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selling alcohol

robynxr8 — Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:26:39 GMT

Since when does an RSA entitle a person to sell alcohol on eBay?

When I did my RSA it was on for licenced premises.

Re: selling alcohol

lyndal1838 — Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:31:25 GMT

OK, I'm dumb....what's an RSA?

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repentatleisure1952 — Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:36:33 GMT

@lyndal1838 wrote:
OK, I'm dumb....what's an RSA?

Hi Lyndall-Responsible Service of Alcohol Certifiacte-must be held by purveyors of alcohol & their employees.

Re: selling alcohol

robynxr8 — Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:39:40 GMT

An RSA is a Certificate of Responsible Servise of Alcohol.... allowa a person to sell, serve and supply alcohol on a licensed property. Not, as 1 seller has stated in the listing, allowing to sell etc off premises.

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*crikey*mate* — Tue, 26 Nov 2013 05:02:17 GMT

To sell alcohol you need a licence to sell it doh. This is separate to the RSA. RSA is for the supply and consumption of alcohol by licenced operators on your premises. The premises do not have to be licenced as there are BYO restaurants etc, they don't supply alcohol, so don't need a licence, but they do need the RSA as the alcohol is being consumed on their premises.

Remember that many companies such as Dan Murphy's, Woolworths, Coles etc sell alcohol online for delivery to your home. The RSA has nothing to do with this as they cannot control who drinks that alcohol and in what quantities. (They do have to be opver 18 etc)

It the licence to sell alcohol which is required here.

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*crikey*mate* — Tue, 26 Nov 2013 05:03:54 GMT

eBay's Alcohol policy

(It is on the restricted and prohibited list)

Re: selling alcohol

lyndal1838 — Tue, 26 Nov 2013 05:11:30 GMT

@robynxr8 wrote:
Since when does an RSA entitle a person to sell alcohol on eBay?
When I did my RSA it was on for licenced premises.

I would let the seller know that they have the wrong credentials for selling liquor on ebay.

If they don't remedy the situation you can report the listing.

You may well get abuse for your trouble but I think it is the right thing to let them know before reporting.

Re: selling alcohol

*crikey*mate* — Tue, 26 Nov 2013 05:11:58 GMT

The listing is gone

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*crikey*mate* — Tue, 26 Nov 2013 05:14:57 GMT

That's interesting, if you do sell alcohol on eBay, you cannot use Australia Post to deliver it. Because they don't ask for proof of age for alcohol delivery.

I assume though that they are able to carry alcohol in real life as they sell boxes for wine bottles, don't they?

Wonder what rules are in place for that re age requirements?

(I'm too lazy to google, don't need to know that badly, but if someone else knows or cares, I'd be interested in reading)

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bigbrickshop — Tue, 26 Nov 2013 05:31:32 GMT

Australia Post do deliver alcohol. There's always boxes of wine waiting for collection at our local LPO.

A few years ago one of my boys won some bottles in a Johnnie Walker competition and he had to show proof of age when he collected them from the PO.

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*crikey*mate* — Tue, 26 Nov 2013 06:52:30 GMT

Thanks Sports, I was just going off this in the link up there

"Your carrier must be capable of obtaining the required signature. Australia Post is unable to solicit age verification upon delivery of an item"

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bigbrickshop — Tue, 26 Nov 2013 06:56:43 GMT

Maybe our PO was just being extra cautious.

For some reason they never asked me to show proof of age when I picked up a couple of the bottles. 😞

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amber-eyed-girl — Tue, 26 Nov 2013 06:58:52 GMT

Australia Post will deliver alcohol to your home without any requirement for seeing 18+ ID, just like any other parcels.

It is the responsibility of the seller to meet the legal requirements for selling the alcohol.

Australia Post even offers a service for bulk shipments http://auspost.com.au/parcels-mail/wine-deliveries.html

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*crikey*mate* — Tue, 26 Nov 2013 07:01:30 GMT

@sportandplay wrote:
Maybe our PO was just being extra cautious.

For some reason they never asked me to show proof of age when I picked up a couple of the bottles. 😞

ahhh, that would have nothing to do with your youthful looks, they would have known by the maturity in the way that you "carry yourself" that your looks did not reflect your true age.

how'd I do? Did that cheer you up?

Re: selling alcohol

*crikey*mate* — Tue, 26 Nov 2013 07:02:37 GMT

@amber-eyed-girl wrote:
Australia Post will deliver alcohol to your home without any requirement for seeing 18+ ID, just like any other parcels.

It is the responsibility of the seller to meet the legal requirements for selling the alcohol.

Australia Post even offers a service for bulk shipments http://auspost.com.au/parcels-mail/wine-deliveries.html

so what's with what eBay said up there.....

silly duffas

Re: selling alcohol

amber-eyed-girl — Tue, 26 Nov 2013 07:03:38 GMT

I've never been asked for 18+ ID...ever.

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amber-eyed-girl — Tue, 26 Nov 2013 07:08:38 GMT

"Your carrier must be capable of obtaining the required signature. Australia Post is unable to solicit age verification upon delivery of an item"

Crikey, you have eBay saying Australia Post cannot deliver eBay alcohol purchases as they cannot obtain 18+ proof.

This sounds to me like it is eBay saying that they, eBay, cannot obtain 18+ ID proof at the time of the sale, so they require the carrier to do so.

i.e. won't allow AP to be used as they don't.

AP will happily deliver your sprits etc. otherwise, and would no doubt be happy to carry eBay bottles too, but eBay would appear to have their policy requirement that says no.

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digital*ghost — Tue, 26 Nov 2013 08:10:03 GMT

I would say sending wine as a gift might be a little different that selling / posting it (which is presumably why AP will carry it without ID / license verification etc).

In order for a licensed seller to ensure they're meeting their legal requirements, a service that provides obtaining proof of age at the point of delivery would probably be necessary, but probably not so if I was sending a friend or family member a bottle for Christmas.

Re: selling alcohol

robynxr8 — Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:07:35 GMT

Funnily enough, Bundaberg Rum use Australia Post to deliver alcohol as do many others and rarely have been asked for ID, just a signature.

And in clarification of an earlier post, just to avoid any confusion, I am not the eBay seller with the RSA spruiking that it allows me to sell alcohol on eBay. I was just posting it to make people aware.

Also, if you are looking at an eBay listing for alcohol that does have a QLD liquor licence number, run the number through https://secure.olgr.gld.gov.au/forms/lls/ and you'll find that quite a few do not produce a result. Other states have similar searches on their relevant OGL sites.

Also, the other result that comes up that is sus is that the licence is for a business that is no where near the point of sale of the alcohol. Case in point was a 700ml bottle of 125th which was for sale in Brisbane on a licence issued to a hotel in Cloncurry. The liquor licences are usually issued for sale of alcohol only from the premises, not a couple of 1000 kilometers remote.

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thecatspjs — Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:28:29 GMT

Liquor laws are complex as each different state has different liquour licensing requirements and depending on the location and particular circumstances of the applicant, some have additional individualised conditions on the licences placed on them.

NSW has clear requirements on its website pertaining to online alcohol retail and for its delivery including:

Give written instructions to deliverer

You must give written instructions to the person responsible for delivering the alcohol. The written instructions must require the alcohol to be delivered:

to the adult who placed the order (include their name in the instructions)
to another adult at the delivery address who can accept the order on behalf of the person who placed the order
if the delivery is to be made on a day after the order was taken, in accordance with the customer’s instructions (such as delivery to another address).