topic Re: Sellers : Gain A Voice in Selling

Sellers : Gain A Voice

cmcoins2000 — Sat, 02 Aug 2014 23:54:14 GMT

For Years eBay's Mantra has been ' We are a Platform - We are a Venue.

Not anymore.

Today it is a Fee Guzzling, Dictorial, Judgemental monster, totally lacking in any Integrity

We the Sellers are held to Ransom for the pitiful little Symbols & Icons they offer for complying with the 'Policies'.

For the most part we Sellers are dealing with our customers with Consideration & Integrity.

Our Feedback is Testament to this.

There is always going to be an element of dishonest traders as there is everywhere.

Most of whom will not & do not last long.

To Comply we are directed to offer 'Free Postage'.

This is not China - our Govt. does not offer this to encourage trade - we pay a hefty cost for Postage.

To offer 'Free Postage' when the cost is recouped in the sale is not only dishonest it is illegal.

eBay do not offer the honest option of 'Postage Included'.

This is Australia - in a lot of cases same day or 1 day posting is nigh on impossible to say nothing of being non cost effective.

A 30 day money back guarantee is boardering on the ridiculous for most of our items.

Then we come to August 20th & the 'Defect' System.

This system is so Flawed - so Lacking in Reason - it beggars belief.

For whatever reason these so called 'Defects' are given & no matter the outcome between buyer & seller the 'Defects' stand.

This is the only country in the world without the even playing field of mutual Feedback.

Ours is totally stacked for the Buyer.

Without Sellers there are no Buyers.

eBay has stated a buyer not happy with a transaction is not likely to return to the site.

What Rubbish.

We have all had experiences we would rather forget but purchase again & again.

My Lone Voice will be heard on 20th August & on 21st August & on 22nd August & on 23rd of August.

My holiday Settings will be turned on - my items not seen - eBay will receive no income from me for this time.

My hip pocket is willing to take the hit & I gain a voice.

IMAGINE if it were not a LONE VOICE.

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*sparklz* — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 00:37:04 GMT

My holiday Settings will be turned on - my items not seen - eBay will receive no income from me for this time.

You have a store they will gain the store fees for those few days you are on "holiday"

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cmcoins2000 — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 01:14:38 GMT

Yes, at $49.95 for a basic the time will cost me the grand total of $6.44. As I said my hip pocket will wear it.

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cmcoins2000 — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 07:44:53 GMT

I am polishing my 'Defect Seller Badge' & thinking of inaugurating a Defect Seller Association. Mind you to join the criteria is mindless 'defects' especially with + Feedback - they work well.

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5kazam — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 08:11:51 GMT

On a post on another thread, I believe you were told by eBay they would have their DEFECTIVE defect system sorted by the time the dumb defect system was in place in August.

I would be interested to know if you have had any further response regarding the rectification of the DEFECTIVE defect system - and that erroneous defects are now able to be removed by eBay.

I refer specifically to your sale of the 16th to a buyer in Chile whose buying date was the 15th, who lodged an INR on the 16th, upheld by eBay, with a response from eBay CS that 'there is no way the defect can be removed, our tech team are working on it, and it should be sorted by August' (not a direct quote, but near enough).

So have the tech team earned this weeks wages by fixing this. Guaranteed they got their wages, and you are still sitting with that ridiculous defect.

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davewil1964 — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 09:55:51 GMT

If I believed cutting off my nose to spite my face was worthwhile, I MIGHT subscribe to your idea.

I don't so I won't.

The only real form of protest is to stop selling here. Which you are not advocating, so your 'voice' is a squeak, at best.

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cmcoins2000 — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 10:40:51 GMT

The intention of cutting off your nose to spite your face speaks volumes. You are very prolific - in typing. My 'squeak' as you so eruditely put it is an honest attempt to make an effort to make a 'difference'. Rather than going on & on & on about matters as it seems you have the time to I do not. I am totally willing to step up - put my money where my mouth should be & be counted. Jim Croce ...........Like the singin bird & the croakin toad. Sorry - your continual boring quote.

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davewil1964 — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 11:47:51 GMT

Sorry I don't subscribe to your BS.

Your Squeak will not make a difference, eBay don't care.

You are the one going on and on about things. Witness your prolific posts referring to this thread.

I put my money where my mouth is - I still sell on eBay.

Whilst I do not agree with a lot of their conditions, unfortunately eBay butters my bread.

My quote is 'If you're going my way I'll go with you'. If you choose to take other lyrics from the referenced song out of context, then that reflects on you.

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i-love-my-sheep — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 14:17:07 GMT

I don't understand how you as a person, having a protest and not selling for a few days, is going to change anything. Do you really think people are going to follow your lead? I can tell you now, they won't. EBay doesn't give a hoot if one or 2 sellers don't sell for a few days. There are millions of others who will continue to sell, increasing eBay's profit margin on an hourly basis.

You remind me of someone who decides to go vegetarian because it will stop the slaughter of animals. Nope, it's still going to happen.

Just because you want to stand up and be counted, doesn't mean the millions of other sellers do. Good luck in trying to single handedly bring down eBay on your own.....you're going to need it.

Are you going to contact eBay and tell them you are having your little protest? I bet it will make them run scared if you do. They will know then that they have to make lots of changes because one seller decides to have a protest. Pfft.

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qball28 — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 16:08:00 GMT

Ebay is very unfair for sellers where you have to walk on eggshells just not to get a negative, and $10.50 is even too much for buyers to pay ( they want everything for free) I'm not starting at 99 cents again.

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iamanark — Mon, 04 Aug 2014 22:57:07 GMT

Quote .... "My holiday Settings will be turned on - my items not seen - eBay will receive no income from me for this time"

Helen ... I'm with you

My holiday setting for both stores will be tuned "ON"

As for "cutting off one's nose to spite your face" ... that is absolutely wrong ... it is called a protest ... a peaceful protest, that if more people were less selfish, and joined it, might just help make positive changes for their fellow "members"

And as for "eBay butters my bread", I think you have that ace about ... you butter ebay's bread, and line the pockets of their shareholders (and now with the immoral FVF on postage, even more so)

And as for Joe Croce ... who is he, and yes, the quote is becoming very boring ... you should try and be a little more original and come up with something new

It is not over until the fat lady posts

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i-love-my-sheep — Tue, 05 Aug 2014 01:23:46 GMT

Why shouldn't the shareholders make money, that's why they bought shares. If it's that important, why don't you buy shares in eBay? Then you might be able to have a say, or at the very least, make a few extra bucks.

I still want to know how you are going to contact and convince millions of sellers worldwide to join your protest? Please tell me, because I really want to know. There are only a p00fteenth of sellers who visit these forums, are you going to go through every single listing and invite sellers to join your protest? Maybe get all their email addresses and send a bulk email? There are laws in this country that say you can't do that.

Enjoy your protest kiddies. If that's what makes you feel better about yourselves, go for it. Why don't you go and storm Parliament House? After all, everything that is wrong in the world is the fault of the current Australian Government at the time, so maybe having your 2 person silent protest there might see the changes you so desire.

The other option is, if you don't like the way eBay does things, leave. No-one is holding a gun to anyone's head to sell here. EBay wouldn't give 2 hoots whether you left and neither would any of the shareholders. It's not going to affect their dividends by even one cent.

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i-love-my-sheep — Tue, 05 Aug 2014 01:24:43 GMT

PS: your signature is getting rather old too. Maybe you should think about updating it occasionally.

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iamanark — Tue, 05 Aug 2014 02:30:35 GMT

Quote … “EBay wouldn't give 2 hoots whether you left and neither would any of the shareholders. It's not going to affect their dividends by even one cent”

Ah, Mrs Chook, that is where you are completely wrong

That is why there was a recent Board Room challenge to separate Paypal from Ebay

Admittedly it failed, but as many shareholders said .. We lost the battle but have not lost the war … and will continue their challenge !

The shareholders are so concerned about the way ebay is going and in the process dragging the good name of Paypal down

Paypal has the potential and ability to become the largest of their kind in the world, but its progress is being held back by being associated directly with ebay

So the Shareholders are concerned …

The loss of ebay in Japan was a major blow, and it is possible Germany may follow suit … there is a lot of dissent in many areas of the world .. our Kiwi cousins are another example

So, Mrs Chook, the shareholders are concerned, very concerned ! … (There are not Board Room Challenges for no reason)

It is not over until the fat lady posts

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cmcoins2000 — Tue, 05 Aug 2014 02:57:32 GMT

Kiddies - Indeed.

I was around when Israel became a State.

I was around in 1963 when JFK was assassinated.

I was around in 1969 when Jerome Grossman called for a General Strike.

This became the Vietnam Moratorium - one Lone Voice.

Perhaps you should spend more time seeing what is going on in the big world -

Academic researchers say they've uncovered a "security breach" and a "privacy flaw" on eBay due to the way the feedback system works.

"The eBay Feedback System as currently implemented has serious privacy flaws. When sellers leave feedback, buyers' purchase histories are exposed through no action of their own. In this paper, we describe and execute a series of attacks, leveraging the feedback system to reveal users' potentially sensitive purchases."

Etc, Etc, Etc,

I will have my 2 person protest - thank you iamanark - and - I really don't give 2 hoots what you think on the matter.

So go feed the chooks.

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davewil1964 — Tue, 05 Aug 2014 08:24:03 GMT

So we have now got to the point where you admit you are a one-person protest.

As most of us having been trying to tell you.

nark - if I thought your opinion relevant... Jim Croche was a brilliant singer/songwriter and I have no intention of changing my sig. Especially not to one as fatuous as yours.

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chameleon54 — Tue, 05 Aug 2014 10:42:06 GMT

@ilovemychooks wrote:

I still want to know how you are going to contact and convince millions of sellers worldwide to join your protest? Please tell me, because I really want to know. There are only a p00fteenth of sellers who visit these forums, are you going to go through every single listing and invite sellers to join your protest? Maybe get all their email addresses and send a bulk email? There are laws in this country that say you can't do that.

I hear you can buy ALL of ebays seller email addresses from hackers, going cheap ........OOPS, SORRY, wasnt that helpfull ?

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lousbloomingarden — Tue, 05 Aug 2014 11:01:09 GMT

Good onya Helen. Its true your SQUEEK! wont make a diffence but MANY squeeks would . Im all for joining the squeeks. When I was a union delegate in the 70s all us squeeks got together and over powered a Lion.

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cmcoins2000 — Tue, 05 Aug 2014 22:00:15 GMT

The biggest problem I have selling this way (eBay) is - people do not read.

I have customers who email saying the item was not 'as big' as they thought or it was 'gold' not 'silver'.

All of this can be found in my description.

You have arrived at the point where I admit I am a one-person protest - read again I think Lone Voice says it all.

'As most of us have been trying to tell you' - that would be all two.

You weren't asked in any way to change your signature especially not to one as 'fatuous', 'purposeless' as mine.

You do not find my opinion relevant but you can't help sticking your 2 cents worth to say nothing.

Given my era Jim Croce (spelt correctly) was a part of my 20's and very much admired.

Still looking for my signature - in fact I cannot even remember what it was - never having used one.

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cmcoins2000 — Tue, 05 Aug 2014 22:11:16 GMT

Thank you.

Though I have never been a member of a union I think 'Solidarity Squeeks' to the same tune would work.