Harvey Norman Tax Time!!

Two days to go. I hope you're looking forward to more $$$ to our Kakistocratic government. I believe Australian's love overregulation. Enjoy. x Smiley LOL

 

Thank these fellas.

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But a lot of retailers wanted this to be implemented. Lobbying is only effective if it has widespread support on both sides.
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Tall poppy, Digi, tall poppy.

Some Australians have have to blame someone for anything that happens.

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well my local town lost its last true hobby store .  even though was small and not heaps of stock it is gone .

Im not even remote ,  just on an island Tassie

 

What about people that live in King Island  ,   or remote inland places in the centre of manland australia where these retailer have no stores  ???  F them pay tax on eventhng even it you can buy it from us...

 

So these retailers make us come to their stores that only carry the brands that they can profit from the most.

Or you drive there and they are sold out   ect.  ect.

 

 

 

GST was and is the worst type of tax every made worldwide as it policing and effects are complete BS  !!!!!

Normal income tax was a way better system

GST is a snake eating its own tail syndrome .        just look at WA and Tassie fighting for GST from the federal government every year

 

Obvioulsy retailers wanted it.

They buy in bulk

Online buyers get slugged with higher postage costs generally and if the GST is on postage also that compounds it

 

Why do we need to pay for massive building rates and all the siht that goes with brick and motor stores when there is online ....

 

Look at aamzon where to seller ships all items to amazon centre and then when it ships they ship it at a cheaper rate due to volume , which the individual cant do

 

Dont make me go on about it and the monopoly it creates 

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you always love to argue lyndal 1838

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Weren't there sales taxes that were abolished when the GST was introduced, though? If I recall correctly, the removal of those taxes resulted in some things being cheaper, other things being more expensive post-GST. 

 

I can't really think of a single person that enjoys paying more for the things they buy, but realistically, if the government wants the revenue, they would have got it by increasing or expanding the sales taxes that were previously in existance, or by doing what they did and introducing a GST instead.

 

I can't really comment in a genuinely informed manner on the situation with the hobby store you mention because I really don't know the factors that contributed to their closure other than what you have mentioned, but just to be honest, and in no way intending to be disrespectful, on the surface it doesn't sound like the best recipe (i.e. small B&M store, in a specialised field, not a lot of stock; and I'm just speaking as someone who also runs a small, specialised hobby store, but operating online only). 

 

The face of retail has changed in incredibly vast amounts in the last decade alone. Once upon a time, when I wanted some movie merch that never would have been imported here by an Aussie retailer, I had to send away to Hong Kong for a mail order catalogue, wait for it to arrive in the mail, fill out an order page, go to my local post office and purchase a money order in USD, send all that back to Hong Kong, and then wait for a few months for the things I ordered to arrive. I only ever really did that once, but I could do it every single day now, without a second thought. Tax revenue that could once be counted on purely because people couldn't do what we can now, which is to just turn on a computer, click some buttons in the space of a few minutes, and have products on the way, has surely been diminishing as online, overseas purchases increased. If we want to continue to have this option at our fingertips, some concessions have to be made, whether we like it or not. 

 

People talk about having to pay more - yeah, maybe in comparison to the prices we've been enjoying from online overseas retailers in just the last few years, but I bet it's still less than everyone was paying before that was a possibility, and at least this way, some money remains in the country, which has it's own benefits even if it's not one's hip pocket in the moment. 

 

I'm prepared for there to be accusations and insults coming my way from trying to put the situation in a broader perspective, of course, but I feel it's worth mentioning I could well be significantly impacted by this change as a small business owner. I am not registered to collect GST, and all of my imports have been under the $1k threshold, thus providing me with an advantage over bigger businesses who do have to pay / charge GST on imports and sales, but can access bigger bulk discounts by volume purchases. However, now my stock imports will attract GST no matter what, which will require an increase to prices, and in turn may push me over the threshold where I will be required to collect GST, thus increasing my prices even more and potentially having a noticeably negative affect on my sales. I am not thrilled about this prospect, but I am capable of looking beyond my own purse strings, as well. 

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With the internet, retail began to change forever... The genie is out of the bottle, and the landscape has changed. We're never going to get the genie back into the bottle, and inevitably there will be both advantages and disadvantages to this.

 

Taxes are the inevitable result of civilisation and centralisation. I can't logically object to it, except where the government fails to provide resources for people - particularly in the areas of health and education (two of my bugbears about which I'm capable of mounting a soapbox and giving forth in impassioned rhetoric at length).

 

As an international buyer, I am quick to see the advantages of being able to buy from overseas merchants, even as I recognise that this has destroyed some Australian businesses (which I deplore). I can now buy direct from German sellers, Italian sellers, Russian sellers, Chinese sellers, UK sellers, Spanish sellers, etc. Dutch sellers are still harder to purchase from (and I'm looking for ways around that), and Danish sellers are also often a little more work (as quite a few of them don't accept credit card payments, so I had to find a way of paying into their bank account which didn't involve international bank transfer fees all the time - God bless XE!)

 

My CD buying pattern has changed dramatically. Instead of frequently going to music stores which now rarely, if ever, have the sort of discs I want, I am subscribed to music labels such as Hyperion, Naxos,etc., and I order whatever takes my fancy as soon as it's released. I also buy from other online stores (the actual discs rather than downloadables). The only classical music shops in Melbourne are Readings, the ABC shops (pathetic range)... I can't think of any others. Discurio closed, then Thomas'... No more meeting fellow music-lovers in shops, no more specialists phoning me with "We've got a CD in that I think you'll love"... I miss that.

 

Books - well, I try to buy from Australian sellers as much as possible. But if it's a case of "We don't stock that; we'll have to order it in", I will now tend to find it online myself and order it. I remember ordering a Russian historical dictionary some years ago (before online purchasing really took off) and paying something like $140 for it as a special order. I could get hold of that today ("as new" condition) for $20 US plus postage. Times have definitely changed.

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99% of my overseas purchases are items not sold in Australia.
100% of my purchases are items not sold by Gerry Harvey
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@marwi5023 wrote:
99% of my overseas purchases are items not sold in Australia.


Some of the reason for that could be because how easily accessible those items are now to the average consumer, though. I know it won't always be the case (many of the purchases I make from overseas sellers are independent artists, so I wouldn't have even heard of them, much less had access to their releases if it were not for the internet, and there's little to no chance a retail outlet would have imported them), but even just speaking for myself, there are a lot of things I won't bother stocking in my own shop because I can't even get them at a wholesale price that would allow me to compete with an overseas seller's price on the same item, which is readily accessible to anyone - not enough to counter with the appeal of buying locally, receiving quickly etc. *

 

There are a lot of local businesses that would once have thrived because they provided items that aren't easily accessible to the general public, now even the ones that are still around don't bother stocking a lot of those products, and if they make them available, they're "special order" (basically, they see if they can get it after they sell it to you). 

 

 

 

 

*I'm not complaining about this, though, as a seller. It just means I have to try and curate a more unique collection of items in my shop. 

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Mr Norman filled the pockets of our dear leaders to bring in this disaster of a tax/

 

 

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Did you lobby as well digikal? I bet you're so happy now.
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