no, not me.

use the non payer dispute process, ebay issue th strike, you get your fvf back and move on...

issuing a neg may make you feel ok for a few minutes, but serves no real purpose to other sellers

Re: NEGATIVE feedback option for time wasting non paying bidders to be exposed?

phorum_junkie* — Wed, 20 Nov 2013 21:50:26 GMT

Definitely not, all that happened in the bad old days when sellers could leave negs for non payers was that the buyers handed out a retaliatory neg and carp sellers could blackmail naive buyers who thought a neg on a buyer account meant anything into agreeing to a mutual withdrawal after leaving a neg in retaliation.

It is much better now that once an unpaid item dispute is closed neither party can leave feedback and sellers have the ability to block members with more than one strike from bidding or buying.

I for one have better things to do than go and check the feedback of every bidder on my auctions to see if they might have a neg feedback that may or may not be justified and there would be no way I could stop a buyer with a hundred negs using BIN on my other selling ids.

Re: NEGATIVE feedback option for time wasting non paying bidders to be exposed?

thecatspjs — Wed, 20 Nov 2013 22:45:10 GMT

@gsd76_2008 wrote:
It is high time that ebay reintroduce feedback options for SELLERS, other than positive - so that time wasting NON PAYING BIDDERS can be exposed!! Any other sellers agree?....

Yes I think it would be a far more transparent trading enviornment if more visible indictions of non payment were available on an IDs feedback change.

I don't think a return to sellers leaving negatives for buyers is something that worked well in the past, as it can be used in a retalitory way if a buyer leaves less than positive feedback for a seller.

However, I think a count of non payment strikes received should show, next to bid restraction tally, and that an automated standardised feedback entry - ie Non Payment Strike Issued should appear for that transaction.

Some of these non-paying pests may start to think a little more carefully before bidding and buying if their non-payment track record was visible to others.

Re: NEGATIVE feedback option for time wasting non paying bidders to be exposed?

davewil1964 — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 05:47:40 GMT

@gsd76_2008 wrote:
It is high time that ebay reintroduce feedback options for SELLERS, other than positive - so that time wasting NON PAYING BIDDERS can be exposed!! Any other sellers agree?....

Nope. Wouldn't help me at all - all my items are BIN.

Whereas the strike system DOES work.

Re: NEGATIVE feedback option for time wasting non paying bidders to be exposed?

tstore — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 05:59:58 GMT

Everyday ... another thread about the same thing. Wish mods would combine all into one rather than having a sea of the same threads

Re: NEGATIVE feedback option for time wasting non paying bidders to be exposed?

thecatspjs — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:02:46 GMT

@davewil1964 wrote:
@gsd76_2008 wrote:
It is high time that ebay reintroduce feedback options for SELLERS, other than positive - so that time wasting NON PAYING BIDDERS can be exposed!! Any other sellers agree?....
Nope. Wouldn't help me at all - all my items are BIN.

Whereas the strike system DOES work.

The strike system does not work. I have my blocks in place, and have way too many non paying pests over the past 12 months, at one point up to nearly 10% of my sales over 3 months on this ID. Many of the non payers I get are repeat offenders, and based on my blocked bidder log, I have a greater proportion of non payers getting through my blocks than those actually blocked, approx 2 to 1. .

The hidden strike system and inability to leave anything but a postive rating is a cop out by ebay. The flimsy grounds on which non payment strikes can be removed is also a real worry. The current system is incongruent with a safe and fair trading place for buyers and sellers.

The current system It is entirely contingent on individual sellers opening an closing cases, and based on previous threads one can imagine that the proportion of sellers that use it is simply not effective enough to make a dint in the non-payment problem, as there is a proportion of sellers not familar and/or confident with how the system works or others who fear opening a non-payment disputes in case it results in negative feedback or dinged DSRs.

Re: NEGATIVE feedback option for time wasting non paying bidders to be exposed?

thecatspjs — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:05:51 GMT

@tstore wrote:
Everyday ... another thread about the same thing. Wish mods would combine all into one rather than having a sea of the same threads

I agree that ongoing threads would be preferable on some topics such as this, however it is unlikely as far too often when posters comment on older threads they come under attack for bumping dead threads and directed by a few regulars to start a new thread.

Re: NEGATIVE feedback option for time wasting non paying bidders to be exposed?

davewil1964 — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:19:25 GMT

@thecatspjs wrote:
@davewil1964 wrote:
@gsd76_2008 wrote:
It is high time that ebay reintroduce feedback options for SELLERS, other than positive - so that time wasting NON PAYING BIDDERS can be exposed!! Any other sellers agree?....
Nope. Wouldn't help me at all - all my items are BIN.

Whereas the strike system DOES work.
The strike system does not work. I have my blocks in place, and have way too many non paying pests over the past 12 months, at one point up to nearly 10% of my sales over 3 months on this ID. Many of the non payers I get are repeat offenders, and based on my blocked bidder log, I have a greater proportion of non payers getting through my blocks than those actually blocked, approx 2 to 1. .

The hidden strike system and inability to leave anything but a postive rating is a cop out by ebay. The flimsy grounds on which non payment strikes can be removed is also a real worry. The current system is incongruent with a safe and fair trading place for buyers and sellers.

The current system It is entirely contingent on individual sellers opening an closing cases, and based on previous threads one can imagine that the proportion of sellers that use it is simply not effective enough to make a dint in the non-payment problem, as there is a proportion of sellers not familar and/or confident with how the system works or others who fear opening a non-payment disputes in case it results in negative feedback or dinged DSRs.

Works for me. I have had 2 NPBs this year.

eBay has automatically blocked about 8.

Do you REALLY believe serial pests would not open new accounts when they got negatives? Really? Like they probably do now when they accumulate enough strikes that eBay won't remove.

others who fear opening a non-payment disputes in case it results in negative feedback or dinged DSRs.

I don't believe eBay should be protecting sellers who don't bother to read the rules. Especially the ones about how a closed NPB case can and will (if the seller asks) result in any feedback being deleted. You know, the ones they tick the box to say they have read when they sign up? The sort of numpty sellers who would leave retaliatory negatives for perceived slights? Or threaten to, in order to get a positive revision from the buyer? The reason why sellers can't leave negative feedback any more?

Re: NEGATIVE feedback option for time wasting non paying bidders to be exposed?

davewil1964 — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:52:09 GMT

@thecatspjs wrote:
I do realise Davewil that you do not seem to give two hoots about any other seller aside from yourself on ebay that has an issue with non payers - my issue is that a problem exists - it is real for my business and it has a negative impact on my stock availability and $$ lost for auction items. I am one of many sellers that has this problem.

If you do not have a problem with non payers, then great. But thats not the case for me.

Naysay away, with the strike system works manifesto .. lol.

Yet you seem to feel that YOUR experience is more relevant than mine.

I posit that mine is probably typical, given most members don't even know the boards exist and would only visit when they have an issue.

Re: NEGATIVE feedback option for time wasting non paying bidders to be exposed?

davewil1964 — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 08:03:13 GMT

@mtg-c4rdm4n wrote:
@davewil1964 wrote:
@thecatspjs wrote:
I do realise Davewil that you do not seem to give two hoots about any other seller aside from yourself on ebay that has an issue with non payers - my issue is that a problem exists - it is real for my business and it has a negative impact on my stock availability and $$ lost for auction items. I am one of many sellers that has this problem.

If you do not have a problem with non payers, then great. But thats not the case for me.

Naysay away, with the strike system works manifesto .. lol.

Yet you seem to feel that YOUR experience is more relevant than mine.

I posit that mine is probably typical, given most members don't even know the boards exist and would only visit when they have an issue.
Just once Davewil1964 I would like to come across a post on these boards that doesnt turn into an account of how great your ebay selling experience is compared to everyone else..

I just post it as I see it. From MY experience. If had had half as many issues as some of the whingers I would have stopped selling here years ago. Yet they keep on keeping on. Who does that reflect on? You also seem to have glossed over my posts where I provided factual information in response to legitimate questions. They don't fit your bias?

And I can post numerous examples if you care. But you would know as you seem to have a unhealthy interest in what I post.

Re: NEGATIVE feedback option for time wasting non paying bidders to be exposed?

thecatspjs — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 08:15:55 GMT

No. Your responses are not typical IMO. On this issue, I think your opinions reflects the view of a small number of regular posters, that reinforce the views of the other, as this thread demonstrates yet again.

I think you discount too many other ebayers with your theory.

IMO I don't think ebayers only "come to the boards" when they have a problem.

Whilst OPs frequently do, IMO the boards are visited by many other posters, lookers and lurkers as well.

I do think your experience counts very much. I have noted in a previous post that I think its great that you don't have a non payment issue.

Shame that some others who have a large non payment problem are not accorded a little bit of the same respect, with flat denials that non payment is not a problem and the strike system works, when it clearly is a problem for some.

I recall some time ago now, but still very relevant Jen posted some alarming figures in one thread on non payment levels that her business had experienced, if you don't respect those posts and others from large turnover regular sellers , then IMO you are in serious denial that non payment is a time wasting and $$$ wasting issue that is experienced by many sellers

Re: NEGATIVE feedback option for time wasting non paying bidders to be exposed?

thecatspjs — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 08:21:42 GMT

@davewil1964 wrote:
And I can post numerous examples if you care. But you would know as you seem to have a unhealthy interest in what I post.

Lol.

I have a healthy interest in the non payment issue, and I will continue to post on that issue, whether you or any members of the non payment manifesto group, post or not.

Re: NEGATIVE feedback option for time wasting non paying bidders to be exposed?

davewil1964 — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 08:23:42 GMT

@thecatspjs wrote:
@davewil1964 wrote:
And I can post numerous examples if you care. But you would know as you seem to have a unhealthy interest in what I post.
Lol.

I have a healthy interest in the non payment issue, and I will continue to post on that issue, whether you or any members of the non payment manifesto group, post or not.

So you are mtg-c4rdm4n?

Re: NEGATIVE feedback option for time wasting non paying bidders to be exposed?

mtg-c4rdm4n — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 08:43:41 GMT

@davewil1964 wrote:
@thecatspjs wrote:
@davewil1964 wrote:
And I can post numerous examples if you care. But you would know as you seem to have a unhealthy interest in what I post.
Lol.

I have a healthy interest in the non payment issue, and I will continue to post on that issue, whether you or any members of the non payment manifesto group, post or not.

So you are mtg-c4rdm4n?

Am I what?

Re: NEGATIVE feedback option for time wasting non paying bidders to be exposed?

thecatspjs — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 08:57:21 GMT

@davewil1964 wrote:
@thecatspjs wrote:
@davewil1964 wrote:
And I can post numerous examples if you care. But you would know as you seem to have a unhealthy interest in what I post.
Lol.

I have a healthy interest in the non payment issue, and I will continue to post on that issue, whether you or any members of the non payment manifesto group, post or not.

So you are mtg-c4rdm4n?

lololololololololololol - I have been trying to decipher what "mtg-c4rdm4n" means - lolololololol, I am glad they posted soon after so I did not have to troll google for long .... bahahahaha

Bit sad ... attempts to troll bust, well at least get it right. Or is it more deflection from the non payment issue ????

I have only ever posted under thecatspjs ID, save on one thread years ago in relation to a very specific issue and referenced my thecatsps ID in any case.

But carry on some more .... might get a belly laugh yet ....

Re: NEGATIVE feedback option for time wasting non paying bidders to be exposed?

davewil1964 — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 09:04:00 GMT

Just going by the quotes in your reply..

Why would I deflect from the non-payment issue when it is not an issue for me?

Re: NEGATIVE feedback option for time wasting non paying bidders to be exposed?

thecatspjs — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 09:48:31 GMT

@davewil1964 wrote:
Just going by the quotes in your reply..

Why would I deflect from the non-payment issue when it is not an issue for me?

Yes, why would you deflect from the non-payment issue when it is not an issue for you ?

? Thought _ Does the "non payment - the strike system works manifesto" contain a statement about if challenged stand and deflect

Re: NEGATIVE feedback option for time wasting non paying bidders to be exposed?

davewil1964 — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 09:57:04 GMT

Exactly. I don't.

You seem to think that your paradigm is universal. Guess what? It's not.

Re: NEGATIVE feedback option for time wasting non paying bidders to be exposed?

thecatspjs — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:10:35 GMT

@davewil1964 wrote:
Exactly. I don't.

You seem to think that your paradigm is universal. Guess what? It's not.

Lolol "my" paradigm - what the heck would any poster know about "my paradigm" on an ebay discussion board given the contraints of posting on moderated discussion boards and ebay policies - lololol ...

IMO such a poster who falsely claims to have such knowledge should get over themselves and leave such analysis to the privacy (or not?) of their group threads.

In any case, does not change that the current non-payment system is not effective and eBay needs to advance more proactive approaches to increase the safety and fairness of our trading environment. We sure pay them enough to do more than sit on their hands on this one.