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Scam seller alert !

suzihead — Fri, 16 Jan 2015 14:13:39 GMT

I found several electronic items listed under "go carts" ...Video projectors, car audio, go-pro's, home security packages etc. Stuff that shouldn't be there. These items also pop up if you do an all categories search for them. They are usually incredibly cheap, around AU$20 to AU$40 buy it now. Not long after you pay for the item (PayPal only) the listing simply disappears, and 'item removed' pops up in its place. eBay sends a message MC999 item removed. If you try to contact the seller (can't use the listing cause its missing) you have to hope you've still got the PayPal emails. When contact seller is found, it says "seller is no longer a registered user." Items never existed from the start. But a week later, the exact same listing appears, with a different seller. Try a search in "go cart" and if you find items that don't belong there, watch the listing and see what happens.
If it looks to good to be true, then it probably is

Re: Scam seller alert !

maranock — Fri, 16 Jan 2015 18:45:28 GMT

Some of us are constanty reporting these scam listings which is why they are being removed regularly. If someone purchases these 'too good to be true' items then Ebay lets you know the listing has been removed you just start a dispute (you may need to insist as the items in this catagory have no protections) to get your money back. It is easy but takes a little time. You don't need the Paypal emails, just find the transation directly in your Paypal account.

It is annoying that Eaby don't keep on top of these listings but that is just how it goes.

Unfortunately, the people who fall for these scams don't usually read these forums until it is too late.

Re: Scam seller alert !

go-tazz — Fri, 16 Jan 2015 20:55:15 GMT

They have been on going for months and combined they have "sold" well over $50,000 worth of items.

Unfortunately Trust & Safety aren't as active as they used to be and some of these can take weeks to be

removed.

171610298226 has the negatives hitting hard now,(they where first reported in early December).

321603982273 this one was slightly different and was reported in early November.

171625356180 reported last month but items weren't removed.

281556389293 reported last month but items weren't removed.

Each of the ones above have been reported numerous times now.

151553305076 reported earlier this week but items are still up.

261730949972 reported earlier this week but items are still up.

So it's seems to be losing battle and eBay have assisted them by implementing hidden bidders so that the

buyers can't be warned or informed on how to get their money back from Paypal.

As it stands when a buyer tries to open a claim via PP they are told their is no PP protection in go-carts or

pocket bikes so they can't make a claim.

Only some buyer know that they can get their money back by ringing PP and speaking to a supervisor,(the

majority will just believe they have been ripped off).

There hasn't been anyone that has come to the boards to say that they received their money back after being

scammed so no one knows whether they get refunded after the scammer has been NARU'd.

Re: Scam seller alert !

horizon1907 — Fri, 16 Jan 2015 21:23:13 GMT

go-tazz, as mentioned T & S seem to be so slow at removing these Rorts. It's now basically up to other users to report this. We are not ebay police. Why should we be doing their job, when they sit on their grubby hands & do zilch about it. ebay is RIFE with scams. Surely ebay can implement some sort of screening process when the listing is 1st uploaded. IMO This WILL bring ebay crashing down in the not to distant future and they have only themseles to blame.

Re: Scam seller alert !

padi*0409 — Fri, 16 Jan 2015 21:59:13 GMT

@go-tazz wrote:

As it stands when a buyer tries to open a claim via PP they are told their is no PP protection in go-carts or

pocket bikes so they can't make a claim.

Only some buyer know that they can get their money back by ringing PP and speaking to a supervisor,(the

majority will just believe they have been ripped off).

There hasn't been anyone that has come to the boards to say that they received their money back after being

scammed so no one knows whether they get refunded after the scammer has been NARU'd.

Hi Taz, I purchased one of them so that I could put in a formal report through the completed listing, eBay did then NARU the seller.

As you said before, as it was listed in the incorrect category no dispute could be opened by the normal process, so it took a phonecall to Paypal to get the case opened and after 10 days I got my money back.

But you are very likely to be correct in that new/inexperienced buyers wouldn't know to do that and would put it down to being ripped off - then probably tell all their mates how bad eBay is, and turn them off using the platform as well.

eBay is obviously aware of these seller's practices in listing in the incorrect categories, but refuses to police those categories or take notice of members reports and stop the scammers before they rip people off.

FOR SHAME EBAY.....................

Re: Scam seller alert !

i-love-my-sheep — Fri, 16 Jan 2015 22:34:23 GMT

When I've looked at these listings to report them, I'd take a guess and say that 80% of the buyers are low feedback buyers, so wouldn't know that they need to ring PayPal to get a refund. They write it off to bad luck and the scammer gets to keep the money. I believe that there should be an automatic refund to buyers who are caught by these scammers. It might slow them up a bit.

I've also noticed with these scammers that they recruit some of their friends to 'buy' cheap items to get their feedback high enough whereby they don't have the PayPal funds hold thing to worry about. I've noticed that the most common 'cheap' item their mates buy are 'minions' (I have no idea what a minion is, but most of them have them in their feedback).

Re: Scam seller alert !

i-love-my-sheep — Fri, 16 Jan 2015 22:42:35 GMT

I forgot to mention that they are now branching out with their categories. Now you see them pop up in trailers and truck, commercial vehicles. Both also have no buyer protection.

There was another seller last week that ended up with 41 listings. I never got around to reporting those, but they are now NARU.

Here's one from the trucks category, 121542848917....and another 361183091547

Re: Scam seller alert !

i-love-my-sheep — Fri, 16 Jan 2015 22:48:46 GMT

Yet another fake Makita. Already 39 sold 151553305076

Re: Scam seller alert !

i-love-my-sheep — Sat, 17 Jan 2015 02:44:17 GMT

One seller NARU, 5 more to go. They're taking their sweet time to remove them this time. 3 fake Makitas are selling like hotcakes.

Re: Scam seller alert !

suzihead — Sun, 18 Jan 2015 06:06:00 GMT

Yeah thanks for that. I just can't believe the exact same listings have re-appeared in the same category, but with a different seller Id, and ebay 'powers that be' haven't removed them. I bet if you look under go carts, they'll be there, ready to rip off another buyer.
I just checked. And YES, there they are.

Re: Scam seller alert !

suzihead — Sun, 18 Jan 2015 06:21:01 GMT

Need to get federal fraud cops onto it. Australian ebayers are sending thousands of dirty dollars to these scammers. I'm reluctant to buy anything off ebay these days. I just stick to the sellers I know. I've also heard of this scenario being used on other sites like Alibaba and DH Gate. Don't know if it's true or not. What happened to the good ol' days? Get onto it ebay.... Sort these thieves out!

Re: Scam seller alert !

i-love-my-sheep — Sun, 18 Jan 2015 06:55:39 GMT

All the ones that were there yesterday were reported and all but one lot have now been removed. They seem reluctant to end these ones for some reason 121542846261 has seven listings. I haven't rechecked those categories today yet. At least the fake Makitas are gone, but sadly, over 100 (combined over 3 sellers) were sold, so that's a LOT of money that won't be refunded to the buyers.

2 of the accounts were NARU'd. The hacked ones were given back to the original owner and any associated feedback was removed. I assumed they were given back to the owners because the names were changed back to the original name, as were the countries.

Re: Scam seller alert !

i-love-my-sheep — Sun, 18 Jan 2015 07:13:00 GMT

Now for todays new additions!

111576514948 - 12 listings for costumes in pocket bikes and go-karts.

301491065006 - 2 listings in pocket bikes.

261738260508 - 16 listings in pocket bikes for costumes and evening gowns.

At this stage, there is only the one mentioned above (121542846261) in trucks, commerical vehicles and at the moment, the trailers category is clean.

The more people that report the scam listings, the more likely eBay are to remove them.

Re: Scam seller alert !

twyngwyn — Sun, 18 Jan 2015 07:31:25 GMT

111576516843...Chinese Mickey Mouse Costumes.....and heaps more listings

Re: Scam seller alert !

i-love-my-sheep — Sun, 18 Jan 2015 08:25:01 GMT

@twyngwyn wrote:
111576516843...Chinese Mickey Mouse Costumes.....and heaps more listings

That's one of the sellers I mentioned above. I find it interesting that their previous listings were in the correct category (costumes), but now they've put them in a category with no buyer protection. Even the one that the buyer left the negative for was in the correct category. I can understand maybe getting a new listing mixed up, but ALL of them? In a category with no buyer protection? Sounds fishy to me.

Does anyone know if listing fees or FVF's are cheaper in the car categories?

Re: Scam seller alert !

suzihead — Sun, 18 Jan 2015 08:42:15 GMT

Not sure. But there's Sesame Street character
Outfits just popped up in go cart category. I think they're hijacking accounts. Some of these listings have decent background history.

Re: Scam seller alert !

suzihead — Sun, 18 Jan 2015 09:07:02 GMT

G'day you love your sheep.
That listing you posted earlier
121542846261
For sale by: Dealer
Type of title: Finance owing, Encumbered.
Still there. Must have been a really expensive car stereo gps gadget.

Re: Scam seller alert !

vaportizing1 — Sun, 18 Jan 2015 12:44:43 GMT

Is there any way to scam the scammer?

Buy all his items from Mickey mouse suits to beautiful chiffon dresses.. Buy ???...pay?

Looking at the bids on these items. Some unlucky GENUINE ebayers are about to pay a lot for nothing.

Losing there faith in legitimate sellers. just a thought!

Re: Scam seller alert !

i-love-my-sheep — Sun, 18 Jan 2015 13:25:56 GMT

@vaportizing1 wrote:

Is there any way to scam the scammer?

I guess one way to do it would be to create a new account on your phone, when it's not connected to your home network (so it has a different IP address), Then buy the full quantity of everything and then not pay. So what if eBay shuts the account down, just open a new one, rinse and repeat!

Re: Scam seller alert !

phantomchris1984 — Mon, 19 Jan 2015 15:48:21 GMT

so whats the deal of them puting under wrong category, less money back protection!!