topic Re: Interesting Description in Selling

Interesting Description

i-love-my-sheep — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 10:51:40 GMT

Seems the 21 day hold is getting to people. Check the description of this listing 261803716453.

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lyndal1838 — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 11:36:28 GMT

While I can understand his frustration, he is probably not doing himself any favours. Excuses for not using paypal usually mean scammer.

The avarage buyer who does not come to the boards would probably not have a clue what he is talking about.

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joethenuts — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 11:49:47 GMT

to lyndal you have been around for a while dont you have to have paypal as one of your payment options is he allowed to write dont pay with paypal

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imastawka — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 11:55:39 GMT

Joe, seller has paypal listed as an option.

If you want to bid he can't stop you from paying by paypal though

He may prefer bank deposit, but he may not get it

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joethenuts — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 11:59:53 GMT

fair enough

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davewil1964 — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 12:35:56 GMT

@joethenuts wrote:
to lyndal you have been around for a while dont you have to have paypal as one of your payment options is he allowed to write dont pay with paypal

Lyndal is a buyer. She does know most of the pitfalls, however.

But any of the 3 'safe' payment options are acceptable to eBay.

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lyndal1838 — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 13:00:29 GMT

@joethenuts wrote:
to lyndal you have been around for a while dont you have to have paypal as one of your payment options is he allowed to write dont pay with paypal

As a seller he must have one of the three ebay approved safe payment methods....paypal, Paymate or Merchant Credit facility. That seller has paypal listed but states in the body of listing that he will not accept it.

He should not say this....the only time it is acceptable to ask buyers not to use paypal is when it is a pickup item. Then he can say that cash is preferred on pickup.

As I said in my first post.....asking buyers to use bank deposit because your paypal account is not working is one of the signs that the seller is a scammer.

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imastawka — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 13:09:43 GMT

Seller doesn't actually say in the listing they won't accept paypal

Says bank deposit is preferred.

I prefer direct deposit please I will send you my bank details if you win the auction ,,if you intend to use paypal please dont bid ,as they take 21 days to pay ,***happy bidding ***

I've struck sellers before who state this. Doesn't faze me.

I pay paypal and so far have not had a problem

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lyndal1838 — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 13:21:57 GMT

I would have thought that by saying not to bid if you were going to use paypal the seller was in effect saying he would not accept it.....all in the way you interpret it I suppose.

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evil_akuma_2002 — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 21:28:33 GMT

@lyndal1838 wrote:
I would have thought that by saying not to bid if you were going to use paypal the seller was in effect saying he would not accept it.....all in the way you interpret it I suppose.

You really have to be a seller to understand the frustration that comes from paypal's 21 day hold - many small sellers use ebay as a means of raising extra cash in times of need, and to have them freeze your cash for what constitutes nearly one month can be extremely difficult!

Those of us who've been here for some time have no such problems, but I for one have experienced some VERY hard times in the past, and started using ebay myself purely to help put food on my family's table. A 21-day hold on my cash would have caused insurmountable inconvenience - at the very least!

Hypothetically, the seller in question may well be facing legal or other action, and raising cash through ebay may well seem the best alternative.

They could also...

A. Try a weekend market, (needing cash to get a stall,

B. Try a newspaper ad, (also needing cash initially), or

C. Try a pawn shop, (although they give little value).

I know. I tried all of these when I was facing the wall, many years ago. Ebay was the best venue, but only if I could access my funds immediately after the sale - not nearly a month later.

Yes, I know that the seller can appeal the decision through FOS, but again, there's just anther burden that they may not need.

No, I think in all likelihood, they may be facing financial hardship, and cannot afford paypal's illegal tactics.

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whar_debb — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 23:37:44 GMT

Whilst his sales may not be as big as some sellers his feedback is all 100% positive.... The only scammer in this story is PAYPAL

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phorum_junkie* — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 23:57:57 GMT

A 21-day hold on my cash would have caused insurmountable inconvenience - at the very least!

How about the 'inconvenience' of a buyer who is entitled to a refund but has to wait much longer if there is not enough in their Paypal account to cover the payment?

What about the inconvenience to Paypal who have to pay the refund out if there are not enough funds in the seller's Paypal or bank account to cover it and they have to chase up payment?

In every case where the seller has complained to the Ombudsman their funds have been released so if anyone is in financial hardship then the inconvenience of a couple of minutes initiating the complaint must surely be well worth it.

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joethenuts — Sun, 15 Mar 2015 00:07:03 GMT

perfectly said junkie ,look everywhere there are rules like it or not except them or go elsewear ,if i go to your house and light up a cig

and you say sorry my house is smoke free thats your rules and if i wont to stay tere i have got to butt out my cig.

we all dont like all the rules but if we are going to use there products then you have to abide by them ,rules get changed when people abuse them and thats why ebay has put a fee on mailing too many people abuse the system selling an item for $1 and charging $79 delivery well come on mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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iamanark — Sun, 15 Mar 2015 00:30:12 GMT

Quote: "Excuses for not using paypal usually mean scammer"
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So True
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Except the scammer is:
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Paypal
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An unethical, morally bankrupt company
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Instigate rules that are in contravention of Australian Consumer Laws
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As soon as someone complains to the FOS
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They run like a dog with their tail between their legs
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The “faithful” seem to forget that the boss was
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SACKED
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By the shareholders
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I reiterate:
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Sacked by the eBay/Paypal Board due to his incompetent running of the company
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Talk about being “in denial”
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Yet the “faithful” still try and defend the actions of someone who was sacked by the shareholders !
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It is not over until the Fat Ladies post

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whar_debb — Sun, 15 Mar 2015 00:50:22 GMT

Rules are one thing but holding people to ransom to use their product is another .....You cant list an item unless you include PayPal as a payment method, there are many other safe methods of payment that don't constitute holding your money for 21 days. Just imagine the out cry if every other banking institution started holding funds for 21 days.
I do prefer bank deposit and while I have a freedom of choice as with buyers to use PayPal or bank deposit, preferring bank deposit does not make me a scammer, simply means less double dipping fees.
I have also experienced many buyers that also prefer and request bank deposit on my older ID accounts.
Its a shame that a few scammers make it sad for the honest hard working people that provide a great service.

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joethenuts — Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:02:23 GMT

buyers have the option of how to pay they are not held ransom to use paypal but if you use paypal thats there policy its simple

what if somebody on there goods for sale say dont buy from whar-debb you just cant say that

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whar_debb — Sun, 15 Mar 2015 02:48:29 GMT

Well stated agree with you totally

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whar_debb — Sun, 15 Mar 2015 03:19:37 GMT

Off course buyers have the option to choose how they want to pay.
It is the sellers being held to ransom.... have you tried to list an item without using PayPal as an option ... RULES you don't get to list without using PayPal as an option and that is fine I will follow policy because I want to sell on eBay. I love eBay I have no complaints at all with the platform eBay have served me well for many years.
I sell on many different platforms and have never had to use PayPal if I don't choose to.
Not wanting to have PayPal as my choice of payment does not instantly classify me as a scammer, it quite simply means I'm not going on sit here like a good Lemming and pretend that the unscrupulous behavior of this so called money institution that holds my monies for their financial interest bearing gains is ok, It is not ok. My hold came out of no where the month of December Christmas sales are up and money I needed for my family for Christmas.... but no that didn't happen my hard earned money was sitting in someone else's account as with many others earning a handsome sum.... Why ????? because after 8 years of selling with a clean slate I just may be a scammer.
So yes I can say that

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2106greencat — Sun, 15 Mar 2015 03:50:36 GMT

Whatever the argument - this new seller will not be around for long.

A bidder can bid and the seller has no idea how they intend to pay until the item is won.

If the buyer pays via paypal, the seller MUST accept this and send the item, so if this newby seller refunds the buyer and cancels the sale then I imagine they are going to end up with one hell of a lot of BIG BOLD RED dots from any buyer unlucky enough to deal with them.

Old story, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen - eBay and paypal protocol will trump ANY so called terms a seller chooses to add to the listing.

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whar_debb — Sun, 15 Mar 2015 03:58:06 GMT

Very True